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  1. With a bit of luck (and the fact that I'm online so much :-)
    ) I was able to secure a booking with Graham Watson Sporting
    Tours for their Alps-to-Paris Tour de France tour in July.
    I'll be taking my bike and riding some of each day's stage
    (L'Alpe d'Huez, here I come!).

    But, I've never been over there, and wonder how I should go
    about protecting my bike and personal effects while viewing
    the race. I plan on carrying money and ID (not passport) in
    one of those "around the neck" wallets worn under my jersey.
    But, I've heard horror stories about Euro pickpockets, and
    I'm a bit worried about being in large crowds with stuff in
    my jersey pockets...especially my digital camera. I also
    worry about the bike wandering off during the excitement of
    the moment.

    Any advice from those of you who've done this before?

    ~_-* ...G/ \G cyclistats.comcyclistats.com CycliStats -
    Software for Cyclists

  2. "GaryG" <garyg@shasta_SPAMBEGONE_software.com> schreef in bericht
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    With a bit of luck (and the fact that I'm online so much
    :-) ) I was able to secure a booking with Graham Watson
    Sporting Tours for their Alps-to-Paris Tour de France tour
    in July. I'll be taking my bike and riding some of each
    day's stage (L'Alpe d'Huez, here I come!).

    But, I've never been over there, and wonder how I should
    go about


    protecting

    Quoted message said:

    my bike and personal effects while viewing the race. I
    plan on carrying money and ID (not passport) in one of
    those "around the neck" wallets worn under my jersey. But,
    I've heard horror stories about Euro pickpockets,


    and

    Quoted message said:

    I'm a bit worried about being in large crowds with stuff
    in my jersey pockets...especially my digital camera. I
    also worry about the bike wandering off during the
    excitement of the moment.

    Any advice from those of you who've done this before?

    ~_-* ...G/ \G cyclistats.comcyclistats.com CycliStats -
    Software for Cyclists

    Expect everything you also would expect during a sunny
    saturday afternoon in a crowded high street. Yes,
    pickpockets may be there, as anywhere else (we're European,
    which almost equals aliens). A small rucksack may be
    effective for your things. I used to climbe on of the small
    electricity houses of the EDF (Energy the France) for a good
    overview and good photo shooting.

    You should leave your bike at your hotel.

    When you want to see the Alpe d'Huez finish you'll be
    wanting to arrive the day before the event, as during the
    day of the event the roads are closed for all traffic.

    have phun

    --
    Posted by news://news.nb.nu

  3. Quoted message said:

    But, I've never been over there, and wonder how I should
    go about


    protecting

    Quoted message said:

    my bike and personal effects while viewing the race. I
    plan on carrying money and ID (not passport) in one of
    those "around the neck" wallets worn under my jersey. But,
    I've heard horror stories about Euro pickpockets,


    and

    Quoted message said:

    I'm a bit worried about being in large crowds with stuff
    in my jersey pockets...especially my digital camera. I
    also worry about the bike wandering off during the
    excitement of the moment.

    Any advice from those of you who've done this before?

    Gary: I've been to France five times (and will be going
    again for the TDF this July) and have found that security
    concerns are largely overblown. I've never used a money
    belt, nor been aware of any attempts to pickpocket me
    (including while traveling a number of times on the metro).
    When you're actaully riding to a spot where you'll watch a
    stage, your bike will be with you... simple as that. Just
    like thousands of others. For most stages, the Graham Baxter
    vehicle will be there at the stage, and you'll simply load
    your bike up in the trailer.

    I've never brought a lock for my bike and, in fact, have
    left my bike (along with several others from our group)
    outside a relatively busy restaraunt (in a small shopping
    center) for an hour, entirely unattended... and it was still
    there when we left. Strange, but true.

    You may read about my trip with Graham Baxter last year-
    chainreaction.comdiaryfrance2003.htm

    --Mike Jacoubowsky Chain Reaction Bicycles
    www.ChainReaction.com IMBA, BikesBelong, NBDA member

  4. "Mike Jacoubowsky/Chain Reaction Bicycles" <[email hidden]> wrote
    in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    But, I've never been over there, and wonder how I should
    go about


    protecting

    Quoted message said:

    my bike and personal effects while viewing the race. I
    plan on carrying money and ID (not passport) in one of
    those "around the neck" wallets


    worn

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    under my jersey. But, I've heard horror stories about
    Euro pickpockets,


    and

    Quoted message said:

    I'm a bit worried about being in large crowds with stuff
    in my jersey pockets...especially my digital camera. I
    also worry about the bike wandering off during the
    excitement of the moment.

