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  1. Ok, I apologize in advance. I normally don't do politics on
    usenet, especially off topic, but I got a couple of very
    interesting and frightening e-mails tonight that I felt
    obligated to share...

    this year, so am sharing the following message:

    Quoted message said:

    You can make a HUGE differrence. I'm attaching an article
    I wrote that will explain more. Please also contact Ms.
    Harris at [email hidden] to find out how to get
    involved.

    best, Eric Tokyo

    Message follows:

    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: Eric A. Smith Hot Damn!
    Design 81-03-3959-5371 [email hidden]

    (please distribute widely.)

    An Emergency Call-to-Arms: A Five-Step Battle Plan for
    YOUR Future

    This is a call to arms to you -- as an American and a
    custodian of your nation's future. Please act as if your
    life depends on it -- it well might.

    We have been led down a dark, perilous road.

    The journey has touched us all, from mothers and fathers
    burying children in a war over nonexistent WMD, to
    firefighters and policemen promised vital funds only to be
    cheated and asked to work for free. Millions of Americans
    have been cut loose as corporations exploit foreign
    workers on the cheap and CEOs gorge themselves on riches
    unprecedented in history. While Americans take second and
    even third jobs just feed their families, the Bush
    Administration has poured America's wealth into the greedy
    hands of defense contractors and tax-dodging
    megacorporations, notorious companies like (#1 Bush
    donator Kenneth Lay's) Enron or Cheney's wartime ripoff-
    artists at Halliburton.

    Our environment, safety, economy, national security, labor
    protection and Constitutionally-guaranteed rights have all
    been gutted and left to die in a worker-hostile economy.

    NOW WE FIGHT BACK.

    Here's what we're facing:

    This November, the Bush election machine has more than
    three times the spending power of its opponenets(1)

    And they are fighting dirty, just as they did in 2000,
    when they purged Florida voter rolls(2), rioted to stop
    recounts(3), barred citizens from voting (ibid) and even
    threatened the Vice President and his family on their
    front lawn (4).

    This year, through gerrymandering, data theft from
    Congressional computers, impeachments and recess judicial
    appointments, they are trying to consolidate their
    unprecedented power. And they have a special election-
    season surprise in store for us as well -- as the AFL-CIO
    argued before the Supreme Court last December(5), the
    Bushites have MADE IT A CRIME FOR THIRD PARTIES TO
    CRITICIZE THE PRESIDENT OR SAY THINGS TO INFLUENCE THE
    ELECTION during the election's most critical phase:

    "This blackout will become national in scope on July 31,
    30 days before the August 30-September 2 Republican
    National Convention . . . and it will then continue
    without interruption throughout the remaining 60 days
    until the November 2 election. Thus, from July 31, 2004
    until the election, it will be a crime for a union,
    corporation, or incorporated non-profit organization to
    pay to broadcast any 'reference' to the President by
    'name,' 'photograph,' 'drawing' or other 'unambiguous'
    means anywhere in the United States." (6)

    They are ruthless, and will not concede victory without a
    vicious fight. Expect the outlawing of gay marriage to
    "divide and conquer", marginalize opponents and
    consolidate support from the religious right, a base
    estimated to be 30 million strong (7). Expect Ralph Nader
    to syphon off votes yet again. Expect the Supreme Court to
    halt recounts again. Expect a "surprise" discovery of WMD
    even after Blix, David Kay and Iraq's scientists saying
    they were all destroyed. (8) Expect the "suprise" capture
    or "destruction" of Bin Laden conveniently close to the
    election (9). Expect lots of scary terrorism warnings and
    perhaps even an attack.(10) General Tommy Franks has even
    suggested a second 9-11-scale attack will lead to martial
    law in America (11).

    None of this should deter you; remember it was the same
    group (Rumsfeld, Cheney, Baker, Bush Sr., Perle, etc.)
    that armed and funded Hussein and Bin Laden in the first
    place. The blood of our dead is therefore on their hands.

