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  1. stern.deindex.html

    (in German)

  2. Torben Rucker said:

    stern.deindex.html

    (in German)

    Can someone translate it into English?  I tried translating the article through Babelfish, but it
    makes Ullrich sound like Yoda:

    "The favorite are you, says Armstrong, because your best year before you lies. Does this
    statement already belong to its Psychotricks? Clearly, that was typical for Lance. Only, as five
    times route winners can he not the pressure with me unload. But a purposeful disturbance of the
    peace is that already."

    Help with grammar, I need.  :-)

    J. Spaceman

  3. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Quoted message said:
    Torben Rucker said:

    stern.deindex.html

    (in German)

    Can someone translate it into English?  I tried translating the article through Babelfish, but it
    makes Ullrich sound like Yoda:

    "The favorite are you, says Armstrong, because your best year before you lies. Does this statement
    already belong to its Psychotricks? Clearly, that was typical for Lance. Only, as five times route
    winners can he not the pressure with me unload. But a purposeful disturbance of the peace is that
    already."

    Help with grammar, I need.  :-)

    J. Spaceman

    Yes, in german grammar you talk.

  4. "Jason Spaceman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Torben Rucker said:

    stern.deindex.html

    (in German)

    Can someone translate it into English? I tried translating the article

    Here goes... but it's been 18 years since I lived in Austria... so I make absolutely no promises as
    to accuracy.

    Mr. Ullrich, you are the last hope for cycling. Now that the TfF route has been revealed, can you
    defeat the perennial winner Lance Armstrong.

    Lance says I'm his biggest motivation. There are other strong riders. Like Boloki and Vino. Lance
    won't have it easy the next few years.

    Amstrong says you are the favorite because your best years are still ahead of you. Is that statement
    just a psychological trick?

    Obviously, that's typical Lance. But as a five time tour winner, he can't pass the pressure to me.
    But that was a warning shot.

    Are you the only one he's afraid of?

    He concentrates on our duel. He loves a one on one fight.

    Sometimes Armstrong likes to picture his opponent as his enemy so that in the saddle he can become
    the fighter. Do you need that kind of adversarial relationship?

    No I like it to prove it to myself. I like riding a bike. After all the problems and knee
    operations, I've realized this isn't just a job. This is my passion. And I know I can win the Tour
    again. That motivates me.

    Is your biggest opponent Jan Ullrich?

    Yea... that's an interesting idea. Amstrong needs me as a rival in order to motivate himself. I
    don't need to do that, so yea, I am my biggest opponent. There are enough days I have to force
    myself to get in the saddle. You have to get out whether its raining, freezing, or snowing.
    Sometimes training hurts, but now I've taken on these challenges... that's the new Ullrich. I used
    to roll through the kilometers, but that's not me anymore. That year of inactivity changed me. I
    listen to my body and am more open to new forms of training. Before I just did everything the same
    way, and I was successful. But that's not me anymore. So, I'll be ready to train at the first of
    December in Mallorca.

    Were you surprised that Armstrong changed his preparation?

    That takes some courage. At the tour this year I saw an Armstrong I hadn't seen before. He suffered,
    weakened, and showed emotion. He rode with us and saved his strength where he could. He probably
    feels I've become dangerous.

    How is your relationship?

    Small talk when I run into him... nothing more. I wouldn't mind going for a beer with him, but as
    long as he sees me as an opponent, that's not possible. When the career is over a man can be more
    like himself than he is while fighting, because he doesn't have anything to lose. I like to know if
    he really is like he is. But he certainly isn't going to tell me that right now.

    In his book, Armstrong writes that he doesn't think you waited after his fall in the Tour?

    Nonsense. I was clearly not riding at 100%. Maybe I'm too nice, but that might be because I don't
    need an opponent to get motivated. I'm a fair man and I've chosen my path.

    Do his claims annoy you?

    No. I know that you have to put that kind of thing in a book. What bothers me is after the race he
    said how bad he was to only win by one minute. That devalued my achievement. But that's probably his
    mindset. He's not going to stop being a Texan.

