Vermont 50k/50

Doug Freese said:

Shame on me I didn't have a Heineken when I finished - I had a Long
Trail IPA. It's made a three miles from the race and a nice beer.
Actually I had a few but who counts. Having a condo 50 feet from the
finish made life so easy. We waited for all the 50 finishers even after
our three were done. We sat on the porch facing the finish to applaud
each and every runner/biker. We then ate and imbibed some more. As the
sun went down with a slight chill in the air we moved to a few sips of
red wine and a final Champaign toast.

No reason for shame, you had a local product and most likely a better,
fresher beer.
It's one I've never tried.

Quoted message said:

It's a great race and fun was had by all. It's really satisfying to get
out of town and run a race on some of the most beautiful trails in
Vermont.

I checked out the results when they became available, congratulations
to all.

Quoted message said:

Once again the students continue to excel with quality miles
and not big numbers. We will all chill out and do a few shorter trail
races and then in December crank up the winter runs. Parker we are
thinking of doing the Hairy Gorilla 1/2 but waiting to see how the
schedule skakes out.

I registered but am not sure if I will actually run it. I've pretty
much swore off racing of any kind at this point.
It was bittersweet to see a lot of people who I used to train and
compete with set PBs at the local half and Marathon this past Sunday.
Penny ran 3:13 and Dana 3:03. Dana was just getting over a bug so she
may have come close to sub 3:00 otherwise. My neighbor who was hoping
for a the magical 2:22 didn't get it done, 2:31which was a personal
worst but he did take 2nd place and some cash. The wife ran 1:29 in
the half. Everyone benefited from a westerly breeze (tailwind). They
lucked out, if the weather had been Saturday's it might have been
ugly. As it was it would have been too warm and humid for me.

Parker

"Doug Freese" wrote
| Yahoo, a PR on this course at this distance (50k). Ultra #57. If you
| sift through the chaff, it was the first time I have done this distance
| for this race and the 6:08 sticks me into the middle of the pile(58 of
| 118). It's truly a well oiled race that takes great care of the
| runners and bikers.

Wow, I didn't think anybody could get a PR in their 60s after 50+ ultras.
Great finish, congratulations.

I am definitely going to try the VT 50K next year, thanks for your insight
about the course. Will bring you Heinekens next year. 🙂

"I2Run" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

Wow, I didn't think anybody could get a PR in their 60s after 50+ ultras.
Great finish, congratulations.

I think he meant that ironically -- I think he's done sub 5 on that course
back in the day... :-)

In article <[email hidden]>,

Doug Freese said:

Yahoo, a PR on this course at this distance (50k).

Congrats on the PR and on the fine report.

--
Crossing the starting line is 90%.
Crossing the finish line is the other 90%.

Doug Freese said:

Yahoo, a PR on this course at this distance (50k). Ultra #57. If you
sift through the chaff, it was the first time I have done this distance
for this race and the 6:08 sticks me into the middle of the pile(58 of
118). It's truly a well oiled race that takes great care of the
runners and bikers.

The 50k has 5,600 feet and the 50 has 9,000 so this is not an easy race
for either distance but classically cool temps make the hills more
tolerable. There were three of our group in each race. The really good
news is all three in the 50 had real PR's(this wasn't their first time)
AND went under 10 hours. For most mortals getting under 10 is like 37
minutes is 10k. I'm sure I'll get an amen from Tony who knows what it's
like to crack 10 hours.

Personally I had a great race. I registered for the 50k after losing
about month of training after some bad meds trying to cure a bloody
infection. I probably could have finished the 50 mile but it would not
have been a pretty sight and only proved I was mule headed. I would have
been out there for a long, long time. With 9,000 feet, this races eats
its young when under prepared. Even with the 50k I wasn't sure how much
I had lost while on the couch. I took the first 12 miles nice and easy
and ran with two delightful ladies at different times. Bathroom breaks
ripped apart the romance. It wasn't the gender but the pace that had
us running together but it didn't hurt. 😉 They were bother elementary
school teachers. It's always fun to talk to teaches and ask them about
the "no child left behind program." Without any prodding from me they
quickly admit, it's the EVERY child left behind program. But that's a
topic for a different forum.