    We must not underestimate the ruthlessness of those
    willing to start an international war based on known and
    transparent lies -- virtually against the will of the
    entire planet. Make no mistake; they are willing to throw
    away American lives in their quest for global dominion.
    And if you rise up and oppose them, you may be bullied,
    harassed and threatened, perhaps even by the FBI.(12) YOU
    MUST NOT LET THIS DETER YOU. WE MUST NOT BE BULLIED INTO
    LETTING THEM SEIZE POWER AGAIN!

    For example, from the NY Times: "When a Times editorial
    writer dropped in on one Palm Beach precinct where there
    were reports of malfunctioning machines, county officials
    called the police to remove him."(ibid)

    And here we come to the deep, dark heart of the matter:

    This year 28% of the vote (and counting) will be tallied
    on electronic voting machines or scanners, which have been
    repeatedly hacked and can be used to fix an election --
    all without a trace. Below you'll find a link to the
    diagrammed, step-by-step report of how e-vote activist Bev
    Harris hacked one(13). If you think this is exaggeration,
    please follow the links listed below, where everything has
    been well-documented and by the NY Times, the Washington
    Post, CNN, ABC, CBS, the BBC, etc. (14)

    Once paperless, effortlessly hackable voting machines have
    been installed, the situation will be PERMANENT -- we will
    never know or be able to prove if an election has been
    stolen. And if it HAS -- those who have stolen it CAN
    NEVER BE VOTED OUT. And without the fear of voter
    reprisal, whoever takes advantage of such a situation
    could do literally anything they wanted and NEVER LOSE
    POWER. It will mean the end of Democracy. And if you work
    for an activist group, it will certainly mean the end of
    your organization.

    The truth is, electronic voting machines can be outfitted
    with printers within less than two days, at a minimal cost
    (15); and Diebold machines already have an internal
    printer (something the company has not been making public)
    and Sequoia machines have a rear serial port to which any
    of an infinite number of printers can attach easily.

    The Election Assistance Commission announced on March
    22nd they would have a 45-day public hearing on
    electronic voting.

    That means we now have 41 days to halt the spread of
    untraceable e-voting; and less than 41 days to prepare to
    fight the biggest power grab in human history.

    Do your part.

    Help save America.

    There will not be a second chance.

    A 5-STEP BATTLE PLAN:

    I. LOBBYING (20 minutes approximately)

    Tell your representatives to support Bills H.R. 2239 and
    ESPECIALLY 1980
    (14)

    Online e-petitions:
    mediafordemocracy.usevote
    truemajority.orgactionregister
    action.eff.orgindex.asp
    verifiedvoting.orgverifiedvoting.org workingforchange-workingforchange-
    .com/activism/petition.cfm?itemid=14993 thepet-thepet-
    itionsite.com/takeaction/348035553?ts=1079111375&sign[par-
    tn er_userID]=304336170&sign[memberID]=304336170&sign[par-
    tnerID]=1 blackboxvoting.orgcleanvote.html

    Congress senate.govsenate.gov Toll free: 1-800-839-5276
    visi.comcongress

    State elections boards blackboxvoting.orghtdo
    cs/dcforum/DCForumID29/47.html

    State Attorneys General
    naag.orgfull ag table.php

    State Election Officials nased.orgnased.org

    Members, Natl. Assoc. of County Recorders, Election
    Officials and Clerks
    nacrc.orgst coord.htm

    Penelope Bonsall, national director of the Office of
    Election Administration Office of Election Administration
    Federal Election Commission 999 E Street, NW Washington,
    DC 20463 [email hidden]
    (202) 694-1095 (phone)
    (202) 219-8500 (fax)

    II. MEDIA BLITZ (one to three hours approximately) Write
    a ltter and email or fax it to Radio & tv stations,
    newspapers & magazines in your area:
    dmoz.orgNews
    newslink.orgnewslink.org
    cantufind.comamerican newspapers.htm htt-
    p://dmoz.org/Arts/Radio/Formats/Talk_Radio/Networks/
    dmoz.orgStatio
    ns/ dmoz.orgCable
    dmoz.orgNetworks dmo-dmo-
    z.org/Computers/Internet/Broadcasting/Information/

    National Media Contacts: CBS Evening News 212-975-3691
    [email hidden]