    Next year can you show him you have the best team?

    I hope so. For me there's only one goal, I'm going to go after the tour win like never before.

    You're coming back to Telekom that next year will be known as T-Mobile. Of all the stars there,
    won't that hurt Eric Zabel the most?

    Naturally he's gone after the green jersey like no other. But when you're on a team going after the
    yellow jersey, we shouldn't use up a lot of energy supporting Eric. In 96 and 97 we won both
    jerseys, but that's not going to happen today.

    So you don't need Zabel at all?

    Absolutely. We need Eric on the team. He's a very good team time trialist. But only a selected few
    can win the tour, and the others must be completely dedicated to that. I would also become a
    domesteque if Vino were the better one.

    (There's more but I've run out of time)

  5. you missed the part about Ulrich saying Armstrong is the biggest mommas boy to ever come out of
    Texas. and he should be a bass fisherman instead of a cyclist so he could kick the bass's
    ass's.........

  6. Nice job with the translation, much appreciated.

  7. "Torben Rucker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    stern.deindex.html

    (in German)

    It sounds as though the message from Ullrich is that Armstrong uses and or needs Ullrich as
    motivation. On the otherhand Jan see's the competition between himself and the TDF to motivate him.

    This could be a potential weakness for Jan since he might not possibly benchmark himself adequately
    benchmark himself against Lance. But Jan is motivated make no mistake about it.

  8. See if this translation link is any better.

    http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.stern.de%2Fsport-motor%2Fsportwelt%2Findex.html%3Fid%3D518001&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&newwindow=1&safe=off&prev=%2Flanguage_tools

  9. From the interview I respect Ullrich and I think it is a mistake for Ullrich not reciprocating and
    thinking of Lance as his enemy as Lance thinks of Ullrich. It certainly helps motivate Lance to
    single the best opponent out in the Tour and compete against him. I think Ullrich needs to do the
    same and train like Lance in the mountains. Ullrich certainly has the talent, but the victory goes
    to those who want, sacrifice, and try the most.

    I don't want to take away from Lance's achievements but you have to feel a little sorry for Jan.

    "Heinz Getzler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Torben Rucker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    stern.deindex.html

    (in German)

    It sounds as though the message from Ullrich is that Armstrong uses and or needs Ullrich as
    motivation. On the otherhand Jan see's the competition between himself and the TDF to
    motivate him.

    This could be a potential weakness for Jan since he might not possibly benchmark himself
    adequately benchmark himself against Lance. But Jan is motivated make no mistake about it.

  10. Here's the rest...

    "Bestest Handsander" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Jason Spaceman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message -"]news:[email hidden]-
    berlin.de...

    Quoted message said:
    Torben Rucker said:

    stern.deindex.html

    (in German)

    Can someone translate it into English? I tried translating the article

    Here goes... but it's been 18 years since I lived in Austria... so I make absolutely no promises
    as to accuracy.

    Mr. Ullrich, you are the last hope for cycling. Now that the TfF route


    has

    Quoted message said:

    been revealed, can you defeat the perennial winner Lance Armstrong.

    Lance says I'm his biggest motivation. There are other strong riders.


    Like

    Quoted message said:

    Boloki and Vino. Lance won't have it easy the next few years.

    Amstrong says you are the favorite because your best years are still ahead of you. Is that
    statement just a psychological trick?

    Obviously, that's typical Lance. But as a five time tour winner, he can't pass the pressure to me.
    But that was a warning shot.

    Are you the only one he's afraid of?

    He concentrates on our duel. He loves a one on one fight.

    Sometimes Armstrong likes to picture his opponent as his enemy so that in the saddle he can become
    the fighter. Do you need that kind of


    adversarial

    Quoted message said:

    relationship?

    No I like it to prove it to myself. I like riding a bike. After all the problems and knee
    operations, I've realized this isn't just a job. This


    is

    Quoted message said:

    my passion. And I know I can win the Tour again. That motivates me.

    Is your biggest opponent Jan Ullrich?

