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On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 21:38:56 GMT,

Tim Dunne said:

If you're stupid enough to venture out without lights you deserve it - 30
quid isn't a fine it's a joke.

That rather depends on how much money you've got. I suspect for most
students 30GBP isn't a joke.

Tim.

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That rather depends on how much money you've got. I suspect for most
students 30GBP isn't a joke.

No, it's a night out. Lights are cheaper. QED.

Tim

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On Nov 3, 9:20 am, JNugent <[email hidden]>

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Paul Boyd said:

On 02/11/2007 17:17, JNugent said,

Quoted message said:

> Fines are supposed to be painful (for the average person). There is
> no point in them otherwise. I doubt whether £30 *is* painful (enough)
> to the affluent group who ride bicycles

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The catch with that theory is that the more affluent groups who ride
bicycles are the type who not only have lights, but have the best and
brightest lights available.

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The type of cyclist that tends not to have lights are the more average
people who use a bike purely as a means of getting from one place to
another cheaper than buses and for them perhaps a £30 fine is painful.
Not painful enough though...

I think that's what I said.

Do you think the typical speeding fine is a sufficient deterrent?

Clearly not, since speeding is endemic.

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Surely the bulk of the justice system is based on Do The Crime, Serve
The Time, without some arbitrary extra Mea Culpa Promise Not To Do It
Again step at the end.

Not necessarily. I believe, for example, that you're unlikely to be
released from a life prison sentence unless you demonstrate remorse.

Worse than that. You cannot be released until you accept that you were
guilty of the crime, /and/ show remorse. You also don't get remission on
lesser sentences unless you accept that you were guilty. Which, if you're
not guilty, is extremely tough.

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Tim Woodall said:

for most students 30GBP isn't a joke.

For most students 30GBP is two mobile phone topups?

-dan

On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 10:56:29 +0000 someone who may be Simon Brooke
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You cannot be released until you accept that you were
guilty of the crime, /and/ show remorse. You also don't get remission on
lesser sentences unless you accept that you were guilty. Which, if you're
not guilty, is extremely tough.

It is a deliberate policy, designed to prevent too many false
convictions being exposed. It also teaches honest people that it is
best to lie. All very silly.

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On 3 Nov, 00:19, JNugent <[email hidden]>

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<Gets calculator> that would be 300% then.

Arithmetic isn't your long suit, then?

If I am going to write an arsy post, I should at least make sure I am
correct.

I apologise with all due humility.

raisethe said:

JNugent <[email hidden]> wrote:

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<Gets calculator> that would be 300% then.

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Arithmetic isn't your long suit, then?

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If I am going to write an arsy post, I should at least make sure I am
correct.
I apologise with all due humility.

Fair enough. It wasn't a big deal.

raisethe said:

On 3 Nov, 00:19, JNugent <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

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<Gets calculator> that would be 300% then.

Arithmetic isn't your long suit, then?

If I am going to write an arsy post, I should at least make sure I am
correct.

I apologise with all due humility.

How dare you do such a thing? This is Usenet. No-one is allowed to
apologise. ;-)

Cheers,
Luke

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David Martin said:

Having just got back from the centre of cambridge it was surprising
how many people were riding without lights.

But, having said that, they were perfectly visible. I'd rather the
police took action against those that are killing and injuring through
not paying enough attention or travellign too fast.

I have my fingers crossed that the police will do so in one case quite
soon. I came close to being mown down on a zebra crossing (while I was
walking through town) on Saturday by a scooter rider on a road open only
to buses, taxis and bicycles. Fortunately, I have a number of witnesses.

Cheers,
Luke

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Do you think the typical speeding fine is a sufficient deterrent?

Yes. I could not afford to pay it on a regular basis and the effect it
had on my insurance premiums has been huge.

What fails to deter people is the ease with which they can often avoid
being caught.

Cheers,
Luke

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On 4 Nov, 18:42, [email hidden] (Ekul Namsob)

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raisethe said:

On 3 Nov, 00:19, JNugent <[email hidden]>
wrote:

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> <Gets calculator> that would be 300% then.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Arithmetic isn't your long suit, then?

Quoted message said:

If I am going to write an arsy post, I should at least make sure I am
correct.

Quoted message said:

I apologise with all due humility.

How dare you do such a thing? This is Usenet. No-one is allowed to
apologise. ;-)

Cheers,
Luke

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It didn't feel right. I won't do it again.

Sorry.

Ekul Namsob said:

David Martin said:

Having just got back from the centre of cambridge it was surprising
how many people were riding without lights.

But, having said that, they were perfectly visible. I'd rather the
police took action against those that are killing and injuring through
not paying enough attention or travellign too fast.

I have my fingers crossed that the police will do so in one case quite
soon. I came close to being mown down on a zebra crossing (while I was
walking through town) on Saturday by a scooter rider on a road open only
to buses, taxis and bicycles. Fortunately, I have a number of witnesses.

Even more fortunately, the police intend to bring a case of dangerous
driving against the individual in question.

Luke

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exile in Lancashire <http://www.shrimper.org.uk>

Ekul Namsob said:

Ekul Namsob said:

David Martin said:

Having just got back from the centre of cambridge it was surprising
how many people were riding without lights.

But, having said that, they were perfectly visible. I'd rather the
police took action against those that are killing and injuring through
not paying enough attention or travellign too fast.

I have my fingers crossed that the police will do so in one case quite
soon. I came close to being mown down on a zebra crossing (while I was
walking through town) on Saturday by a scooter rider on a road open only
to buses, taxis and bicycles. Fortunately, I have a number of witnesses.

Even more fortunately, the police intend to bring a case of dangerous
driving against the individual in question.

Luke

good.

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