    NBC Nightly News 212-664-4971 [email hidden]

    Peter Jennings : ABC World News Tonight Tel : (212) 456-
    4025, Fax : (212) 456-2381 [email hidden]

    Washington Post : [email hidden],
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    New York Times: [email hidden], [email hidden],
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    [email hidden], [email hidden] USA Today:
    [email hidden] Houston Chronicle:
    [email hidden] San Francisco Chronicle:
    [email hidden] Los Angeles Times:
    [email hidden] Chicago Tribune: ctc-
    [email hidden] Washington Post:
    [email hidden] Newsday: [email hidden] New York
    Daily News: [email hidden]

    CNN HeadLine News executives : [email hidden],
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    III. WITNESS E-VOTE EVALUATIONS (one afternoon) Ask your
    elections board (about any e-voting purchase
    evaluations meetings to be held in your district. As
    a member of the voting public, it is your legal right
    to attend as a witness, although, out of convenience,
    they may try to avoid giving you the information.
    Insist on your rights.

    If you do attend as a witness, you may well be a victim of
    intimidation tactics. Insist on voter-verified paper
    ballots. Bev Harris has written comprehensive answers to
    arguments you will hear. DO NOT BACK DOWN OR BE
    INTIMIDATED BY CIVIL SERVANTS -- they are your EMPLOYEES,
    paid by YOUR TAXES:

    From Bev Harris, blackboxvoting.orgblackboxvoting.org

    Assertion: "Upgrading the printer already in the (Diebold)
    machine costs money" Fact: Diebold has stated in writing
    that their pre-installed internal printers are sufficient
    to generate a voter-verified paper trail.

    Assertion: "The paper is very expensive" Fact: No, thermal
    paper is the cheapest made. And with an estimated maximmum
    of 300 people voting at each touch screen. A LARGE
    precinct may have seven touch screens, but many have just
    two or three. It might cost $15 per precinct to print
    those ballots.

    Assertion: "The paper won't last" Fact: If the report to
    be by the machine will last the required amount of time,
    the ballots will too, if printed on the same paper. The
    printer is there to report totals at the polling place.

    Assertion: "the machines will jam" Fact: The printer is
    similar to models used in supermarkets and WalMart.
    Remember: the total number of transactions, will be about
    300. Do supermarket and WalMart printers jam every 15
    sales? No; They process thousands of printouts without
    jamming.

    Assertion: "the ink will run out" Fact: There is no ink in
    a thermal printer

    Question: "If a paper ballot record doesn't match a
    machine record, which is the legal vote?" Fact: The voter-
    verified paper must trump the machine unless a mechanical
    defect or fraud is shown, because it is a physical record
    seen and verified by thousands of individual voters,
    whereas the machine is bits and bytes that can be changed
    by a single technician!

    Assertion: "Paper ballot systems have been tampered with"
    Fact: Yes, and machines have been frequently wrong as
    well. Do not allow sidetracking of the discussion or
    assertions that you are "against electronic voting" -- no,
    we want them to put paper in a printer and use it for
    auditing.

    Assertion: "Officials won't know what to do with paper
    ballots and new laws must be written." Fact: Laws and
    procedures set up for optical scans are applicable.

    Assertion: "A paper trail will only lead to demands for
    more complicated and stringent auditing" Fact: Yes, it
    will. We're asking for that anyway, with optical scanning.
    It is still be cheap and efficient compared to many of the
    changes currently being implemented to accomodate the
    sales of more touchscreen machines.

    Question: "Why use machines at all if you're demanding
    paper ballots?" Fact: Voting machines are helpful for the
    visually impaired

    Assertion: "Paper ballots prevent the visually impaired
    from voting" Facts: Wheelchair-assisted voters can use a
    touch screen with the same efficiency whether or not there
    is a paper printout, and the visually-impaired are can be
    provided with headphones for these machines. Nor does a
    paper printout hinder their ability to vote.

    Alternatives to the Diebold, Sequoia and ES&S machines
    (operated by heavily partisan CEOs, designed to operate
    WITHOUT a paper trail, and whose code and components are
    not allowed to be examined) exist.

