Vino sucks?

Bret said:

It never occurred to him to support Kloden today? I'm glad he didn't,
but Sheeesh! I'm much more impressed by the rides of Menchov and
Boogard today. Hincapie too. That's twice now that AC has gone over
the final climb to find a teammate waiting for him there.

There has been some great teamwork out there. Chicken v Contador is a team event
with both getting brilliant support from their guys, guys who were supposed to
be contenders themselves. Both teams are well stocked with very similar GC
underperformers who find themselves with climbers to support.

Ron

Yes, there is pretty much zero doubt that Vino is as selfish as they
come.
On the other hand, not sure what Kloeden was thinking when
he signed on with Astana, especially considering he saw how Vino
was with Tmobile first hand. I gues the money was worth it

As far as teamwork from others, it seems like DC needs to sacrifice
Leipheimer if
they want to give Contador a chance to win it, perhaps have
leiphemer break earlier to put pressure on Rabobank, not
sure if DC is willing to do this though..

RonSonic said:

Bret said:

It never occurred to him to support Kloden today? I'm glad he didn't,
but Sheeesh! I'm much more impressed by the rides of Menchov and
Boogard today. Hincapie too. That's twice now that AC has gone over
the final climb to find a teammate waiting for him there.

There has been some great teamwork out there. Chicken v Contador is a team event
with both getting brilliant support from their guys, guys who were supposed to
be contenders themselves. Both teams are well stocked with very similar GC
underperformers who find themselves with climbers to support.

Ron

shane said:

Yes, there is pretty much zero doubt that Vino is as selfish as they
come.
On the other hand, not sure what Kloeden was thinking when
he signed on with Astana, especially considering he saw how Vino
was with Tmobile first hand. I gues the money was worth it

As far as teamwork from others, it seems like DC needs to sacrifice
Leipheimer if
they want to give Contador a chance to win it, perhaps have
leiphemer break earlier to put pressure on Rabobank, not
sure if DC is willing to do this though..

RonSonic said:

On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 05:04:04 -0000, Bret <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

It never occurred to him to support Kloden today? I'm glad he didn't,
but Sheeesh! I'm much more impressed by the rides of Menchov and
Boogard today. Hincapie too. That's twice now that AC has gone over
the final climb to find a teammate waiting for him there.

Quoted message said:

There has been some great teamwork out there. Chicken v Contador is a team event
with both getting brilliant support from their guys, guys who were supposed to
be contenders themselves. Both teams are well stocked with very similar GC
underperformers who find themselves with climbers to support.

Quoted message said:

Ron- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Agree completely with the OP on Vino, but I guess he is too much of a
star/captain and good story to criticize. I think Disco has a few
more cards than Rabo if Levi plays ball. And Kloden and/or Cadel in
some long breaks on the flat stages would also be interestiing.

shane said:

Yes, there is pretty much zero doubt that Vino is as selfish as they
come.
On the other hand, not sure what Kloeden was thinking when
he signed on with Astana, especially considering he saw how Vino
was with Tmobile first hand. I gues the money was worth it

As far as teamwork from others, it seems like DC needs to sacrifice
Leipheimer if
they want to give Contador a chance to win it, perhaps have
leiphemer break earlier to put pressure on Rabobank, not
sure if DC is willing to do this though..

RonSonic said:

On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 05:04:04 -0000, Bret <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

It never occurred to him to support Kloden today? I'm glad he didn't,
but Sheeesh! I'm much more impressed by the rides of Menchov and
Boogard today. Hincapie too. That's twice now that AC has gone over
the final climb to find a teammate waiting for him there.

Quoted message said:

There has been some great teamwork out there. Chicken v Contador is a team event
with both getting brilliant support from their guys, guys who were supposed to
be contenders themselves. Both teams are well stocked with very similar GC
underperformers who find themselves with climbers to support.

Quoted message said:

Ron- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

If LL were to try to get into an early break, MR wouldn't need to
respond. Evans would do all the work since he apparently is at best
capable of racing against LL to conserve his current 3rd place. So,
sending LL early won't help.

BUT, and there's always a BUT, if AC were to crack MR, then LL and AC
could conceivably put time on MR.

Just my hunch.

Good point about Evans, I guess Horner
could help him for awhile at least, but
thats it. At least DC has Popovych to
get things going initialy, maybe leipheimer
and Popovych againt Evans/Horner? Could
almost work out as an alliance against Rabobank.

Scott said:

If LL were to try to get into an early break, MR wouldn't need to
respond. Evans would do all the work since he apparently is at best
capable of racing against LL to conserve his current 3rd place. So,
sending LL early won't help.

BUT, and there's always a BUT, if AC were to crack MR, then LL and AC
could conceivably put time on MR.

Just my hunch.

It woould be nice to see an scenario like that if only for the vision of CE
working
in front of the group for the first time in his life.

Everytime he has not been sucking wheel (when he has been left behind) he
has cracked 2 minutes later.

"shane" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Good point about Evans, I guess Horner
could help him for awhile at least, but
thats it. At least DC has Popovych to
get things going initialy, maybe leipheimer
and Popovych againt Evans/Horner? Could
almost work out as an alliance against Rabobank.

Scott said:

If LL were to try to get into an early break, MR wouldn't need to
respond. Evans would do all the work since he apparently is at best
capable of racing against LL to conserve his current 3rd place. So,
sending LL early won't help.

BUT, and there's always a BUT, if AC were to crack MR, then LL and AC
could conceivably put time on MR.

Just my hunch.