    Any advice from those of you who've done this before?

    Gary: I've been to France five times (and will be going
    again for the TDF this July) and have found that security
    concerns are largely overblown. I've never used a money
    belt, nor been aware of any attempts to pickpocket me
    (including while traveling a number of times on the
    metro). When


    you're

    Quoted message said:

    actaully riding to a spot where you'll watch a stage, your
    bike will be


    with

    Quoted message said:

    you... simple as that. Just like thousands of others. For
    most stages,


    the

    Quoted message said:

    Graham Baxter vehicle will be there at the stage, and
    you'll simply load your bike up in the trailer.

    I've never brought a lock for my bike and, in fact, have
    left my bike


    (along

    Quoted message said:

    with several others from our group) outside a relatively
    busy restaraunt


    (in

    Quoted message said:

    a small shopping center) for an hour, entirely
    unattended... and it was still there when we left.
    Strange, but true.

    You may read about my trip with Graham Baxter last year-
    chainreaction.comdiaryfrance2003.htm

    --Mike Jacoubowsky Chain Reaction Bicycles
    www.ChainReaction.com IMBA, BikesBelong, NBDA member

    I was wondering if my fears were overblown. I had spoken
    recently to my fiance's teenage son who travelled in Italy
    last summer. He reported several pickpocketing attempts
    while he was there, including one by a little old lady who
    was "nearly 80 years old" (but, still had quick and deft
    hands that she clearly put into his pocket as she brushed by
    him on the street).

    As for your experiences...wow...you must have some really
    good karma!! Perhaps you were a monk in a previous life, eh?
    <g> Anyway, it's good to hear that you don't have to stress
    over it too much.

    GG

  5. "Mike Jacoubowsky/Chain Reaction Bicycles" <[email hidden]> wrote
    in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    But, I've never been over there, and wonder how I should
    go about


    protecting

    Quoted message said:

    my bike and personal effects while viewing the race. I
    plan on carrying money and ID (not passport) in one of
    those "around the neck" wallets


    worn

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    under my jersey. But, I've heard horror stories about
    Euro pickpockets,


    and

    Quoted message said:

    I'm a bit worried about being in large crowds with stuff
    in my jersey pockets...especially my digital camera. I
    also worry about the bike wandering off during the
    excitement of the moment.

    Any advice from those of you who've done this before?

    Gary: I've been to France five times (and will be going
    again for the TDF this July) and have found that security
    concerns are largely overblown. I've never used a money
    belt, nor been aware of any attempts to pickpocket me
    (including while traveling a number of times on the
    metro). When


    you're

    Quoted message said:

    actaully riding to a spot where you'll watch a stage, your
    bike will be


    with

    Quoted message said:

    you... simple as that. Just like thousands of others. For
    most stages,


    the

    Quoted message said:

    Graham Baxter vehicle will be there at the stage, and
    you'll simply load your bike up in the trailer.

    I've never brought a lock for my bike and, in fact, have
    left my bike


    (along

    Quoted message said:

    with several others from our group) outside a relatively
    busy restaraunt


    (in

    Quoted message said:

    a small shopping center) for an hour, entirely
    unattended... and it was still there when we left.
    Strange, but true.

    You may read about my trip with Graham Baxter last year-
    chainreaction.comdiaryfrance2003.htm

    --Mike Jacoubowsky Chain Reaction Bicycles
    www.ChainReaction.com IMBA, BikesBelong, NBDA member

    I was wondering if my fears were overblown. I had spoken
    recently to my fiance's teenage son who travelled in Italy
    last summer. He reported several pickpocketing attempts
    while he was there, including one by a little old lady who
    was "nearly 80 years old" (but, still had quick and deft
    hands that she clearly put into his pocket as she brushed by
    him on the street).

    As for your experiences...wow...you must have some really
    good karma!! Perhaps you were a monk in a previous life, eh?
    <g> Anyway, it's good to hear that you don't have to stress
    over it too much.