    Avante Systems has a machine that shows a printout through
    a glass screen. After the voter confirms it is correct,
    the paper ballot is droped into a storage box so it can be
    checked against the machine totals and the AccuPoll system
    has a scanner that can pass over the printed ballot to
    verify votes.

    Sequioa machines can be attached to normal printers. If
    your group has some at its disposal, by all means,
    bring them.

    Alternative, secure e-voting machines you can suggest to
    your elections officials: accupoll.comaccupoll.com
    aitechnology.comhome.html

    IV. VOLUNTEER ELECTIONS MONITORING (three days
    approximately, including preliminary training)
    Vootewatch is organizing election monitor volunteers
    here: votewatch.usregister.php

    Bev Harris has outlined a point-by-point strategy on
    specifically what to look for when monitoring electronic
    voting machines. It is also recommended that you either
    download her free e-book "Black Box Voting", or better
    yet, purchase it here: blackboxvoting.orgblackboxvoting.org

    From Bev Harris, blackboxvoting.orgblackboxvoting.org

    CITIZEN WATCHDOGS: What to look for and report -- Let's
    get good at this before November!

    Optical-scan systems and absentee ballots: We have
    information that all systems recognize carbon-containing
    marks (soft lead pencil). Some DO NOT recognize all inks.
    You may want to bring a soft lead pencil to the polling
    place with you to mark your optical-scan ballots.

    All Diebold counties (AccuVote and AccuTouch are Diebold
    brands) -- Demand that the poll workers print a report and
    post a copy at the polling place at the end of the day,
    whether they are required to or not. All Diebold machines,
    both touch-screen and optical-scan, contain internal
    printers and have the ability to print a polling place
    results report. This takes 60 seconds and costs nothing,
    and is an important check and balance to compare with the
    county results from the GEMS system, which we believe to
    contain security flaws. Votes should not change from the
    polling place to the county.

    Report any instance of mismatched polling place/county
    tabulations here. Do NOT accept the excuse that they won't
    match because early votes, absentee, provisional, or
    challenge votes were added into the polling place totals.
    That is called "co-mingling" the data and is not an
    acceptable record-keeping practice. Additional categories
    of votes must be accounted for as separate line items.

    Sequoia touch-screens do not have an internal printer. A
    printer can easily be hooked up with a serial port. If you
    see printers, demand a polling place report.

    Watch for any "wandering vote tallies" on election night,
    especially if any votes go DOWN. (Yes, this has been known
    to happen).

    Late poll openings: Report these immediately and we'll try
    to get cameras there. This is a form of vote suppression,
    often occurring in minority areas.

    Late vote results: Report late incoming tallies. These can
    be indicative of the county trying to resolve voting
    machine anomalies before filing reports.

    Observe how many cords come in and out of the voting
    machines. Report any evidence of networking the machines
    together. Report any time you see more than a simple power
    cord plugged in while the election is in progress.

    Wardrive election sites. See if you can pick up wireless
    signals either during or after the election. Wireless
    communication is not permitted. Also, report any use of
    cell phones for vote transfers, which is also not
    permitted.

    Election workers: Report the procedures used for training
    if they seem insecure. For example, we have already had
    reports that in Georgia, some poll workers were told to
    take voting machines home after training; Georgia flag
    artwork was uploaded right before the election; and other
    unwise and insecure procedures were followed.

    Go visit the polling place at the end of the day and see
    how secure it is. We had reports recently of machines left
    in the polling place unattended.

    Felony watch: In some states, IT IS A FELONY for
    technicians who are not sworn elections officials to touch
    the vote database in any way, shape or form after votes
    have been cast. In fact, if you look at Chapter 13 of
    Black Box Voting, the San Luis Obispo incident was
    probably illegal (Diebold tech Sophia Lee was tied to a
    live vote database that appeared on the Internet five
    hours before the polls closed).

    Watch for statistical anomalies. Look at everything. Time
    is of the essence, as these analyses take some time and
    there are only a few days before the election is
    certified.

