VITAMIN E KILLS

Mark Thorson said:

Vitamin E has adverse effects on recurrence of cancer and survival
in cancer patients.

Read about it here:

http://jncicancerspectrum.oupjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/jnci;97/7/481

So one refined form, of the eight forms of vitamin e, by itself, can
cause problems.

The eight forms of vitamin E work synergistically together. So take
only a vitamin e supplement that contains a complex of the eight forms
or better yet get your vitamin e from real food. Vitamins E from real
food causes absolutely none of the artificially produced negative
effects as seen in this study. And they are, btw, vitamins, which means
they are needed in the diet for us to live.

The idea of "scientists" telling us that vitamins (which by definition
are needed for life) are dangerous is patently absurd.

TC

Yup vitamins kill ...... if you toss them at small insects .....

Joel

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Mark Thorson said:

Vitamin E has adverse effects on recurrence of cancer and survival
in cancer patients.

Read about it here:

http://jncicancerspectrum.oupjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/jnci;97/7/481

Quoted message said:

So one refined form, of the eight forms of vitamin e, by itself, can
cause problems.

There is a good note on this at:
http://www.crnusa.org/vitaminEissafe.html

I am still taking mine in a complete and natural form.

Randy

http://www.antiagingatlanta.com

HGHDOC said:

There is a good note on this at:
http://www.crnusa.org/vitaminEissafe.html

I am still taking mine in a complete and natural form.

Randy

http://www.antiagingatlanta.com

I'd like to see this kind of study done on every prescription drug and
see what they come up with.

TC

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Quoted message said:

Mark Thorson said:

Vitamin E has adverse effects on recurrence of cancer and survival
in cancer patients.

http://jncicancerspectrum.oupjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/jnci;97/7/481

So one refined form, of the eight forms of vitamin e, by itself, can
cause problems.

The eight forms of vitamin E work synergistically together. So take
only a vitamin e supplement that contains a complex of the eight forms
or better yet get your vitamin e from real food. Vitamins E from real
food causes absolutely none of the artificially produced negative
effects as seen in this study.

Unfortunately, there's little evidence of this. The study was a surprise.
Science is like that.

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The idea of "scientists" telling us that vitamins (which by definition
are needed for life) are dangerous is patently absurd.

"Scientists" tell us that Vitamin A is hepatoxic in large doses. (An
overdose of Vitamin A can easily be had by eating Polar Bear liver.) Too
much Niacin (A B Vitamin) can cause neuropathy. The "scientists" did a
study, a very well controlled one) that concluded that Vitamin E does not
have the benefits widely claimed *by scientists*. If you have a problem
with the study, show it. Your complaints about "scientists" are silly.

moo

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HGHDOC said:

There is a good note on this at:
http://www.crnusa.org/vitaminEissafe.html

I am still taking mine in a complete and natural form.

Randy

http://www.antiagingatlanta.com

I'd like to see this kind of study done on every prescription drug and
see what they come up with.

What study?

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Quoted message said:

The idea of "scientists" telling us that vitamins (which by definition
are needed for life) are dangerous is patently absurd.

As absurd as the notion that too much oxygen (which is needed for life) can
be dangerous. Or the notion that too much sodium can be dangerous. Or
that potassium could be used as part of a lethal injection. Or that too
many calories could have deleterious effects (of course, I know you believe
this last one about as much as you believe that HIV causes AIDS).

The classification of molecules as "virtuous" or "vicious" can only come
about through the application of religious, rather than scientific,
reasoning.

TC said:

Vitamins E from real food causes absolutely
none of the artificially produced negative
effects as seen in this study.

Can you cite any reliable evidence for that,
or are you just blowing smoke?

I cited a study published in a refereed medical
journal published by the National Cancer Institute.
The study was double-blinded and placebo-controlled
with 540 participants. That's pretty reliable information!
I don't think you can top it, but feel free to try.

HGHDOC said:

There is a good note on this at:
http://www.crnusa.org/vitaminEissafe.html

No, that page does not address this study.
That web site is supported by the dietary
supplements industry, and they do not present
any information which would suggest that
any supplements are unsafe or harmful.

Mark Thorson wrote:
:: TC wrote:
::
::: Vitamins E from real food causes absolutely
::: none of the artificially produced negative
::: effects as seen in this study.
::
:: Can you cite any reliable evidence for that,
:: or are you just blowing smoke?
::
:: I cited a study published in a refereed medical
:: journal published by the National Cancer Institute.
:: The study was double-blinded and placebo-controlled
:: with 540 participants. That's pretty reliable information!
:: I don't think you can top it, but feel free to try.

Many benefits of vitamin E found in previous studies are due to natural
/gamma/ -tocopherol found in foods. Besides that, the health benefits of nut
consumption are attributed partly to the tocotrienols they contain.

--
Juhana

In article said:

Vitamin E has adverse effects on recurrence of cancer and survival
in cancer patients.

