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  1. I have a friend - 23 y.o. female, good health. Months ago she started
    occasionally vomiting after socially drinking alcohol (2-3 drinks in a
    reasonable amount of time). The frequency of this occuring increased,
    as well as the intensity of the vomiting. The last two times she
    drank, she vomited all night long, until she was dehydrated and too
    weak to get out of bed for over 12 hours. There was a point in time
    when she could drink without a problem, even in significantly greater
    volumes.

    Is this symptomatic of some medical condition or disease?

    Any advise would be appreciated. She has no medical insurance, and I
    am yet to convince her to go to the doctor.

  2. "Mike Chippendale" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    I have a friend - 23 y.o. female, good health. Months ago


    she started

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    occasionally vomiting after socially drinking alcohol (2-3


    drinks in a

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    reasonable amount of time). The frequency of this occuring


    increased,

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    as well as the intensity of the vomiting. The last two


    times she

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    drank, she vomited all night long, until she was dehydrated


    and too

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    weak to get out of bed for over 12 hours. There was a point


    in time

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    when she could drink without a problem, even in


    significantly greater

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    volumes.

    Is this symptomatic of some medical condition or disease?

    Any advise would be appreciated. She has no medical


    insurance, and I

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    am yet to convince her to go to the doctor.

    Its a problem..probably also bullemia related with food etc..
    the drinking is used to trigger the vomiting..the base line
    motivation was to get thin.. then that turns into some kind of
    a mania that goes out of control...it is life threatening for
    sure.

    The odds of a single doctor visit handling the problem are
    slim. If you can get her into a group, even AA would work or
    better a bullemia group she would have a very good chance...
    the more support you can give her the better...but it will
    take these concentrated outside influences to save her.

    Search googles web tab for the key words you will find plenty
    of information there.

    I dont want to promote for anyone on the NG but if you call, I
    will give you two phone numbers that will connect you to help
    that I know to be effect..costs are modest. Workability
    though is totally dependent on the person wanting themselves
    to get over the condition.

    My single experience with a young lady with maybe an identical
    problem indicated that she wanted to get over it but couldnt
    by her self...she was very treatable...she was not overly
    obsessed with body weight though... that helped.

    Phil Scott
    (415) 927 7573

  3. "Phil Scott" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Its a problem..probably also bullemia related with food etc..

    Are you for real? There's no indication that bulemia is involved, just
    from the description given. Again, instead of playing doctor on the
    internet, go to a real doctor..

  4. "Mike Chippendale" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

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    I have a friend - 23 y.o. female, good health. Months ago she started
    occasionally vomiting after socially drinking alcohol (2-3 drinks in a
    reasonable amount of time). The frequency of this occuring increased,
    as well as the intensity of the vomiting. The last two times she
    drank, she vomited all night long, until she was dehydrated and too
    weak to get out of bed for over 12 hours. There was a point in time
    when she could drink without a problem, even in significantly greater
    volumes.

    Is this symptomatic of some medical condition or disease?

    Any advise would be appreciated. She has no medical insurance, and I
    am yet to convince her to go to the doctor.

    1- Alcohol is a poison in sufficient amounts. It is linked causally with
    breast cancer in women, and also head and neck cancer in men and women,
    though the risk is small but significant. Alcohol can also kill brain cells
    (alcoholics often have significant brain damage) and causes dehydration.
    Heavy alcohol intake will destroy the liver, and combining even moderate
    intake with certain drugs can be dangerous. Moderate (1/2-1 portion for
    women, 1-2 for men) drinking is assosciated with significantly reduced heart
    attack risk, but there are safer ways to reduce ones risk of heart attack
    than to drink a carcinogen that it very destructive and potentially deadly.
    If alcohol causes problems, it is best not to drink it at all.

    2- depending on the weight of the woman, 3 drinks could be heavy drinking.
    Women weigh less and cannot tolerate alcohol as well as men.

    3- don't ask people to play doctor on Usenet. Have her see a real doctor
    and talk about her problems.