    GG

  6. Quoted message said:

    I was wondering if my fears were overblown. I had spoken
    recently to my fiance's teenage son who travelled in Italy
    last summer. He reported several pickpocketing attempts
    while he was there, including one by a


    little

    Quoted message said:

    old lady who was "nearly 80 years old" (but, still had
    quick and deft


    hands

    Quoted message said:

    that she clearly put into his pocket as she brushed by him
    on the street).

    For what it's worth, I've heard far more horror stories
    about Italy than I have France, particularly areas around
    train stations in large cities. My wife & daughter went on a
    school trip that spent a bit of time in Italy, and the
    stories of the Gypsies, with their cardboard facades held in
    front of them so you couldn't see them steal your stuff when
    they bumped into you... pretty amazing. I never saw anything
    like that in France.

    Quoted message said:

    As for your experiences...wow...you must have some really
    good karma!! Perhaps you were a monk in a previous life,
    eh? <g> Anyway, it's good to hear that you don't have to
    stress over it too much.

    Have you traveled abroad previously? If not, don't dwell on
    the things that might go wrong. Look forward to having a
    great time. The experience is amazing... although, frankly,
    you can remain fairly isolated from it when you're on an
    organized tour. And don't get too hung up on everything
    working out a certain way, especially on a Graham Baxter
    tour. Sometimes the itinerary bears little resemblance to
    reality, but it's the changes and surprises that often bring
    the most memorable experiences.

    Which level of Alpes-to-Paris tour are you doing
    (standard/deluxe/luxury)?

    --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
    chainreactionbicycles.comchainreactionbicycles.com

  7. "Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I was wondering if my fears were overblown. I had spoken
    recently to my fiance's teenage son who travelled in
    Italy last summer. He reported several pickpocketing
    attempts while he was there, including one by a


    little

    Quoted message said:

    old lady who was "nearly 80 years old" (but, still had
    quick and deft


    hands

    Quoted message said:

    that she clearly put into his pocket as she brushed by
    him on the


    street).

    Quoted message said:


    For what it's worth, I've heard far more horror stories
    about Italy than I have France, particularly areas around
    train stations in large cities. My wife & daughter went on
    a school trip that spent a bit of time in Italy,


    and

    Quoted message said:

    the stories of the Gypsies, with their cardboard facades
    held in front of them so you couldn't see them steal your
    stuff when they bumped into


    you...

    Quoted message said:

    pretty amazing. I never saw anything like that in France.

    Quoted message said:

    As for your experiences...wow...you must have some
    really good karma!! Perhaps you were a monk in a
    previous life, eh? <g> Anyway, it's good


    to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    hear that you don't have to stress over it too much.

    Have you traveled abroad previously? If not, don't dwell
    on the things


    that

    Quoted message said:

    might go wrong. Look forward to having a great time. The
    experience is amazing... although, frankly, you can remain
    fairly isolated from it when you're on an organized tour.
    And don't get too hung up on everything working out a
    certain way, especially on a Graham Baxter tour. Sometimes
    the itinerary bears little resemblance to reality, but
    it's the changes


    and

    Quoted message said:

    surprises that often bring the most memorable experiences.

    Thanks...I normally have an Alfred E. Neuman attitude
    ("What, me worry?"😉, and rarely has it or my guardian angel
    let me down. I sense that the GB tour may be somewhat
    "eccentric", but I'm really looking forward to it (the price
    was very reasonable compared to Trek Travel, for instance).
    Most of my tours in the past have been of the cheaper do-most-of-it-
    yourself variety
    (e.g., Bicycle Tour of Colorado), with camping option.

    Quoted message said:


    Which level of Alpes-to-Paris tour are you doing
    (standard/deluxe/luxury)?

    Since I've never been before, and since AdH will be such a
    zoo this year due to the TT, and for the chance to have
    dinner with Bob Roll and Graham Watson, I booked the
    luxury tour (it filled up within 24 hours of being
    announced). We'll be spending 3 nights on l'Alpe d'Huez,
    about 1 km from the finish line...and, yes, I am
    completely stoked to be going!

