vo2 max testing, on the calendar tommorow

Hypnospin said:

tommorow i shall go get v02 max testing, will report back if anyone interested
(or not)

anyone have experience with this? being tested, and further, putting the pieces together for a race prep training program?

no power meter for me at this time, but hrm yes. i am looking forward to getting the overview, and specific hr zones from this.

i am a veteran of conconi testing but this is first time v02 max.

Check out the following thread: cyclingforums.comt296051 physiological testing.htmlOpen ↗

It's talking about this topic as well. Cheers

thanks, din. i looked this up and will check on it.
however, not using a pm (power meter), i am interested in those who may be using a hrm (heart rate monitor) for training with the zones defined from the vo2 test, or any other input not specific to pm use in regards to this.
Thanks again!

Dini77 said:

Check out the following thread: cyclingforums.comt296051 physiological testing.htmlOpen ↗

It's talking about this topic as well. Cheers

Hypnospin said:

thanks, din. i looked this up and will check on it.
however, not using a pm (power meter), i am interested in those who may be using a hrm (heart rate monitor) for training with the zones defined from the vo2 test, or any other input not specific to pm use in regards to this.
Thanks again!

Let us know how you get on. Although my riders don't have the luxury (ie the $$$) of powermeters we get power outputs at aerobic threshold, anaerobic threshold and V02max that we can compare from test to test. If you get the raw data you can also work out your max minute power (or MAP).

We also get HR at aerobic and anaerobic threshold and use this for training guidelines.

You getting lactate done as well?

Hamish Ferguson
Cycling Coach

Hypnospin said:

thanks, din. i looked this up and will check on it.
however, not using a pm (power meter), i am interested in those who may be using a hrm (heart rate monitor) for training with the zones defined from the vo2 test, or any other input not specific to pm use in regards to this.
Thanks again!

You can use power data (ie IAT) and HR data (ie IAT HR, Max HR), plug it into Andy Coggan's model - which is (i think) intended more for setting power levels, but also gives the HR zones and away you go. My training program is based on HR as i too don't have a PM and i have seen good improvements in LT/IAT (i recently got tested again). Granted, training by HR is subject to more uncertainty/other factors than by power, but it's the best i got at the moment.
cheers

fergie said:

aerobic and anaerobic threshold

Hi Hamish, I am a bit curious. How do you define the two?

SolarEnergy said:

Hi Hamish, I am a bit curious. How do you define the two?

Aerobic threshold: we use 1mmol above resting lactate. Also roughly equates to 2mmol of lactate, 1st deflection point on a lactate curve, lactate threshold or onset of blood lactate accumulation.

Anaerobic threshold: we use the 2nd deflection point on a lactate curve. Also roughly equates to 4mmol of lactate, CP60, max lactate steady state.

Because we are doing V02 at the same time we can check these against ventilatory thresholds if the lactate curve is unclear.

While the two labs available to us in Christchurch use a similar protocol I appreciate that it's not exact science but the HR zones it gives us work very well guiding their aerobic training.

Because the testing also gives us max HR and MAP the zones we get from lactate testing match up very closely with both Ric Sterns, Andy Coggans and Peter Keens zones.

Hamish Ferguson
Cycling Coach

Dini77 said:

You can use power data (ie IAT) and HR data (ie IAT HR, Max HR), plug it into Andy Coggan's model - which is (i think) intended more for setting power levels, but also gives the HR zones and away you go. My training program is based on HR as i too don't have a PM and i have seen good improvements in LT/IAT (i recently got tested again). Granted, training by HR is subject to more uncertainty/other factors than by power, but it's the best i got at the moment.

I have no idea what typical lab costs are. How many times would someone have to get tested to equal the cost of a PM?

frenchyge said:

I have no idea what typical lab costs are. How many times would someone have to get tested to equal the cost of a PM?

In Australia, a test can cost anywhere between $150 - $400 depending on where you go and what they test. My private health insurance allows me up to $800 for physio and related services a year so i have pushed these lab tests through as physio related services the past 2 years. Since i pay for private health insurance each year regardless of getting a lab test the incremental cost for me is zero. PM's here in Oz aren't cheap (anywhere from $1500 - $3400). If i had a PM i probably wouldn't bother with the lab test but the test has been very good for me in helping to better define training zones, monitor/validate improvements, learning, etc. I figure I can get a test once per year for the next 13.6 years before i hit the cost of an SRM Pro (based on $250 per test and $3400 for an SRM Pro)...but i really love gadgets and the SRM is very tempting😄

din & all, thanks for the continued input. the test, though, needed to be re-scheded for two weeks from today...
more later form me on this.

Dini77 said:

You can use power data (ie IAT) and HR data (ie IAT HR, Max HR), plug it into Andy Coggan's model - cheers

din & all, thanks for the continued input. the test, though, needed to be re-scheded for two weeks from today...
more later form me on this.

Dini77 said:

You can use power data (ie IAT) and HR data (ie IAT HR, Max HR), plug it into Andy Coggan's model - cheers