    Yea... that's an interesting idea. Amstrong needs me as a rival in order


    to

    Quoted message said:

    motivate himself. I don't need to do that, so yea, I am my biggest opponent. There are enough days
    I have to force myself to get in the saddle. You have to get out whether its raining, freezing, or
    snowing. Sometimes training hurts, but now I've taken on these challenges... that's the new
    Ullrich. I used to roll through the kilometers, but that's not me anymore. That year of inactivity
    changed me. I listen to my body and am


    more

    Quoted message said:

    open to new forms of training. Before I just did everything the same way, and I was successful.
    But that's not me anymore. So, I'll be ready to


    train

    Quoted message said:

    at the first of December in Mallorca.

    Were you surprised that Armstrong changed his preparation?

    That takes some courage. At the tour this year I saw an Armstrong I hadn't seen before. He
    suffered, weakened, and showed emotion. He rode with us


    and

    Quoted message said:

    saved his strength where he could. He probably feels I've become


    dangerous.

    Quoted message said:


    How is your relationship?

    Small talk when I run into him... nothing more. I wouldn't mind going for


    a

    Quoted message said:

    beer with him, but as long as he sees me as an opponent, that's not possible. When the career is
    over a man can be more like himself than he


    is

    Quoted message said:

    while fighting, because he doesn't have anything to lose. I like to know


    if

    Quoted message said:

    he really is like he is. But he certainly isn't going to tell me that


    right

    Quoted message said:

    now.

    In his book, Armstrong writes that he doesn't think you waited after his fall in the Tour?

    Nonsense. I was clearly not riding at 100%. Maybe I'm too nice, but that might be because I don't
    need an opponent to get motivated. I'm a fair man and I've chosen my path.

    Do his claims annoy you?

    No. I know that you have to put that kind of thing in a book. What


    bothers

    Quoted message said:

    me is after the race he said how bad he was to only win by one minute.


    That

    Quoted message said:

    devalued my achievement. But that's probably his mindset. He's not going to stop being a Texan.

    Next year can you show him you have the best team?

    I hope so. For me there's only one goal, I'm going to go after the tour


    win

    Quoted message said:

    like never before.

    You're coming back to Telekom that next year will be known as T-Mobile. Of all the stars there,
    won't that hurt Eric Zabel the most?

    Naturally he's gone after the green jersey like no other. But when you're on a team going after
    the yellow jersey, we shouldn't use up a lot of


    energy

    Quoted message said:

    supporting Eric. In 96 and 97 we won both jerseys, but that's not going


    to

    Quoted message said:

    happen today.

    So you don't need Zabel at all?

    Absolutely. We need Eric on the team. He's a very good team time


    trialist.

    Quoted message said:

    But only a selected few can win the tour, and the others must be


    completely

    Quoted message said:

    dedicated to that. I would also become a domesteque if Vino were the


    better

    Quoted message said:

    one.

    (There's more but I've run out of time)

    They said before the tour that telekom need you more than you needed telekom.

    Telekom needs a good leader. In France it was apparent that I almost won without them. On the other
    hand, I don't know if I would have won the Tour if I had to ride with Vino. I like the fact that
    there is a prominent German team in the world. That's why I'm back.

    Does T-Mobile recognize your maturation? Do they treat you differently than before?

    I told them I've changed. If they leave me alone then I will bring results. They don't have to send
    a lookout to see if I'm driving hard in training. I have to admit that I'm not entirely blameless.
    But the team knows I've changed.

    Do you have enough power to push Rudy Pevenage onto the team? Are Godefroot and he still arguing?

    They both told me what problems they had with each other. Nevertheless I hope it turns out okay in
    the end. The two of them most come together now more than ever. I will definitely continue to work
    with Rudy. I've never wavered on that.

    Was that a lesson you learn in the past two years? You now know who your friends are and who the
    "shoulder knockers" are?

    That's so. And I know I can't change the world, so I must change myself. I now live in Switzerland.
    My friends visit me, they others don't come anymore. It's a little too far.

    Your sponsor Adidas terminated your contract after your "pill problems". Are they coming back?