  5. "magnulus" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    "Mike Chippendale" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    I have a friend - 23 y.o. female, good health. Months ago she started
    occasionally vomiting after socially drinking alcohol (2-3 drinks in a
    reasonable amount of time). The frequency of this occuring increased,
    as well as the intensity of the vomiting. The last two times she
    drank, she vomited all night long, until she was dehydrated and too
    weak to get out of bed for over 12 hours. There was a point in time
    when she could drink without a problem, even in significantly greater
    volumes.

    Is this symptomatic of some medical condition or disease?

    Any advise would be appreciated. She has no medical insurance, and I
    am yet to convince her to go to the doctor.

    1- Alcohol is a poison in sufficient amounts. It is linked causally with
    breast cancer in women, and also head and neck cancer in men and women,
    though the risk is small but significant. Alcohol can also kill brain cells
    (alcoholics often have significant brain damage) and causes dehydration.
    Heavy alcohol intake will destroy the liver, and combining even moderate
    intake with certain drugs can be dangerous. Moderate (1/2-1 portion for
    women, 1-2 for men) drinking is assosciated with significantly reduced heart
    attack risk, but there are safer ways to reduce ones risk of heart attack
    than to drink a carcinogen that it very destructive and potentially deadly.
    If alcohol causes problems, it is best not to drink it at all.

    2- depending on the weight of the woman, 3 drinks could be heavy drinking.
    Women weigh less and cannot tolerate alcohol as well as men.

    3- don't ask people to play doctor on Usenet. Have her see a real doctor
    and talk about her problems.

    Evidently, there is some difficulty either comprehending my initial
    post, or it has presented an opportunity for folks to soapbox.

    1st - It is not Bulimia and there is nothing in the original post to
    indicate that it is other than the words 'vomit' and 'female'. To
    suggest that it is would be a stretch of insane proportions.

    2nd - Magnulus, thank you for the refresher on the basics of alcohol,
    and your sage advise on seeing a real doctor.

    The intent of the original message was not to have usenet diagnose
    anything - but to gather information from real people that can perhaps
    relate their real-life experiences in a fashion that may allow one to
    glean some information that could possibly help a friend in need. The
    post clearly stated that this girl has no health insurance, and
    perhaps mistakenly on my part, allowed the reader the ability to infer
    that there is an economic issue in question.

    Even highly-insured people, like myself, can see doctor after doctor,
    and take test after test and still be un(mis)diagnosed. Even with
    REAL doctors and the REAL ability to pay them. A similar post on a
    similar usenet group assisted in the diagnosis of a rare blood
    disorder that I have. Amazingly enough, no one on the usenet group
    actually diagnosed me - but related to me a story of someone they know
    with similar symptoms. I took that information, and had a very
    specific test done - without my REAL doctors assistance because he
    felt it was not even possible for me to have this disorder - and paid
    for it out of my own pocket because my REAL insurance company wouldn't
    pay for it without a referral from a REAL doctor - and I helped to
    solve my own problem.

    So please - stop preaching and either contribute in a positive
    fashion, or keep your lessons/opinions to yourself.

    Thank you for caring.

  6. "Mike Chippendale" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "magnulus" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    "Mike Chippendale" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I have a friend - 23 y.o. female, good health. Months ago she started
    occasionally vomiting after socially drinking alcohol (2-3 drinks in a
    reasonable amount of time). The frequency of this occuring increased,
    as well as the intensity of the vomiting. The last two times she
    drank, she vomited all night long, until she was dehydrated and too
    weak to get out of bed for over 12 hours. There was a point in time
    when she could drink without a problem, even in significantly greater
    volumes.

    Is this symptomatic of some medical condition or disease?

    Any advise would be appreciated. She has no medical insurance, and I
    am yet to convince her to go to the doctor.

    1- Alcohol is a poison in sufficient amounts. It is linked causally


    with

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    breast cancer in women, and also head and neck cancer in men and women,
    though the risk is small but significant. Alcohol can also kill brain


    cells

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    (alcoholics often have significant brain damage) and causes dehydration.
    Heavy alcohol intake will destroy the liver, and combining even moderate
    intake with certain drugs can be dangerous. Moderate (1/2-1 portion for
    women, 1-2 for men) drinking is assosciated with significantly reduced


    heart

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    attack risk, but there are safer ways to reduce ones risk of heart


    attack

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    than to drink a carcinogen that it very destructive and potentially


    deadly.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    If alcohol causes problems, it is best not to drink it at all.