    V. LEGAL CHALLENGES (indeterminate)

    Author Lynn Landes has questioned the constitutionality of
    voting machines.
    ecotalk.orgVotingMachinesUnconstitutional.htm

    If your organization has the wherewithal to raise a legal
    challenge on these (or other grounds) here are some
    resources below:

    Election campaign and civil rights lawyers listed for
    every city: lawyers.findlaw.comEl
    ection%20Campaign%20&%20Politic al%20Law
    lawyers.findlaw.comCivil%20Rights

    Institute for Justice: ij.orgindex.shtml

    Center for Indiviual Rights: cir-cir-
    usa.org/intake.html

    Class actions:
    bigclassaction.comcivil rights.html

    Southeastern Legal Foundation:
    southeasternlegal.orgsoutheasternlegal.org

    Electronic Frontier Foundation attorneys: [email hidden]
    [email hidden] [email hidden] [email hidden] [email hidden]
    [email hidden]

    Other challenges: palmbeachpost.compalmbeachpost.com
    content/auto/epaper/editions/tuesday/
    local_news_04d49255058760a400d8.html
    electionguardians.orgactions.htm
    blackboxvoting.orgdieboldlawsuit.pdf

    Pax Christi is also organizing an international group of
    elections monitors. More information here:
    paxchristiusa.orgnews events more.asp

    REFERENCES

    1 (GOP:$115,667,827 ; Dems:$44,175,502).
    opensecrets.orgindex.asp

    2. Greg Palast, Harper's Magazine "The Great Florida Ex-
    Con Game"
    gregpalast.comdetail.cfm

    3 a."Unprecedented" -- internet preview of the film
    unprecedented.orgUnprecedentedPreview.htm

    3 b. Lynn Landes: "Mission Impossible - Federal Observers
    & Voting Machines"
    ecotalk.orgFederalObservers.htm

    4. Barabara Walters interview"The Note": freerepublic.comf
    news/791744/posts

    5.McConnell vs the Federal Election Commission
    oyez.org1637

    6. villagevoice.comhentoff.php

    7. "Bush Assures Evangelicals of Commitment to Marriage
    Amendment" nytimes.compolitics
    /12EVAN.html?pagewanted=print&posi tion

    8a. Online Journal: "Wag the Osama" onlinejour-onlinejour-
    nal.com/Commentary/031004Burns/031004burns.html

    8b.NewsNet5: "Ridge Sidesteps Question On Bin Laden's
    Capture" newsnet5.comdetail.html

    9. U.S. Unloading WMD in Iraq tehrantimes.com-tehrantimes.com-
    /Description.asp?Da=3/13/2004&Cat=4&Num=011

    10. Aljazeera.net: "Purported Al Qaida Statement" english.aljazeera.net2CDD53D6 7AF7
    40C7-AF88-32A16072F81B. htm

    11. NewsMax: "Tommy Franks: 'Martial Law Will Replace
    Constitution After Next Terror Attack'"
    infowars.comfranks martial.htm

    12. The New McCarthyism, the Progressive:
    progressive.orgroth0102.html

    NY Times: "Florida as the next Florida"
    nytimes.com14SUN1.html

    13. Scoop: "Inside a US Election Vote Counting Program"
    scoop.co.nzS00065.htm

    14a. NY Times: "Hack the Vote"
    truthout.org120303A.shtml

    b. CBS: "Electronic Voting Causing Concern" --
    cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/03/eveningnews/main59118-
    5.shtml

    c. UK Independent: "All the President's Votes?" commondreams.org1013
    01.htm

    d. Salon: "Will the Election be Hacked?" archive-archive-
    .salon.com/tech/feature/2004/02/09/voting_machines/i-
    ndex_np.ht ml

    e. BBC: "Concerns over US Computer Voting"
    news.bbc.co.uk3489877.stm

    f. ABC News: "Avoiding Another Florida Fiasco"s.go.com/sections/GMA/SciTech/Voting_machines_040305-
    1.html

    g. "Comparison of Senate Bills 1980, 1986, and 2045"
    verifiedvoting.orgsenate bill compariso
    n.asp

    15 "TrueVoteMD Supporters Testify at State Senate Hearing"
    truevotemd.orgtruevotemd.org

    You are encouraged to distribute this document freely
    and widely.