    Adidas is not a team sponsor, and I don't have a personal agreement with them yet. The discussions
    are ongoing. Naturally I was disappointed because I've always been a 100% adidas man. But you have
    to know the history to understand all that's happened.

    Long history?

    A long history. Everyone knows that I wasn't doping. The definition of doping is that I purposely
    improve my performance by devious means to beat others. That wasn't the case.

    So was it a wild night at the Schickeria-Disco P1 in Munich?

    Was it? I was simply not doping. The sponsor jumped anyway... which I didn't expect.

    When you were having problems with your career and personal life, did you ever think that Gaby would
    leave you?

    I expect my Partner to stand by me even if things aren't going well. I would have been devastated if
    Gaby had told me after our first crisis, "So Jan. I'm taking off." I wonder about people. I mean,
    "Man, you have a cool wife (gal). Anyone else would have left you by now." What happened (between
    us) seems totally normal to me.

    That's not so normal. When you drove your Porsche into that bicycle stand, there were two women
    involved. Most wouldn't tolerate that!

    We clear that up between us, Gaby and me. We could do that because everything is right between us.

    But you had to earn Gaby's trust again? Obviously, I had to show her I still wanted it. Naturally we
    went through a rough time, but that's why it's so good now.

    In July, right before the Tour, your child was born. In hindsight, was that a
    "reconciliation" child?

    We decided to do it then. We wanted to secure our future with each other with a child. I had already
    talked about it. After that bad summer we said to ourselves, "It's going great between us. We made
    it through a bad time, so nothing is standing in the way of having a child. The baby was planned
    perfectly.

    Would you have ridden so classy in the tour if you wouldn't have had your daughter?

    That little mouse brought me a lot more tailwind. That was great for me. I remember I couldn't train
    for four days during the birth. I definitely wanted to stay in the hospital. I couldn't have imaged
    not training for four days right before the highpoint of the season. But it increase my moral. You
    could see that in the prologue when I really took off. The various problems you're so worried about
    disappear. You ride free. I really enjoyed that time.

    When are you finally going to marry Gaby?

    We can a cool outlook on that. If it fits, we'll do it. The whole world is asking us that, and that
    causes an "anti-reaction" in me.

    You have to admit, that's a reasonable request.

    Never! Never! When its time, I've be very creative. I promise!

  11. On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 21:45:01 -0700, "Bestest Handsander" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Here's the rest...

    Thanks. Dropping German in first year university, I shouldn't have.
    :-)

    J. Spaceman

  12. I wouldn't be so sure that Ullrich doesn't see Lance as the enemy and use him as motivation. But
    given Lance's need for an opponent to overcome, Ullrich's best strategy would be to play it cool and
    try not to rile up Lance. I think he's showing a greater maturity and knowledge of how to go against
    Armstrong.

    I remember reading Bob Roll's recipe for how to beat Lance Armstrong. It was basically.
    1) Don't get Lance mad
    2) Don't tell lance he can't do something
    3) Don't get Lance mad
    4) Don't get on Lance's hit list
    5) Don't get Lance mad
    6) Ride like hell
    7) Don't get Lance mad ...

    Robet said:

    From the interview I respect Ullrich and I think it is a mistake for Ullrich not reciprocating and
    thinking of Lance as his enemy as Lance thinks of Ullrich. It certainly helps motivate Lance to
    single the best opponent out in the Tour and compete against him. I think Ullrich needs to do the
    same and train like Lance in the mountains. Ullrich certainly has the talent, but the victory goes
    to those who want, sacrifice, and try the most.

    I don't want to take away from Lance's achievements but you have to feel a little sorry for Jan.

    "Heinz Getzler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Torben Rucker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    stern.deindex.html

    (in German)

    It sounds as though the message from Ullrich is that Armstrong uses and or needs Ullrich as
    motivation. On the otherhand Jan see's the competition between himself and the TDF to
    motivate him.

    This could be a potential weakness for Jan since he might not possibly benchmark himself
    adequately benchmark himself against Lance. But Jan is motivated make no mistake about it.