    2- depending on the weight of the woman, 3 drinks could be heavy


    drinking.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Women weigh less and cannot tolerate alcohol as well as men.

    3- don't ask people to play doctor on Usenet. Have her see a real


    doctor

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    and talk about her problems.

    Evidently, there is some difficulty either comprehending my initial
    post, or it has presented an opportunity for folks to soapbox.

    1st - It is not Bulimia and there is nothing in the original post to
    indicate that it is other than the words 'vomit' and 'female'. To
    suggest that it is would be a stretch of insane proportions.

    2nd - Magnulus, thank you for the refresher on the basics of alcohol,
    and your sage advise on seeing a real doctor.

    The intent of the original message was not to have usenet diagnose
    anything - but to gather information from real people that can perhaps
    relate their real-life experiences in a fashion that may allow one to
    glean some information that could possibly help a friend in need. The
    post clearly stated that this girl has no health insurance, and
    perhaps mistakenly on my part, allowed the reader the ability to infer
    that there is an economic issue in question.

    Even highly-insured people, like myself, can see doctor after doctor,
    and take test after test and still be un(mis)diagnosed. Even with
    REAL doctors and the REAL ability to pay them. A similar post on a
    similar usenet group assisted in the diagnosis of a rare blood
    disorder that I have. Amazingly enough, no one on the usenet group
    actually diagnosed me - but related to me a story of someone they know
    with similar symptoms. I took that information, and had a very
    specific test done - without my REAL doctors assistance because he
    felt it was not even possible for me to have this disorder - and paid
    for it out of my own pocket because my REAL insurance company wouldn't
    pay for it without a referral from a REAL doctor - and I helped to
    solve my own problem.

    Let me guess here, I bet it was some cult diagnosis of yeast or something
    similar.
    I noticed that tendency from your original post which is why I did not reply
    originially. You self diagnosed yourself without a REAL doctor so you don't
    have a REAL diagnosis. There isn't any test in the world that is 100%
    specific for anything.
    Getting back to the original question, there are other possibilites that
    have not be mentioned. Maybe you can go to a chiropractor or a massage
    therapist and have them do a test for it based on similar experiences from
    USNET post testimonials.

    Quoted message said:


    So please - stop preaching and either contribute in a positive
    fashion, or keep your lessons/opinions to yourself.

    Let me contribute positively by saying that you are an idiot for trying to
    rely on usnet posting in trying to diagnose yourself or your friend.

    Quoted message said:


    Thank you for caring.

  7. "Robert" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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    Quoted message said:

    Evidently, there is some difficulty either comprehending my initial
    post, or it has presented an opportunity for folks to soapbox.

    1st - It is not Bulimia and there is nothing in the original post to
    indicate that it is other than the words 'vomit' and 'female'. To
    suggest that it is would be a stretch of insane proportions.

    2nd - Magnulus, thank you for the refresher on the basics of alcohol,
    and your sage advise on seeing a real doctor.

    The intent of the original message was not to have usenet diagnose
    anything - but to gather information from real people that can perhaps
    relate their real-life experiences in a fashion that may allow one to
    glean some information that could possibly help a friend in need. The
    post clearly stated that this girl has no health insurance, and
    perhaps mistakenly on my part, allowed the reader the ability to infer
    that there is an economic issue in question.

    Even highly-insured people, like myself, can see doctor after doctor,
    and take test after test and still be un(mis)diagnosed. Even with
    REAL doctors and the REAL ability to pay them. A similar post on a
    similar usenet group assisted in the diagnosis of a rare blood
    disorder that I have. Amazingly enough, no one on the usenet group
    actually diagnosed me - but related to me a story of someone they know
    with similar symptoms. I took that information, and had a very
    specific test done - without my REAL doctors assistance because he
    felt it was not even possible for me to have this disorder - and paid
    for it out of my own pocket because my REAL insurance company wouldn't
    pay for it without a referral from a REAL doctor - and I helped to
    solve my own problem.

