vortex recumbent

Quoted message said:

Ryan Cousineau said:

Oh, and I remembered it too late for my last response,

[email hidden] wrote:
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Quoted message said:

Nazi

-snip-

OK, move along, nothing to see here.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

In article <[email hidden]>,

A Muzi said:

Quoted message said:

Ryan Cousineau said:

Oh, and I remembered it too late for my last response,

[email hidden] wrote:
-snip-

Quoted message said:

Nazi

-snip-

OK, move along, nothing to see here.

Dude! That was, by far, the least bizarre part of the message. I mean,
at some point you almost expected that.

--
Ryan Cousineau [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com/
"My scenarios may give the impression I could be an excellent crook.
Not true - I am a talented lawyer." - Sandy in rec.bicycles.racing

In article
<[email hidden]>,
"[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> wrote:

I was having a pretty grumpy day until I sat down on my couch to eat
some chicken soup and absorb some Usenet.

I'd just like to thank you for the following, which put a smile on my
face and reminded me how much fun adding a little surrealism to life
could be.

Your insanity is charming and has brought some much-desired cheer to my
day

[it is at this point a smarter, kinder RjC would leave off...]

And I want you to know that when we get the New World Order fully
operational, I'll put in a good word for you so that you get left on the
"DO NOT STERILIZE" list, and I'll do my best to see that you get light
duties in the oxygen mines.

Share & Enjoy,

Quoted message said:

Ryan Cousineau said:

Oh, and I remembered it too late for my last response,

No I think you still have some time to create a decent response. This
wasn't it tho.

I'm refuting your crackpot claim by insulting you. Insults are good
science. You said so yourself.

You didn't like it to be called a fascistic scientist?

Why not Ryan you little Nazi?

But your condescending behaviour really qualifies as such.

definition of crackpot:
A person regarded as strange, eccentric, or crazy: crazy,
eccentric, lunatic. Informal crank, loon, loony. Slang cuckoo, ding-a-
ling, dingbat, kook, nut, screwball, weirdie, weirdo. See wise/
foolish.

I think you got the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics confused with the Nazi
law for the Prevention of Hereditarily Diseased Offspring.

Here lets refresh that bookworm memory of yours.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_for_the_Prevention_of_Hereditarily_Diseased_O
ffspring#Operation_of_the_law
(1) Any person suffering from a hereditary disease may be rendered
incapable of procreation by means of a surgical operation
(sterilization), if the experience of medical science shows that it is
highly probable that his descendants would suffer from some serious
physical or mental hereditary defect.
(2) For the purposes of this law, any person will be considered as
hereditarily diseased who is suffering from any one of the following
diseases:-

(1) Congenital Mental Deficiency,
(2) Schizophrenia,
(3) Manic-Depressive Insanity,
(4) Hereditary Epilepsy,
(5) Hereditary Chorea (Huntington's),
(6) Hereditary Blindness,
(7) Hereditary Deafness,
(8) Any severe hereditary deformity.

(3) Any person suffering from severe alcoholism may be also
rendered incapable of procreation.

Lets give you the hard facts:

The moment you revert back to your pre-teen skool bully personality
you have closed the door on your source of information. You can either
laugh at people and call them crackpots OR you can ask them for
information.

You will never get both.

By picking the first you silence the source of information. By
behaving in such a way you have eliminated factors that could have led
you to the actual data. Your scientific method now evidently
eliminates it's own data before review.

Your type of scientists always do that. It's more the rule as the
exception. Must accept public slander if you want to share something.

GOOD SCIENCE!!!!

I'm just expanding the elimination drill to include your nonsense.

I'm not going to die because you are such ignorant [censored].

People are dieing SO no mercy for your lies.

Vehicles can be powered by wind.

Get used to it.

Oxygen deficiency cause most illness, disease. Without vital earth
element, human life, health would end.

Oxygen deficiency medical symptoms include: stomach acid, bacterial,
viral, parasitic infection, bronchial, chronic hostility, circulation
problems. Also depression, dizziness, fatigue, irrational behavior,
irritation, lowered immunity to colds, flu and infections, memory
loss, muscle aches, overall bodily weakness, poor digestion, tumors,
deposit buildups.

Ninety percent of our energy is created by oxygen. Our eliminative
processes consume larger amounts of oxygen to rid human bodies of
waste and toxins.

Scientists were stunned to discover that atmospheric oxygen level in
ancient times measured twice as high as that of today: We are being
more and more deprived of precious oxygen in the modern environment,
and it is causing serious health problems as numerous studies and
research on Oxygen Deficiency have proved.