  13. "trg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    I wouldn't be so sure that Ullrich doesn't see Lance as the enemy and use him as motivation. But
    given Lance's need for an opponent to overcome, Ullrich's best strategy would be to play it cool
    and try not to rile up Lance. I think he's showing a greater maturity and knowledge of how to go
    against Armstrong.

    I remember reading Bob Roll's recipe for how to beat Lance Armstrong. It was basically.
    1) Don't get Lance mad
    2) Don't tell lance he can't do something
    3) Don't get Lance mad
    4) Don't get on Lance's hit list
    5) Don't get Lance mad
    6) Ride like hell
    7) Don't get Lance mad ...

    Disagree; Ulrich is both a talented sportsman and a gentleman but he needs a rocket up his ass. He
    should get Armstrong mad. When Armstrong starts that pissy whining then you know you're doing the
    right job. If he comes out with pacifying [censored] about "Jan the biggest talent..." then you're
    not. Ulrich should [censored] the Texan off. He shows Armstrong too much respect. He needs to take a leaf
    out of the Roche/Fignon book of cycling regarding riding for the win - its the yellow or nothing;

    As well Ulrich shouldn't have waited on Armstrong when he crashed. Armstrong made his own mistake by
    riding too close to the spectators and it was Ulrich who paid the price by waiting and having his
    rhythm interrupted.

  14. Quoted post said:

    Originally posted by Jason Spaceman

    Can someone translate it into English?__I_tried_translating_the_article through Babelfish, but it
    makes Ullrich sound like Yoda:

    "The favorite are you, says Armstrong, because your best year before you lies. Does this
    statement already belong to its Psychotricks? Clearly, that was typical for Lance. Only, as five
    times route winners can he not the pressure with me unload. But a purposeful disturbance of the
    peace is that already."

    Help with grammar, I need.__:-)

    J. Spaceman

    Now that post made me smile🙂 I know it's corny, but that Yoda Ullrich is funny. "a purposeful disturbance of the
    peace is that already"

    LMAO

  15. [email hidden] (mr60percent) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    "trg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    I wouldn't be so sure that Ullrich doesn't see Lance as the enemy and use him as motivation. But
    given Lance's need for an opponent to overcome, Ullrich's best strategy would be to play it cool
    and try not to rile up Lance. I think he's showing a greater maturity and knowledge of how to go
    against Armstrong.

    I remember reading Bob Roll's recipe for how to beat Lance Armstrong. It was basically.
    1) Don't get Lance mad
    2) Don't tell lance he can't do something
    3) Don't get Lance mad
    4) Don't get on Lance's hit list
    5) Don't get Lance mad
    6) Ride like hell
    7) Don't get Lance mad ...

    Disagree; Ulrich is both a talented sportsman and a gentleman but he needs a rocket up his ass. He
    should get Armstrong mad. When Armstrong starts that pissy whining then you know you're doing the
    right job. If he comes out with pacifying [censored] about "Jan the biggest talent..." then you're
    not. Ulrich should [censored] the Texan off. He shows Armstrong too much respect. He needs to take a
    leaf out of the Roche/Fignon book of cycling regarding riding for the win - its the yellow or
    nothing;

    Quoted message said:


    As well Ulrich shouldn't have waited on Armstrong when he crashed. Armstrong made his own mistake
    by riding too close to the spectators and it was Ulrich who paid the price by waiting and having
    his rhythm interrupted.

    Besides, I don't remember Lance waiting for Beloki.

    I have watched the last TDF many times on tape and I think Ullrich hurt himself on the mountains by
    riding a tempo for Lance. He destroyed most of the other riders and then Lance was fresh enough to
    sprint out near the top to grab a few seconds. He should have held back and made Lance chase Vino or
    Mayo or whomever else. If Ullrich would get a leader like Bryunell (guessed at spelling) or Riis and
    had anyone but his current staff giving him instructions he possibly could have won last year.

    And no, I don't believe the brake was rubbing for the first 100 miles either.

    Phillip

  16. Am I mistaken but if the USPS team had not won the team time trial competition, Lance might not have
    got the yellow jersey after all. The USPS team (not just Lance) did a fantastic job in getting Lance
    the yellow this time around.. Not to mention Beloki taken out by a freak tire separation and Jan
    taking a swim on the individual time trial.