    Let me guess here, I bet it was some cult diagnosis of yeast or something
    similar.

    Not exactly sure what post you actually read Robert, but there was no
    cult diagnosis of anything, nor was there anything to indicate that.
    The diagnosis was hereditary sphero-cytosis.

    Quoted message said:

    I noticed that tendency from your original post which is why I did not reply
    originially. You self diagnosed yourself without a REAL doctor so you don't
    have a REAL diagnosis. There isn't any test in the world that is 100%
    specific for anything.

    Once again, not sure what the hell you read, my confused friend - but
    there was no self-diagnosis of anything. My references to REAL
    doctors, were that they couldn't diagnose the disease without my
    forceful insistance to perform a certain test (osmotic fragility
    [sp?]). Which allowed the diagnosis.

    Quoted message said:

    Getting back to the original question, there are other possibilites that
    have not be mentioned. Maybe you can go to a chiropractor or a massage
    therapist and have them do a test for it based on similar experiences from
    USNET post testimonials.

    Quoted message said:


    So please - stop preaching and either contribute in a positive
    fashion, or keep your lessons/opinions to yourself.

    Let me contribute positively by saying that you are an idiot for trying to
    rely on usnet posting in trying to diagnose yourself or your friend.

    And yet again, my near mentally retarded fellow computer owner, I am
    not relying on usenet to diagnose anything. Please reference the
    clipped paragraph below which is from my second post. If there are
    any words you don't understand, I encourage you to consult
    dictionary.com. Perhaps that will assist you prior to your posting of
    a message that clearly documents what a moron you are.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
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    The intent of the original message was not to have usenet diagnose
    anything - but to gather information from real people that can


    perhaps

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    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    relate their real-life experiences in a fashion that may allow one


    to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    glean some information that could possibly help a friend in need.


    The

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    post clearly stated that this girl has no health insurance, and
    perhaps mistakenly on my part, allowed the reader the ability to


    infer

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    that there is an economic issue in question.

  8. "Mike Chippendale" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

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    "Robert" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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    Let me guess here, I bet it was some cult diagnosis of yeast or


    something

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    similar.

    Not exactly sure what post you actually read Robert, but there was no
    cult diagnosis of anything, nor was there anything to indicate that.
    The diagnosis was hereditary sphero-cytosis.

    "Not anything to indicate the diagnosis HS".

    Guidelines for the diagnosis and management of hereditary spherocytosis.

    Bolton-Maggs PH, Stevens RF, Dodd NJ, Lamont G, Tittensor P, King MJ;
    General Haematology Task Force of the British Committee for Standards in
    Haematology.
    Manchester Royal Infirmary, Manchester, UK.
    Hereditary spherocytosis (HS) is a heterogeneous group of disorders with
    regard to clinical severity, protein defects and mode of inheritance. It is
    relatively common in Caucasian populations; most affected individuals have
    mild or only moderate haemolysis. There is usually a family history, and a
    typical clinical and laboratory picture so that the diagnosis is often
    easily made without additional laboratory tests. Atypical cases may require
    measurement of erythrocyte membrane proteins to clarify the nature of the
    membrane disorder and in the absence of a family history, occasionally
    molecular genetic analysis will help to determine whether inheritance is
    recessive or non-dominant. It is particularly important to rule out
    stomatocytosis where splenectomy is contraindicated because of the
    thrombotic risk. Mild HS can be managed without folate supplements and does
    not require splenectomy. Moderately and severely affected individuals are
    likely to benefit from splenectomy, which should be performed after the age
    of 6 years and with appropriate counselling about the infection risk. In all
    cases careful dialogue between doctor, patient and the family is essential.
    Laparoscopic surgery, when performed by experienced surgeons, can result in
    a shorter hospital stay and less pain

    PMID: 15287938 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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    I noticed that tendency from your original post which is why I did not


    reply

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    originially. You self diagnosed yourself without a REAL doctor so you


    don't

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    have a REAL diagnosis. There isn't any test in the world that is 100%
    specific for anything.