Medical symptoms of oxygen deficiency include: acid stomach,
bacterial, viral and parasitic infections, bronchial problems, chronic
hostility, circulation problems, depression, dizziness, fatigue,
irrational behavior, irritation, lowered immunity to colds, flu and
infections, memory loss, muscle aches, overall bodily weakness, poor
digestion, tumors and deposit buildups.

These medical symptoms often begin with the vague feeling of
uneasiness. They progress over time, to full-blown illness and
disease. As stated in The Townsend Letter for Doctors: Cells
undergoing partial oxygen starvation send out tiny panic signals which
are collectively felt as the continuous vague sensation of uneasiness,
dread or disaster. This low level generalized warning tends to get
turned out as mere background noise by the individual experiencing it.
Or, it is attributed to other sources of uneasiness.

Cancer has only one prime cause. It is the replacement of normal
oxygen respiration of our bodies cells by an anaerobic (oxygen-
deficient) cell respiration. Dr. Otto Warburg. Two-time Nobel Laureate
Winner of the Nobel Prize For Cancer Research. etc etc etc
http://www.appliedozone.com/oxygen_deficiency_disease.html

Some guy mentioned he measured it for school in 1960. 30% it was.

So how is Ryan going to power his car when he doesn't have any oxygen
FOR HIS CAR!! Is this where the concentration camps come into the
picture?

Or will you just roll over and die with a sad face?

All this group can do is make stupid remarks?

You are like a farm with donkeys?

It's not scientific enough for you?

"The biggest mass extinction in Earth history some 251 million years
ago was preceded by elevated extinction rates before the main event
and was followed by a delayed recovery that lasted for millions of
years. New research by two University of Washington scientists
suggests that a sharp decline in atmospheric oxygen levels was likely
a major reason for both the elevated extinction rates and the very
slow recovery."
http://uwnews.org/article.asp?articleID=9592

But you don't have to worry.

Those in power didn't get there though nihilism and ignorance.

They are very realistic about global oxygen depletion.

The filthy rich will assassinate all of us in time. They might have to
move into their subterranean bunkers while designer diseases do all
the hard work. But they have room for millions of executives, there
are even subterranean shopping centers and office complexes.

Why do you think the world is changing into a totalitarian control
state?

It's about time the donkey farm woke up.

There might be more to life as entertainment between slavery.

This is a fun article on how Bush's grandfather helped [censored]'s rise
to power
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1312540,00.html

Now isn't that good entertainment?

You feel uber already?

:-)

--
Ryan Cousineau [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com/
"My scenarios may give the impression I could be an excellent crook.
Not true - I am a talented lawyer." - Sandy in rec.bicycles.racing

not only was that outburst on RC uncalled for but believe you me no
one reads that BS. If we did that when would we have time for
productive activities?

datakoll said:

not only was that outburst on RC uncalled for but believe you me no
one reads that BS.

Exactly my point.

Out of the blue RC was called names and ridiculed.

Not a very nice thing to do at all.

But it serves the purpose of explaining what branding people as quacks
actually does to the person.

RC can just run away from the discussion.

His "crackpot" scientist subjects don't enjoy this privilege when
treated like this in the context of their lives work.

Specially the "crackpots" who have no success and are attempting that
what is assumed to be impossible.

Look if a guy wants to climb the Himalaya in his wheelchair then I
wish him all the best.

I guess I could climb ahead of him and [censored] in his face.

That would sure teach him!

Then I could point and laugh at his misfortune.

But the reality is that if I so much as say something to the guy I'm
already influencing his results. If I can make him give up by pissing
in his face then that will be the main reason he gave up.

Not something else.

It's like taking a photo of a nesting bird with one foot in the nest
then complaining about the [censored] picture you got.

Quoted message said:

If we did that when would we have time for productive activities?

How would you define what is productive if you don't?

Is not the quality of your judgement of productivity developed by
first guessing then comparing the guess with the end result?

If you prevent or even influence the end result your judgement doesn't
enjoy any validation anymore.

So now you can all start acting normal again. :-)

All except me of course. lol

_____
http://gabydewilde.googlepages.com/vortex-recumbent
gabydewilde - vortex recumbent

Gaby De Wilde said:

RC can just run away from the discussion.

His "crackpot" scientist subjects don't enjoy this privilege when
treated like this in the context of their lives work.

Specially the "crackpots" who have no success and are attempting that
what is assumed to be impossible.

Look if a guy wants to climb the Himalaya in his wheelchair then I
wish him all the best.

I guess I could climb ahead of him and [censored] in his face.

That would sure teach him!