Read about it here:

http://jncicancerspectrum.oupjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/jnci;97/7/481

Which will do more harm to a person that has it in their body?
vitamin E or mercury

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Jason said:

In article said:

Vitamin E has adverse effects on recurrence of cancer and survival
in cancer patients.

Read about it here:

http://jncicancerspectrum.oupjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/jnci;97/7/481

Which will do more harm to a person that has it in their body?
vitamin E or mercury

Depends on the volume. Mercury can be quite safe at 1 part per zillion.

Juhana Harju said:

Mark Thorson wrote:
::
:: Can you cite any reliable evidence for that,
:: or are you just blowing smoke?
::
:: I cited a study published in a refereed medical
:: journal published by the National Cancer Institute.
:: The study was double-blinded and placebo-controlled
:: with 540 participants. That's pretty reliable information!
:: I don't think you can top it, but feel free to try.

Many benefits of vitamin E found in previous studies are due
to natural /gamma/ -tocopherol found in foods.

On what do you base that? Can you cite any studies?
Do you sell gamma-tocopherol?

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Besides that, the health benefits of nut consumption
are attributed partly to the tocotrienols they contain.

Obviously, it would be unethical to give tocotrienols
to cancer patients, because tocotrienols stimulate the
mechanism responsible for resistance to cancer
chemotherapy drugs.

Mark Thorson said:

Juhana Harju said:

Mark Thorson wrote:
::
:: Can you cite any reliable evidence for that,
:: or are you just blowing smoke?
::
:: I cited a study published in a refereed medical
:: journal published by the National Cancer Institute.
:: The study was double-blinded and placebo-controlled
:: with 540 participants. That's pretty reliable information!
:: I don't think you can top it, but feel free to try.

Many benefits of vitamin E found in previous studies are due
to natural /gamma/ -tocopherol found in foods.

On what do you base that? Can you cite any studies?
Do you sell gamma-tocopherol?

Quoted message said:

Besides that, the health benefits of nut consumption
are attributed partly to the tocotrienols they contain.

Obviously, it would be unethical to give tocotrienols
to cancer patients, because tocotrienols stimulate the
mechanism responsible for resistance to cancer
chemotherapy drugs.

I'm not an expert, but it's not clear to me if the form
of alpha was synthetic or natural. It just says alpha.
Unless somebody can tell me which was used, I think the
study is lacking. Previous studies indicate there's a
difference in how the body uses the two forms.

Mark Thorson wrote:
:: Juhana Harju wrote:
::
::: Mark Thorson wrote:
:::::
::::: Can you cite any reliable evidence for that,
::::: or are you just blowing smoke?
:::::
::::: I cited a study published in a refereed medical
::::: journal published by the National Cancer Institute.
::::: The study was double-blinded and placebo-controlled
::::: with 540 participants. That's pretty reliable information!
::::: I don't think you can top it, but feel free to try.
:::
::: Many benefits of vitamin E found in previous studies are due
::: to natural /gamma/ -tocopherol found in foods.
::
:: On what do you base that? Can you cite any studies?
:: Do you sell gamma-tocopherol?

I have read a few abstracts and studies, here is one:

"In this prospective study, higher concentrations of plasma gamma-tocopherol
were associated with a statistically significant lower risk of developing
prostate cancer."

http://jncicancerspectrum.oupjournals.org/cgi/content/full/jnci;92/24/2018

No, I am not involved in the sales of supplements.

::: Besides that, the health benefits of nut consumption
::: are attributed partly to the tocotrienols they contain.
::
:: Obviously, it would be unethical to give tocotrienols
:: to cancer patients, because tocotrienols stimulate the
:: mechanism responsible for resistance to cancer
:: chemotherapy drugs.

That is another thing.

--
Juhana

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Vitamin E has adverse effects on recurrence of cancer and survival
in cancer patients.

How awful! You don't suppose that's why there's a Recommended
Daily Amount (RDA) for such things, do you?

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"Scientists" tell us that Vitamin A is hepatoxic in large doses. (An
overdose of Vitamin A can easily be had by eating Polar Bear liver.)

Pity, I'd been looking forward to some Ursus Antarcticus[1]
liver pate...

[1] Yes, I know. I made it up.
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The idea of "scientists" telling us that vitamins (which by definition
are needed for life) are dangerous is patently absurd.

As absurd as the notion that too much oxygen (which is needed for life) can
be dangerous.

And as for Dihydrogen Monoxide <sucks teeth> - you can't trust
that stuff an inch. It should be banned before there are more
deaths resulting from its misuse. Did you know that it's
being included in just about everything these days? It's like
all these E numbers. We never had E numbers when I were a
lad, and now they're everywhere. Dangerous, I call it. Why,
when we were growing up.........[no carrier]

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Subject: VITAMIN E KILLS

....which is nothing at all like the conclusion in the cited
article.

Stop being so melodramatic please, you're likely to scare
people unnecessarily.
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