    Contact: Eric A. Smith, Hot Damn! Design, Tokyo, Japan ?
    81-03-3959-5371

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    Sprout the Mung Bean to reply...

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  2. "Katra" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Ok, I apologize in advance.

    So you should!

  3. "Katra" <> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    Ok, I apologize in advance.

    Quoted message said:

    this year, so am sharing the following message:

    people to do the opposite of what you want. You just secured
    my vote for GWB.

  4. What's even scarier is that someone actually takes the time
    to read the garbage in their inbox.

    nb

  5. Edwin Pawlowski said:

    "Katra" <> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    Ok, I apologize in advance.


    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    this year, so am sharing the following message:


    Quoted message said:

    people to do the opposite of what you want. You just
    secured my vote for GWB.

    Kinda like a spammer? No matter how good the spammed product
    is or may be, I will *NEVER* buy from a spammer.

    BOB

  6. Edwin Pawlowski said:

    "Katra" <> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    Ok, I apologize in advance.


    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    this year, so am sharing the following message:


    Quoted message said:

    people to do the opposite of what you want. You just
    secured my vote for GWB.

    You're making your decision on something this important
    because somebody posted an OT post to a newsgroup? That's
    pretty scary, if true.

    I hadn't heard about this before. I can hardly believe
    it. Whatever happened to Free Speech in the US? It
    appears to be dead.

    Electronic voting sounds a great idea but what I have
    read about it is extremely dangerous and much too easy
    to corrupt.

    Doug

  7. "Doug Weller" <[email hidden]> wrote
    in message

    Quoted message said:

    You're making your decision on something this important
    because somebody posted an OT post to a newsgroup? That's
    pretty scary, if true.

    No, my mind has been made up since the Democrat primary.
    I'll not vote for Kerry. Narrows the field quite a bit.
    Scary, but Nader looks better than Kerry. I'd like to see a
    really good third party, but it will never happen.

    As for free speech, I'm in favor if it, but not in my face.
    OT postings to newsgroups is almost as bad as having someone
    barge into your living room and making their pitch in the
    name of "free speech" What would you do if you gave a party
    and a guest started making a strong political speech to your
    assembled guests? Ed [email hidden]
    pages.cthome.netedhome

  8. On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 14:16:31 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:


    "Katra" <> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    Ok, I apologize in advance.


    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    this year, so am sharing the following message:


    Quoted message said:

    people to do the opposite of what you want. You just
    secured my vote for GWB.


    Oh, yeah...as if you were wavering and this swayed you. What

    Doesn't speak much for you, your political convictions or
    decision making, now does it?

    OT posts are pretty common around here. Do you rail at
    all of them this way, or just the ones whose politics
    you dislike?

    This was not the first political post by anyone on this
    group. and I wager it won't be the last, especially in an
    election year.

    Boron

  9. "Katra" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Ok, I apologize in advance. I normally don't do politics
    on usenet, especially off topic,

    <snip>

    Apology accepted, but don't do it again. Neither rfc nor any
    non-political newsgroup should have to suffer six-plus
    months of political [censored] from ANY side.

    Felice

  10. Doug Weller said:

    I hadn't heard about this before. I can hardly believe
    it. Whatever happened to Free Speech in the US? It
    appears to be dead.

    You obviously have no clue what free speech really
    means, do you?

    Free speech gives you the right to state your opinions
    freely, but it doesn't give you the right to come into my
    business or bedroom and say it using a bullhorn.

    Government can't control what you say, but they certainly
    can control *how* you express yourself. That is free
    speech. Get it?

    poodles.

    -sw

  11. "Doug Weller" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Edwin Pawlowski said:

    "Katra" <> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    Ok, I apologize in advance.


    re-installed

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
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    this year, so am sharing the following message:


    incite

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    people to do the opposite of what you want. You just
    secured my vote


    for

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    GWB.

    You're making your decision on something this important
    because somebody posted an OT post to a newsgroup? That's
    pretty scary, if true.

    Indeed.

    Quoted message said:

    I hadn't heard about this before. I can hardly believe it.
    Whatever happened to Free Speech in the US? It appears to
    be dead.