Then I could point and laugh at his misfortune.

But the reality is that if I so much as say something to the guy I'm
already influencing his results. If I can make him give up by pissing
in his face then that will be the main reason he gave up.

"If I have seen further it is by standing on the shoulders of giants."
- Sir Isaac Newton

When we innovate, we all stand on the shoulders of giants, among whom
we can count Sir Isaac. That is the only way by which we can make
progress. Every once in a long while, we may come across a freak like
Einstein who singlehandedly manages to revise problems in the rules
that have remained unsolved by all others. But even someone as
revolutionary as Einstein did not invalidate the principles that had
been identified and set forth by Newton hundreds of years before-- for
most people's purposes, Newton's laws still apply unerringly and
Einstein's will never matter in the least.

So when we see technical and scientific amateurs claiming that
Newton's laws somehow don't apply to their crude and unproven
inventions, they discredit themselves straightaway. Machines are
fundamentally Newtonian things. If they don't work according to
Newtonian principles, they simply don't work at all-- and it's doing
someone a favor to help end his waste of time and effort right
there.

No beleaguered genius has ever emerged from seclusion in his workshop
with a device that skirted Newton's physics or the laws of
thermodynamics. Many claimed to have done so, but they were all
mistaken or, more often, lying to attract gullible investors or even
just to attract attention. No global conspiracy by Big Oil is
necessary to explain their failures-- the villains are all far too
busy distorting markets and buying off politicians anyway.

The pattern is common enough to be mundane. When a small time tinker
claims to have accomplished the physically impossible, he's wrong.
One thousand point zero zero times out of a thousand, he's wrong.

Chalo

Ryan Cousineau said:

I was having a pretty grumpy day until I sat down on my couch to eat
some chicken soup and absorb some Usenet.

Tell me,

What kind of life did your chicken have before you ate it? Was it a
healthy happy chicken? You have any rational arguments for you and me
to treat those chickens this way? Should a chicken not be something
that makes you happy when you see one? Why would we put them in
torture chambers? Because it costs less coupons like this? Treating
them in some normal way would require faces of George Washington
printed on trees?

Those Asian sweatshop workers are not allowed to say anything bad
about their company. Iike having a 36 hour shift then 2 hours off then
8 hour shift then 8 hours "freedom" and starting from the beginning
again. They are not allowed to say all this bad things about the
company to our western production control squads. It makes perfect
sense to them.

We are the high class slaves of our fascist dictators. Every kind of
"something for nothing" has been replaced with slavery. Suggesting
elsewise makes the person a crackpot.

It's crackpot this, crackpot that... truthy?, conspiracytheorist?,
extreamist, moving on to terrorists.... Al kaydah! jajajajaja

I want to talk about my vortex recumbent idea here. With your
offending [censored] waxed onto the topic this becomes increasingly less
likely to happen.

As-if that little tuf tuf of yours could push my train of thought to
the scrapyard.

Let me put a swastika sticker on it for you.

ROFL!

We need bicycles to outperform cars in (real world) traffic.

Cars become increasingly less interesting by the second already.

Adding a windmill to a bicycle allows us to move the windmill up the
wind.

An awfully interesting situation arises that I've rather poorly jet
elaborately accomplished to document here.

http://gabydewilde.googlepages.com/negative-drag
gabydewilde - negative drag

Creating a vortex and surfing the apparent wind in it's concave from
both sides should make the wind propelled bicycle drop down the wind
like a stone.

If the vortex can be engineered to be beneficial the windmill
propelled bike can make it's own wind.

Rather then try to pull the whole object forwards by it's tires we
create a vacuum at the front and pressure at the backside.

The thought is worth being entertained.

I'm not likely to be it's ideal entertainer.

But to use the body of the vehicle to create pressure at the front and
vacuum at the rear (as in conventional methods) is obviously going to
backfire at the source of the energy.

You keep having to overcome the very energy you just put into the
system.

Accelerating into the wind increases the pressure and so does the
potential energy to be extracted. Sure just the drag converted into
propulsion is incapable of overcoming it's own drag.

Each unit of air we pump though the prop contains one unit of wind.

A body on a recumbent dramatically decreases the drag. The wheels have
good grip on the ground. The thing stands like a house.

Imagine cycling up the wind on a normal bike.

At 25 mhp the wind is enormous.

FEEL how much stronger the wind becomes when you accelerate into it.

Like a wize Chinese translator ones said " dont think FEEL. " ( $BM{>.N6(B )

Now think how much wind there is when you move down the wind with the
speed of the wind.

You are going 30 up the wind but you are getting drag as if it was 40.

you are going 40 up the wind but the drag is as if it was 50.