    Quoted message said:


    --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
    chainreactionbicycles.comchainreactionbicycles.com

  8. Quoted message said:

    Since I've never been before, and since AdH will be such a
    zoo this year


    due

    Quoted message said:

    to the TT, and for the chance to have dinner with Bob Roll
    and Graham Watson, I booked the luxury tour (it filled up
    within 24 hours of being announced). We'll be spending 3
    nights on l'Alpe d'Huez, about 1 km from the finish
    line...and, yes, I am completely stoked to be going!

    Sounds like you're doing the same tour I am... and yes, I
    signed up about an hour after it went on-line (I was
    expecting it to go fast!). I'll be the guy taking a zillion
    photos with a digital camera while riding... and also
    heading back to my room in the evenings to update our
    website each day with photos from the TDF (which is why I
    went for a single room, along with the fact that it wouldn't
    be fair for someone else to have to put up with my
    snoring!).

    --Mike Jacoubowsky Chain Reaction Bicycles
    www.ChainReaction.com IMBA, BikesBelong, NBDA member

    "GaryG" <garyg@shasta_SPAMBEGONE_software.com> wrote in
    message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I was wondering if my fears were overblown. I had
    spoken recently to


    my

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    fiance's teenage son who travelled in Italy last
    summer. He reported several pickpocketing attempts
    while he was there, including one by a


    little

    Quoted message said:

    old lady who was "nearly 80 years old" (but, still had
    quick and deft


    hands

    Quoted message said:

    that she clearly put into his pocket as she brushed by
    him on the


    street).

    Quoted message said:


    For what it's worth, I've heard far more horror stories
    about Italy than


    I

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    have France, particularly areas around train stations in
    large cities.


    My

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    wife & daughter went on a school trip that spent a bit
    of time in Italy,


    and

    Quoted message said:

    the stories of the Gypsies, with their cardboard facades
    held in front


    of

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    them so you couldn't see them steal your stuff when they
    bumped into


    you...

    Quoted message said:

    pretty amazing. I never saw anything like that in
    France.

    Quoted message said:

    As for your experiences...wow...you must have some
    really good karma!! Perhaps you were a monk in a
    previous life, eh? <g> Anyway, it's good


    to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    hear that you don't have to stress over it too much.

    Have you traveled abroad previously? If not, don't dwell
    on the things


    that

    Quoted message said:

    might go wrong. Look forward to having a great time. The
    experience is amazing... although, frankly, you can
    remain fairly isolated from it


    when

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    you're on an organized tour. And don't get too hung up
    on everything working out a certain way, especially on a
    Graham Baxter tour.


    Sometimes

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the itinerary bears little resemblance to reality, but
    it's the changes


    and

    Quoted message said:

    surprises that often bring the most memorable
    experiences.

    Thanks...I normally have an Alfred E. Neuman attitude
    ("What, me worry?"😉, and rarely has it or my guardian
    angel let me down. I sense that the GB tour may be
    somewhat "eccentric", but I'm really looking forward to it


    (the

    Quoted message said:

    price was very reasonable compared to Trek Travel, for
    instance). Most of my tours in the past have been of the
    cheaper do-most-of-it-yourself


    variety

    Quoted message said:

    (e.g., Bicycle Tour of Colorado), with camping option.

    Quoted message said:


    Which level of Alpes-to-Paris tour are you doing


    (standard/deluxe/luxury)?

    Quoted message said:


    Since I've never been before, and since AdH will be such a
    zoo this year


    due

    Quoted message said:

    to the TT, and for the chance to have dinner with Bob Roll
    and Graham Watson, I booked the luxury tour (it filled up
    within 24 hours of being announced). We'll be spending 3
    nights on l'Alpe d'Huez, about 1 km from the finish
    line...and, yes, I am completely stoked to be going!

    Quoted message said:


    --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
    chainreactionbicycles.comchainreactionbicycles.com


  9. Quoted message said:

    Since I've never been before, and since AdH will be such a
    zoo this year


    due

    Quoted message said:

    to the TT, and for the chance to have dinner with Bob Roll
    and Graham Watson, I booked the luxury tour (it filled up
    within 24 hours of being announced). We'll be spending 3
    nights on l'Alpe d'Huez, about 1 km from the finish
    line...and, yes, I am completely stoked to be going!