    It was killed. The law is genuine and will be enforced,
    better believe it. Already they are going after the 527s.
    Those are independent parties that post political ads, such
    as Moveon.org. The right-wing is trying to shut them down
    and by doing this they will stifle the voices of their
    opponents. The republican machine is very well funded by
    corporate America but the 527 is truly the voice of the
    people and if it falls so will democracy. It's not hyperbole
    either, it's in the courts right now.

    Quoted message said:

    Electronic voting sounds a great idea but what I have read
    about it is extremely dangerous and much too easy to
    corrupt.

    And not one time have any of the "computer errors" generated
    so much as 1 extra vote for a non-republican candidate. All
    discrepancies favor republicans and the major voting machine
    companies are all owned by partisan republicans. One need
    not be a CT type to know that it is just too easy to throw
    elections when you cannot even so much as hold a recount as
    with computer voting machines.

    Paul

  12. "Katra" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Ok, I apologize in advance. I normally don't do politics
    on usenet, especially off topic, but I got a couple of
    very interesting and frightening e-mails tonight that I
    felt obligated to share...

    Quoted message said:

    this year, so am sharing the following message:

    Quoted message said:

    The FBI revealed today that Captain Kangaroo is actually
    alive and in charge of the Oval Office. Secretary of
    State, William Greenjeans, released the names of two
    more Cabinet Members. National Security Advisor, Bun E.
    Rabbit and Attorney General Dancing Bear.

  13. "Katra" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Ok, I apologize in advance. I normally don't do politics
    on usenet, especially off topic, but I got a couple of
    very interesting and frightening e-mails tonight that I
    felt obligated to share...

    Quoted message said:

    this year, so am sharing the following message:

    Please lay off of the aerosol can huffing.

  14. "Edwin Pawlowski" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Katra" <> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    Ok, I apologize in advance.


    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    this year, so am sharing the following message:


    incite

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    people to do the opposite of what you want. You just
    secured my vote for GWB.

    LMFAO

  15. Katra said:

    Ok, I apologize in advance. I normally don't do politics on
    usenet, especially off topic, but I got a couple of very
    interesting and frightening e-mails tonight that I felt
    obligated to share...

    Quoted message said:

    this year, so am sharing the following message:


    <snip>

    Yes, all of it is very scary and depressing. They're
    ruthless, and they'll stop at nothing to stay in power...

    But, hey, at least you're among kindred spirits, there in
    liberal Austin. I live in "Tom DeLay land" (this is his
    territory--his house is less than a mile away) -- home of
    the greedy idiots.

  16. "Paul M. Cook©®" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Doug Weller" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 14:16:31 GMT, Edwin Pawlowski > It
    was killed. The


    law is genuine and will be enforced, better believe it.

    Quoted message said:

    Already they are going after the 527s. Those are
    independent parties that post political ads, such as
    Moveon.org. The right-wing is trying to shut them down and
    by doing this they will stifle the voices of their


    opponents.

    Quoted message said:

    The republican machine is very well funded by corporate
    America but the


    527

    Quoted message said:

    is truly the voice of the people and if it falls so will
    democracy. It's not hyperbole either, it's in the courts
    right now.

    Quoted message said:

    Electronic voting sounds a great idea but what I have
    read about it is extremely dangerous and much too easy
    to corrupt.

    And not one time have any of the "computer errors"
    generated so much as 1 extra vote for a non-republican
    candidate. All discrepancies favor republicans and the
    major voting machine companies are all owned by


    partisan

    Quoted message said:

    republicans. One need not be a CT type to know that it is
    just too easy


    to

    Quoted message said:

    throw elections when you cannot even so much as hold a
    recount as with computer voting machines.

    Paul

    My problem is that most I deal with are under the assumption
    that GOP stands for God's Own Party. Heaven forbid you speak
    ill of Bushie, you are committing blaspheme and are
    condemned to hell. =Ginny

  17. "Virginia Tadrzynski" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Paul M. Cook©®" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Doug Weller" <[email hidden]> wrote
    in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 14:16:31 GMT, Edwin Pawlowski > It
    was killed.