So if you have very bad gearing you will have to go really fast to
make it accelerate perpetually. (lol)

I do think a maximum speed is kind of desirable.

A bicycle should mainly use human power, but this power is used to
displace air so we cant escape from building some kind of land sailing
apparatus.

Thus therefore and so~on we need wheels at the other end of the
contraption.

Can the byproduct of our rotary apparatus be used to enhance the
aerodynamic profile?

Perhaps it can even create additional propulsion?

You are here to create an exact and accurate description on how to
build the device so that others skilled in the art to which it
appertains may be enabled to construct and deploy the same.

Eventually even the chicken and the nihilists will benefit. :-)

http://gabydewilde.googlepages.com/vortex-recumbent
gabydewilde - vortex recumbent

sailboat's move with hi pressure on one side and low on the other. If
drag is added to the low pressure, the low pressure gains pressure and
the boat slows.
there's no way to get that back.
there is a water pumping system generally similar to what you're
working over.

datakoll said:

drag is added to the low pressure.

Learn the lesson you noob.

That what you call the low pressure area is behind the rotor.

Drag is coming from the front.

Your suggestions are those of an imbecile.

Are you always this slow?

http://gabydewilde.googlepages.com/vortex-recumbent
gabydewilde - vortex recumbent

We need bicycles to outperform cars in (real world) traffic.

Cars become increasingly less interesting by the second already.

Adding a windmill to a bicycle allows us to move the windmill up the
wind.

An awfully interesting situation arises that I've rather poorly jet
elaborately accomplished to document here.

http://gabydewilde.googlepages.com/negative-drag
gabydewilde - negative drag

Creating a vortex and surfing the apparent wind in it's concave from
both sides should make the wind propelled bicycle drop down the wind
like a stone.

If the vortex can be engineered to be beneficial the windmill
propelled bike can make it's own wind.

Rather then try to pull the whole object forwards by it's tires we
create a vacuum at the front and pressure at the backside.

The thought is worth being entertained.

I'm not likely to be it's ideal entertainer.

But to use the body of the vehicle to create pressure at the front and
vacuum at the rear (as in conventional methods) is obviously going to
backfire at the source of the energy.

You keep having to overcome the very energy you just put into the
system.

Accelerating into the wind increases the pressure and so does the
potential energy to be extracted. Sure just the drag converted into
propulsion is incapable of overcoming it's own drag.

Each unit of air we pump though the prop contains one unit of wind.

A body on a recumbent dramatically decreases the drag. The wheels have
good grip on the ground. The thing stands like a house.

Imagine cycling up the wind on a normal bike.

At 25 mhp the wind is enormous.

FEEL how much stronger the wind becomes when you accelerate into it.

Like a wize Chinese translator ones said " dont think FEEL. " ( $BM{>.N6(B )

Now think how much wind there is when you move down the wind with the
speed of the wind.

You are going 30 up the wind but you are getting drag as if it was 40.

you are going 40 up the wind but the drag is as if it was 50.

So if you have very bad gearing you will have to go really fast to
make it accelerate perpetually. (lol)

I do think a maximum speed is kind of desirable.

A bicycle should mainly use human power, but this power is used to
displace air so we cant escape from building some kind of land sailing
apparatus.

Thus therefore and so~on we need wheels at the other end of the
contraption.

Can the byproduct of our rotary apparatus be used to enhance the
aerodynamic profile?

Perhaps it can even create additional propulsion?

You are here to create an exact and accurate description on how to
build the device so that others skilled in the art to which it
appertains may be enabled to construct and deploy the same.

Eventually even the nihilists will benefit. :-)

http://gabydewilde.googlepages.com/vortex-recumbent
gabydewilde - vortex recumbent

In article
<[email hidden]>,

Quoted post said:

Chalo said:

No beleaguered genius has ever emerged from seclusion in his workshop
with a device that skirted Newton's physics or the laws of thermodynamics.

So your definition of a genius is someone who doesn't own a workshop.

Yes lets create classes of people. FUN!

I'd just like to point out that this initial part of the response is
about the most creative misreading of (or perhaps, most complete failure
to understand) a point I have read on Usenet.

At least I think it is. But memory diminishes with time, and is
generally unreliable.

--
Ryan Cousineau [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com/
"My scenarios may give the impression I could be an excellent crook.
Not true - I am a talented lawyer." - Sandy in rec.bicycles.racing

Ryan Cousineau said:

In article
<[email hidden]>,

Quoted post said:

Chalo said:

No beleaguered genius has ever emerged from seclusion in his workshop
with a device that skirted Newton's physics or the laws of thermodynamics.