    But I think the USPS team time trial really helped Lance this time around.

    "Phillip" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] (mr60percent) wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    "trg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I wouldn't be so sure that Ullrich doesn't see Lance as the enemy and


    use

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    him as motivation. But given Lance's need for an opponent to overcome, Ullrich's best strategy
    would be to play it cool and try not to rile


    up

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Lance. I think he's showing a greater maturity and knowledge of how to


    go

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    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    against Armstrong.

    I remember reading Bob Roll's recipe for how to beat Lance Armstrong.


    It was

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    basically.
    1) Don't get Lance mad
    2) Don't tell lance he can't do something
    3) Don't get Lance mad
    4) Don't get on Lance's hit list
    5) Don't get Lance mad
    6) Ride like hell
    7) Don't get Lance mad ...

    Disagree; Ulrich is both a talented sportsman and a gentleman but he needs a rocket up his ass.
    He should get Armstrong mad. When Armstrong starts that pissy whining then you know you're doing
    the right job. If he comes out with pacifying [censored] about "Jan the biggest talent..." then
    you're not. Ulrich should [censored] the Texan off. He shows Armstrong too much respect. He needs to
    take a leaf out of the Roche/Fignon book of cycling regarding riding for the win - its the
    yellow or nothing;

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    As well Ulrich shouldn't have waited on Armstrong when he crashed. Armstrong made his own
    mistake by riding too close to the spectators and it was Ulrich who paid the price by waiting
    and having his rhythm interrupted.

    Besides, I don't remember Lance waiting for Beloki.

    I have watched the last TDF many times on tape and I think Ullrich hurt himself on the mountains
    by riding a tempo for Lance. He destroyed most of the other riders and then Lance was fresh enough
    to sprint out near the top to grab a few seconds. He should have held back and made Lance chase
    Vino or Mayo or whomever else. If Ullrich would get a leader like Bryunell (guessed at spelling)
    or Riis and had anyone but his current staff giving him instructions he possibly could have won
    last year.

    And no, I don't believe the brake was rubbing for the first 100 miles either.

    Phillip

  17. Robet said:

    Am I mistaken but if the USPS team had not won the team time trial competition, Lance might not
    have got the yellow jersey after all.

    Stage 4 TT results (from cyclingnews.comtour03)
    1. USPS
    2. ONCE +:30
    3. Bianchi +:43

    Final GC: (from cyclingnews.comtour03)
    4. Armstrong
    5. Ullrich +1:01

  18. "Robert Chung" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Robet said:

    Am I mistaken but if the USPS team had not won the team time trial competition, Lance might not
    have got the yellow jersey after all.

    Stage 4 TT results (from cyclingnews.comtour03)
    1. USPS
    2. ONCE +:30
    3. Bianchi +:43

    Final GC: (from cyclingnews.comtour03)
    1. Armstrong
    2. Ullrich +1:01

    And Lance backed way the hell off after Jan fell in the final TT.

  19. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Robet
    [B]>Not to mention Beloki taken out by a freak tire separation

    Quoted message said:

    Phillip [/B]

    [/quote]

    Beloki was taken out because he made a mistake entering that corner too hard. It wasnt really a 'luck' thing. He crashed because of his own error.

  20. "leif_ericson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Robet said:
    Quoted message said:

    Not to mention Beloki taken out by a freak tire separation


    Phillip

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    Beloki was taken out because he made a mistake entering that corner too hard. It wasnt really a
    'luck' thing. He crashed because of his own error.

    This had NOTHING to do with Beloki's skill. You can see what happened on the DVD. Beloki hit a patch
    of soft road tar which flipped him sideways and that rolled his tire off and then he had no control
    whatsoever. Beloki wasn't going too fast to make the corner, in fact he made it and then lost it.

    Look, luck plays a big role in winning and Beloki had a bad luck incident. You can't "make your own
    luck" and win. It's that simple. You have to take chances and hope that something doesn't go wrong.

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