Voight on a training ride??

steve robertson <[email hidden]> wrote in
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And it was cool how, just before being caught by the peloton
(at least the first part), deGroot loaded up with bottles
from the moto.

Funny you mentioned that.

I was waiting for the enevitable newbie question:
Do domestiques have to go off the front to get bottles now?

There's an article here:
http://www.velonews.com/tour2004/tech/articles/6461.0.html about it along
with a picture of the SRM transponder that looks like a seat bag.

"steve robertson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Look at the TV images of Voight's bike today. I saw SRM
cranks (I notice a few riders with them). But I am almost
sure I saw a kit bag under his saddle. I didn't see a pump
though. A good ride by CSC might just put Voight in yellow
tomorrow - think he'll take the power meter of then?

And it was cool how, just before being caught by the peloton
(at least the first part), deGroot loaded up with bottles
from the moto.

steve

power meters dont weigh much and on the flats they are not a liability... i bet
you see a lot of guys racing with them in the future... steels had one when he
won his national championship... tehy are an invaluble pacing tool and the info
you get from them is important for training... its pretty pointless to use one
and not race with it... how will you know where you are and what you need to
work on?

"steve robertson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Look at the TV images of Voight's bike today. I saw SRM
cranks (I notice a few riders with them). But I am almost
sure I saw a kit bag under his saddle. I didn't see a pump
though. A good ride by CSC might just put Voight in yellow
tomorrow - think he'll take the power meter of then?

Riis (his DS) is the only man to ever use an SRM while *winning* a classic
('97 Amstel Gold). I think he also used it while winning the Tour (I could
be wrong on that). I also recall that Lemond and Boardman used them in
stages races and possibly in the Tour.

Why should he take them off?

Quoted message said:

And it was cool how, just before being caught by the peloton
(at least the first part), deGroot loaded up with bottles
from the moto.

steve

steve robertson <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Look at the TV images of Voight's bike today. I saw SRM
cranks (I notice a few riders with them). But I am almost
sure I saw a kit bag under his saddle. I didn't see a pump
though. A good ride by CSC might just put Voight in yellow
tomorrow - think he'll take the power meter of then?

And it was cool how, just before being caught by the peloton
(at least the first part), deGroot loaded up with bottles
from the moto.

steve

The bag is the telemetry unit to send the SRM data. It's discussed on
the Velonews website.

Brian Phillips said:

There's an article here:
http://www.velonews.com/tour2004/tech/articles/6461.0.html about it along
with a picture of the SRM transponder that looks like a seat bag.

Well, if that seat-bag was a transponder it makes more sense
now than having a tire and some levers in the bag. Still,
the whole works has to be pretty heavy.

Is Voight being monitored by CSC fans (like a T-Mobile rider
is)? Or can Riis actually tell Voight what effort to put in
based on his power numbers (it seems to me that the HR is
the limiting factor, given the training base).

steve

"steve robertson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Brian Phillips said:

There's an article here:
http://www.velonews.com/tour2004/tech/articles/6461.0.html about it along
with a picture of the SRM transponder that looks like a seat bag.

Well, if that seat-bag was a transponder it makes more sense
now than having a tire and some levers in the bag. Still,
the whole works has to be pretty heavy.

Is Voight being monitored by CSC fans (like a T-Mobile rider
is)? Or can Riis actually tell Voight what effort to put in
based on his power numbers (it seems to me that the HR is
the limiting factor, given the training base).

What does that have to do with monitoring power? HR and power are not
directly related especially from day to day. It makes the most sense (to me)
to monitor HR because the rest of the useable data can be calculated (though
not easily in an ITT or road stage where drafting is a factor). Power is the
next best thing to have in addition to HR. HR never replaces power and vice
versa. Only when using data to guide training would you use one or the other
to set pace. Because of cardio drift due to weather, fatigue and adrenal
response, it would be a bad idea to limit one's pace while in a breakaway
with anything other than PE (perceived exertion) and the data from HR and
power is used for review to perhaps give insight to what happened and to
predict future performance. BTW, SRM may be a "power meter" but it also
records and displays speed, time HR, etc.

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steve

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Look at the TV images of Voight's bike today. I saw SRM
cranks (I notice a few riders with them). But I am almost
sure I saw a kit bag under his saddle. I didn't see a pump
though. A good ride by CSC might just put Voight in yellow
tomorrow - think he'll take the power meter of then?

And it was cool how, just before being caught by the peloton
(at least the first part), deGroot loaded up with bottles
from the moto.

steve

The bag is the telemetry unit to send the SRM data. It's discussed on
the Velonews website.

Wait a minute, not all of the riders are using telemetry. The typical system
(for all of the devices) simply records the data to be downloaded and
reviewed at will. The telemetry devices discussed in the article is used to
send data to the team (DS or coach) in case they want to second guess the
rider (not often in men's pro racing) or send the data to the various web
sites promoting this feature to follow the riders with a very low latency
(not truly "real time"😉 and their power, HR, cadence etc. data.

Chris said:

"steve robertson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Brian Phillips said:

There's an article here:
http://www.velonews.com/tour2004/tech/articles/6461.0.html about it along
with a picture of the SRM transponder that looks like a seat bag.

Well, if that seat-bag was a transponder it makes more sense
now than having a tire and some levers in the bag. Still,
the whole works has to be pretty heavy.

Is Voight being monitored by CSC fans (like a T-Mobile rider
is)? Or can Riis actually tell Voight what effort to put in
based on his power numbers (it seems to me that the HR is
the limiting factor, given the training base).

They showed his data the next day on ARD Television and analyzed it a
bit. You could quite well see the energy he put in in the beginning of
the pave and when he tried to contest the last sprint.

Iris