Quoted message said:

So your definition of a genius is someone who doesn't own a workshop.

Quoted message said:

Yes lets create classes of people. FUN!

I'd just like to point out that this initial part of the response is
about the most creative misreading of (or perhaps, most complete failure
to understand) a point I have read on Usenet.

It was by lack of better words, there is so much wrong with that
sentence I couldn't fit whole paragraphs about it into my stylish
editorial.

You can whine you can cry you can even talk about the invention? The
Dutch guy combined the bicycle with the windmill. We should be
scratching our head what took him so long?

The next idea was to use the apparent "wind" generated by the vortex
shaped by the rotary~deformed air stream in order to further propel
the vehicle as well as utilise that very same prop an additional time
to create a vacuum at the front of the vehicle.

I understand it's all going a bit to fast for you.

I think the turbine should create as little spin in the air as
possible but it can never be zero so we might as well use it as we
already suffer the extra turbulence that comes with it.

If vortexes are really 100% undesirable we could fix 2 rotors on the
thing and have em spin in opposite direction.

The second layer in the rotor would probably spin faster as the first.
lol

Load applied to the first rotor generates extra torque on the second.

hahahahaha

______
http://gabydewilde.googlepages.com/vortex-recumbent
gabydewilde - vortex recumbent

Chalo said:

.. No global conspiracy...

This is beginning to look look like that German guy who thought that what the rental MTB industry really needed to take off was a bike with a hydraulic drivetrain. He actually went as far as to accuse us of being directly employed by Shimano only to discredit him when we questioned the merits of his design...

On Dec 19, 11:36 am, dabac <dabac.31u...@no-

mx.forums.cyclingforums.com said:

And what kind of farce do we have here.

Hey, moron. You are littering my topic.

If I wanted to suppress your discussion yours would be exactly the
behaviour required for it.

spamming you Nazi [censored] is a perfect way to litter it.

So address the topic you brainless donkey.

Your lecture on your superiority ends right here.

GNAW! DRAG DOESN'T COMMIT TO THE AREA EXPOSED TO FORWARD MOTION.
drag happens anywhere, ask Toyota and Langley, the drag experts.

negative pressure areas on an airplane wing are physically free of
drag?
like you can distribute bumps over an eddy and not caws drag?

The negative pressure area on a saulboat does not ove forward?

NANO TECH? let's say nano waterwheels ARE the surface of an LSR
bicycle body.
how much power, let the generating equipment run at zero kelvin, what
level power does the body generate, how much more does the body weigh,
and how does this balance the 1/50 horsepower generated?

AS FOR WHO I AM? I am a very well known amateur scientist, tops in my
field, and one of the characters (amung others) in Atlas Shrugged as a
consequence of synchronicity, commenting on your material from mutual
interests in energy generation.

AND YOU ARE NOT!

that being said: happy trails!

[email hidden said:

"]On Dec 19, 11:36 am, dabac <dabac.31u...@no-

mx.forums.cyclingforums.com said:

And what kind of farce do we have here.

Hey, moron. You are littering my topic.

If I wanted to suppress your discussion yours would be exactly the
behaviour required for it.

spamming you Nazi [censored] is a perfect way to litter it.

So address the topic you brainless donkey.

Your lecture on your superiority ends right here.

Going OT is accepted, if not encouraged. Rudeness and frivolous Nazi accusations are neither. Since you've shown a penchant for dictionary diving earlier please show how the Nazi reference would make sense to anyone outside your own brain cavity.

There, I'm done feeding the troll.

Quoted message said:

retarded imbecile and a NAzi.
nazi moron.
Nazi
offending [censored]
little tuf tuf
swastika

Godwin.

Can we move on now?
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Quoted post said:

If vortexes are really 100% undesirable we could fix 2 rotors on the
thing and have em spin in opposite direction.

Right. Nothing like having an escape route. "If my initial idea is
full of [censored], we can double it and the [censored] will cancel out!"

You're cute when you're spewing and sputtering. Don't ever change.

R

Quoted message said:

vortexes

better than 'vortexi' you used last week but try 'vortices' if you must
persist in this.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

"dabac" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Chalo said:

.. No global conspiracy...

This is beginning to look look like that German guy who thought that
what the rental MTB industry really needed to take off was a bike with a
hydraulic drivetrain. He actually went as far as to accuse us of being
directly employed by Shimano only to discredit him when we questioned
the merits of his design...

Well, this could be a recumbent, if the guy'd only lie down in the truck
bed:
http://www.otherpower.com/
Kerry