    The

    Quoted message said:

    law is genuine and will be enforced, better believe it.

    Quoted message said:

    Already they are going after the 527s. Those are
    independent parties


    that

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    post political ads, such as Moveon.org. The right-wing
    is trying to


    shut

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    them down and by doing this they will stifle the voices
    of their


    opponents.

    Quoted message said:

    The republican machine is very well funded by corporate
    America but the


    527

    Quoted message said:

    is truly the voice of the people and if it falls so will
    democracy.


    It's

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    not hyperbole either, it's in the courts right now.

    Quoted message said:

    Electronic voting sounds a great idea but what I have
    read about it is extremely dangerous and much too easy
    to corrupt.

    And not one time have any of the "computer errors"
    generated so much as


    1

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    extra vote for a non-republican candidate. All
    discrepancies favor republicans and the major voting
    machine companies are all owned by


    partisan

    Quoted message said:

    republicans. One need not be a CT type to know that it
    is just too easy


    to

    Quoted message said:

    throw elections when you cannot even so much as hold a
    recount as with computer voting machines.

    Paul

    My problem is that most I deal with are under the
    assumption that GOP


    stands

    Quoted message said:

    for God's Own Party. Heaven forbid you speak ill of
    Bushie, you are committing blaspheme and are condemned to
    hell. =Ginny

    Try dissing Saint Ronnie if you want to see them come
    totally unhinged.

    Paul

  18. "Paul M. Cook©®" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Virginia Tadrzynski" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Paul M. Cook©®" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Doug Weller" <[email hidden]> wrote
    in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...
    > On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 14:16:31 GMT, Edwin Pawlowski >
    > It was killed.


    The

    Quoted message said:

    law is genuine and will be enforced, better believe it.

    Quoted message said:

    Already they are going after the 527s. Those are
    independent parties


    that

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    post political ads, such as Moveon.org. The right-wing
    is trying to


    shut

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    them down and by doing this they will stifle the
    voices of their


    opponents.

    Quoted message said:

    The republican machine is very well funded by
    corporate America but


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    527

    Quoted message said:

    is truly the voice of the people and if it falls so
    will democracy.


    It's

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    not hyperbole either, it's in the courts right now.

    > Electronic voting sounds a great idea but what I
    > have read about it


    is

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > extremely dangerous and much too easy to corrupt.

    And not one time have any of the "computer errors"
    generated so much


    as

    Quoted message said:

    1

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    extra vote for a non-republican candidate. All
    discrepancies favor republicans and the major voting
    machine companies are all owned by


    partisan

    Quoted message said:

    republicans. One need not be a CT type to know that it
    is just too


    easy

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    to

    Quoted message said:

    throw elections when you cannot even so much as hold a
    recount as with computer voting machines.

    Paul

    My problem is that most I deal with are under the
    assumption that GOP


    stands

    Quoted message said:

    for God's Own Party. Heaven forbid you speak ill of
    Bushie, you are committing blaspheme and are condemned
    to hell. =Ginny

    Try dissing Saint Ronnie if you want to see them come
    totally unhinged.

    Paul


    Ah yes, Ronny Raygun, the fourth member of the Trinity.

  19. GOP means Grand Old Party

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    My problem is that most I deal with are under the
    assumption that GOP


    stands

    Quoted message said:

    for God's Own Party. Heaven forbid you speak ill of
    Bushie, you are committing blaspheme and are condemned
    to hell. =Ginny

    Try dissing Saint Ronnie if you want to see them come
    totally unhinged.

    Paul

  20. "mondaymorning" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    GOP means Grand Old Party

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    My problem is that most I deal with are under the
    assumption that GOP


    stands

    Quoted message said:

    for God's Own Party. Heaven forbid you speak ill of
    Bushie, you are committing blaspheme and are condemned
    to hell. =Ginny

    Try dissing Saint Ronnie if you want to see them come
    totally unhinged.

    Paul


    I know what it means, you know what it means, but the
    religious zealots honestly believe that God is a Republican.
    If that is true, by action, Jesus was a Social Democrat, so
    is the Godhead schizophrenic? -Ginny

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