    Once again, not sure what the hell you read, my confused friend - but
    there was no self-diagnosis of anything. My references to REAL
    doctors, were that they couldn't diagnose the disease without my
    forceful insistance to perform a certain test (osmotic fragility
    [sp?]). Which allowed the diagnosis.

    Osmotic fragility is not specific for HS moron. It is not even mentioned
    above. Osmotic fragility is is found in many conditions and provides no
    specificity. Intrinsic defects in red cell membranes and extrinsic
    alterations can make red cells more fragile. Let me repeat your own post.

    "I took that information, and had a very specific test done - without my
    REAL doctors assistance because he felt it was not even possible for me to
    have this disorder - and paid
    for it out of my own pocket because my REAL insurance company wouldn't pay
    for it without a referral from a REAL doctor - and I helped to solve my own
    problem."

    HS is a common disorder and not rare as you stated. Atypical cases
    presenting de novo and not familial in origin needs special membrane protein
    studies dork otherwise you will be surprised down the road with your so
    called specific osmotic fragility test.
    Family history is important for many, many disorders and the first people
    you should be asking is family members. If you have HS then the first people
    you should be telling is other members of your extended family.
    Spherocytes on blood smear with an increased MCHC on the CBC report is a no
    brainer and is the first laboratory indicator pointing towards HS.
    My point is be careful what you wish for, talking your way into a diagnosis,
    that can be wrong and bite you in the butt.
    They do a splenectomy to treat the HS and you come down with an infection
    and you die when it turns out you had stomatocytosis instead in where the
    splenectomy is not indicated.
    I would be [censored] if all they did was an osmotic fragility in a person with
    a non family history.

  9. "Mike Chippendale" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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    Not exactly sure what post you actually read Robert, but


    there was no

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    cult diagnosis of anything, nor was there anything to


    indicate that.

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    The diagnosis was hereditary sphero-cytosis.

    OK I got it! You were just trying to waste time then?
    Good going.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    I noticed that tendency from your original post which is


    why I did not reply

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    originially. You self diagnosed yourself without a REAL


    doctor so you don't

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    have a REAL diagnosis. There isn't any test in the world


    that is 100%

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    specific for anything.

    Once again, not sure what the hell you read, my confused


    friend - but

    Quoted message said:

    there was no self-diagnosis of anything. My references to


    REAL

    Quoted message said:

    doctors, were that they couldn't diagnose the disease


    without my

    Quoted message said:

    forceful insistance to perform a certain test (osmotic


    fragility

    Quoted message said:

    [sp?]). Which allowed the diagnosis.

    Quoted message said:

    Getting back to the original question, there are other


    possibilites that

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    have not be mentioned. Maybe you can go to a chiropractor


    or a massage

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    therapist and have them do a test for it based on similar


    experiences from

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    USNET post testimonials.

    Quoted message said:


    So please - stop preaching and either contribute in a


    positive

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    fashion, or keep your lessons/opinions to yourself.

    Let me contribute positively by saying that you are an


    idiot for trying to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    rely on usnet posting in trying to diagnose yourself or


    your friend.

    Quoted message said:


    And yet again, my near mentally retarded fellow computer


    owner, I am

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    not relying on usenet to diagnose anything. Please


    reference the

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    clipped paragraph below which is from my second post. If


    there are

    Quoted message said:

    any words you don't understand, I encourage you to consult
    dictionary.com. Perhaps that will assist you prior to your


    posting of

    Quoted message said:

    a message that clearly documents what a moron you are.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > The intent of the original message was not to have


    usenet diagnose

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    > anything - but to gather information from real people th


    at can

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    perhaps

    Quoted message said:
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    > relate their real-life experiences in a fashion that may


    allow one

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    to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > glean some information that could possibly help a friend


    in need.

    Quoted message said:

    The

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    > post clearly stated that this girl has no health


    insurance, and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
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    > perhaps mistakenly on my part, allowed the reader the


    ability to

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    infer

    Quoted message said:
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    > that there is an economic issue in question.

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