    Sounds like you're doing the same tour I am... and yes, I
    signed up about an hour after it went on-line (I was
    expecting it to go fast!). I'll be the guy taking a zillion
    photos with a digital camera while riding... and also
    heading back to my room in the evenings to update our
    website each day with photos from the TDF (which is why I
    went for a single room, along with the fact that it wouldn't
    be fair for someone else to have to put up with my
    snoring!).

    --Mike Jacoubowsky Chain Reaction Bicycles
    www.ChainReaction.com IMBA, BikesBelong, NBDA member

    "GaryG" <garyg@shasta_SPAMBEGONE_software.com> wrote in
    message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I was wondering if my fears were overblown. I had
    spoken recently to


    my

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    fiance's teenage son who travelled in Italy last
    summer. He reported several pickpocketing attempts
    while he was there, including one by a


    little

    Quoted message said:

    old lady who was "nearly 80 years old" (but, still had
    quick and deft


    hands

    Quoted message said:

    that she clearly put into his pocket as she brushed by
    him on the


    street).

    Quoted message said:


    For what it's worth, I've heard far more horror stories
    about Italy than


    I

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    have France, particularly areas around train stations in
    large cities.


    My

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    wife & daughter went on a school trip that spent a bit
    of time in Italy,


    and

    Quoted message said:

    the stories of the Gypsies, with their cardboard facades
    held in front


    of

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    them so you couldn't see them steal your stuff when they
    bumped into


    you...

    Quoted message said:

    pretty amazing. I never saw anything like that in
    France.

    Quoted message said:

    As for your experiences...wow...you must have some
    really good karma!! Perhaps you were a monk in a
    previous life, eh? <g> Anyway, it's good


    to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    hear that you don't have to stress over it too much.

    Have you traveled abroad previously? If not, don't dwell
    on the things


    that

    Quoted message said:

    might go wrong. Look forward to having a great time. The
    experience is amazing... although, frankly, you can
    remain fairly isolated from it


    when

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    you're on an organized tour. And don't get too hung up
    on everything working out a certain way, especially on a
    Graham Baxter tour.


    Sometimes

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the itinerary bears little resemblance to reality, but
    it's the changes


    and

    Quoted message said:

    surprises that often bring the most memorable
    experiences.

    Thanks...I normally have an Alfred E. Neuman attitude
    ("What, me worry?"😉, and rarely has it or my guardian
    angel let me down. I sense that the GB tour may be
    somewhat "eccentric", but I'm really looking forward to it


    (the

    Quoted message said:

    price was very reasonable compared to Trek Travel, for
    instance). Most of my tours in the past have been of the
    cheaper do-most-of-it-yourself


    variety

    Quoted message said:

    (e.g., Bicycle Tour of Colorado), with camping option.

    Quoted message said:


    Which level of Alpes-to-Paris tour are you doing


    (standard/deluxe/luxury)?

    Quoted message said:


    Since I've never been before, and since AdH will be such a
    zoo this year


    due

    Quoted message said:

    to the TT, and for the chance to have dinner with Bob Roll
    and Graham Watson, I booked the luxury tour (it filled up
    within 24 hours of being announced). We'll be spending 3
    nights on l'Alpe d'Huez, about 1 km from the finish
    line...and, yes, I am completely stoked to be going!

    Quoted message said:


    --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
    chainreactionbicycles.comchainreactionbicycles.com


  10. On Thu, 20 May 2004 20:03:24 GMT, "Mike Jacoubowsky/Chain Reaction

    Bicycles said:
    Quoted message said:

    Since I've never been before, and since AdH will be such
    a zoo this year


    due

    Quoted message said:

    to the TT, and for the chance to have dinner with Bob
    Roll and Graham Watson, I booked the luxury tour (it
    filled up within 24 hours of being announced). We'll
    be spending 3 nights on l'Alpe d'Huez, about 1 km from
    the finish line...and, yes, I am completely stoked to
    be going!

    Sounds like you're doing the same tour I am... and yes, I
    signed up about an hour after it went on-line (I was
    expecting it to go fast!). I'll be the guy taking a zillion
    photos with a digital camera while riding... and also
    heading back to my room in the evenings to update our
    website each day with photos from the TDF (which is why I
    went for a single room, along with the fact that it
    wouldn't be fair for someone else to have to put up with my
    snoring!).

    Hi Mike. I hope you'll keep a verbose and keen journal and
    thrill us all with your exploits.

    BTW, I have a Metallic Black Trek 7500FX being brought in
    for me from out in the mid-west by my LBS guys, and they've
    promised to handle me with kid-gloves and see I get top-
    drawer treatment wrt the fitting.

    Wow, what a world, eh?

    I blame this all on you. <big grin> Thanks buddy.

    best, -B

    Quoted message said:


    --Mike Jacoubowsky Chain Reaction Bicycles
    www.ChainReaction.com IMBA, BikesBelong, NBDA member

  11. "Mike Jacoubowsky/Chain Reaction Bicycles" <[email hidden]> wrote
    in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Since I've never been before, and since AdH will be such
    a zoo this year


    due

    Quoted message said:

    to the TT, and for the chance to have dinner with Bob
    Roll and Graham Watson, I booked the luxury tour (it
    filled up within 24 hours of being announced). We'll be
    spending 3 nights on l'Alpe d'Huez, about 1 km


    from

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the finish line...and, yes, I am completely stoked to be
    going!

    Sounds like you're doing the same tour I am... and yes, I
    signed up about


    an

    Quoted message said:

    hour after it went on-line (I was expecting it to go
    fast!). I'll be the guy taking a zillion photos with a
    digital camera while riding... and also heading back to my
    room in the evenings to update our website each day


    with

    Quoted message said:

    photos from the TDF (which is why I went for a single
    room, along with the fact that it wouldn't be fair for
    someone else to have to put up with my snoring!).

    --Mike Jacoubowsky Chain Reaction Bicycles
    www.ChainReaction.com IMBA, BikesBelong, NBDA member

    Cool...look forward to meeting you there. I've enjoyed your
    postings and your website for quite some time. In fact, it
    was your comments on Graham Baxter's tours that convinced me
    to book with his company.

    I'll be the bald guy with a goatee on a black Trek 5200
    (shastasoftware.comBTC0035.htm ).

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    > I was wondering if my fears were overblown. I had
    > spoken recently


    to

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    > fiance's teenage son who travelled in Italy last
    > summer. He


    reported

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    > several pickpocketing attempts while he was there,
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    hands
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    street).

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    For what it's worth, I've heard far more horror
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    have France, particularly areas around train stations
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    My

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    and

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    the stories of the Gypsies, with their cardboard
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    them so you couldn't see them steal your stuff when
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    pretty amazing. I never saw anything like that in
    France.

    > As for your experiences...wow...you must have some
    > really good


    karma!!

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    > Perhaps you were a monk in a previous life, eh? <g>
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    good

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    Have you traveled abroad previously? If not, don't
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    that

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    might go wrong. Look forward to having a great time.
    The experience


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    amazing... although, frankly, you can remain fairly
    isolated from it


    when

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    you're on an organized tour. And don't get too hung up
    on everything working out a certain way, especially on
    a Graham Baxter tour.


    Sometimes

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    the itinerary bears little resemblance to reality, but
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    surprises that often bring the most memorable
    experiences.

    Thanks...I normally have an Alfred E. Neuman attitude
    ("What, me


    worry?"😉,

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    and rarely has it or my guardian angel let me down. I
    sense that the GB tour may be somewhat "eccentric", but
    I'm really looking forward to it


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    price was very reasonable compared to Trek Travel, for
    instance). Most


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    my tours in the past have been of the cheaper do-most-of-it-
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    (e.g., Bicycle Tour of Colorado), with camping option.

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    Which level of Alpes-to-Paris tour are you doing


    (standard/deluxe/luxury)?

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    Since I've never been before, and since AdH will be such
    a zoo this year


    due

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    to the TT, and for the chance to have dinner with Bob
    Roll and Graham Watson, I booked the luxury tour (it
    filled up within 24 hours of being announced). We'll be
    spending 3 nights on l'Alpe d'Huez, about 1 km


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    the finish line...and, yes, I am completely stoked to be
    going!

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    --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
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  12. GaryG said:


    I'll be the bald guy with a goatee on a black Trek 5200

    You painted a beard on your bike?!?

    Bill "slow afternoon" S.

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