The weather was perfect 40-65 with little humidity. At 12 miles I felt
very good and started to run more of ups. At halfway I was still feeling
good and picked it up just a bit more. Ran almost all the ups less the
real severe stuff and worked the downs a little harder. From 15 to 25 I
must have passed 25 or more runners. From 25-28 I was damn near alone
except for the bikes. There are 800 bikers sharing the course and I
would pass the bikers when they had to push their bikes up the hills and
they would blow by me on the downs. You don't run with head phones in
this race or you'll have tire marks up the back of your ass. Actually
the bikers were great at giving advanced notice when about to pass. They
were all great. We would talk on the ups each time swapping humor as to
who was crazier bikers or runners. Conclusion - both!

With 3 miles to go I ran every inch. There is some very healthy uphill
sections in this last stretch and passed another 4 or 5 people hiking
very slowly. Even passed one of the guys in my club. He is a tough
runner but I put 7 minutes on him in the last 3 miles. It's called
fading. I would have passed my other friend if the race was 1/2 mile
longer. He was hobbling across the line 30 seconds in front of me. I
probably went out slower than most times I have raced but I didn't know
how much training I had lost. Races of this length and longer will let
you know very suddenly if you have exceeded your abilities. 🙂

Shame on me I didn't have a Heineken when I finished - I had a Long
Trail IPA. It's made a three miles from the race and a nice beer.
Actually I had a few but who counts. Having a condo 50 feet from the
finish made life so easy. We waited for all the 50 finishers even after
our three were done. We sat on the porch facing the finish to applaud
each and every runner/biker. We then ate and imbibed some more. As the
sun went down with a slight chill in the air we moved to a few sips of
red wine and a final Champaign toast.

It's a great race and fun was had by all. It's really satisfying to get
out of town and run a race on some of the most beautiful trails in
Vermont. Once again the students continue to excel with quality miles
and not big numbers. We will all chill out and do a few shorter trail
races and then in December crank up the winter runs. Parker we are
thinking of doing the Hairy Gorilla 1/2 but waiting to see how the
schedule skakes out.

-Doug

Congraulations Doug! Both on your race result and the results of your
coaching! And you report really gave the feel of the race.

Your results give lots of us hope of improved times in later years. We
(I) just have to work harder at it!

Thanks.
Ed.
(just keep moving)

Big Congrats, Doug! You did great! I sure would like to try that one
some day, sounds beautiful, I mean, real trees there and all. Never
heard of Long Trail- but sure like the name. Hope it was good!

Teresa in AZ (now you got me thinking about a Young's Chocolate
Stout! mmmmmm)

Doug Freese said:

Yahoo, a PR on this course at this distance (50k). Ultra #57. If you
sift through the chaff, it was the first time I have done this distance
for this race and the 6:08 sticks me into the middle of the pile(58 of
118). It's truly a well oiled race that takes great care of the
runners and bikers.

The 50k has 5,600 feet and the 50 has 9,000 so this is not an easy race
for either distance but classically cool temps make the hills more
tolerable. There were three of our group in each race. The really good
news is all three in the 50 had real PR's(this wasn't their first time)
AND went under 10 hours. For most mortals getting under 10 is like 37
minutes is 10k. I'm sure I'll get an amen from Tony who knows what it's
like to crack 10 hours.

Personally I had a great race. I registered for the 50k after losing
about month of training after some bad meds trying to cure a bloody
infection. I probably could have finished the 50 mile but it would not
have been a pretty sight and only proved I was mule headed. I would have
been out there for a long, long time. With 9,000 feet, this races eats
its young when under prepared. Even with the 50k I wasn't sure how much
I had lost while on the couch. I took the first 12 miles nice and easy
and ran with two delightful ladies at different times. Bathroom breaks
ripped apart the romance. It wasn't the gender but the pace that had
us running together but it didn't hurt. 😉 They were bother elementary
school teachers. It's always fun to talk to teaches and ask them about
the "no child left behind program." Without any prodding from me they
quickly admit, it's the EVERY child left behind program. But that's a
topic for a different forum.

The weather was perfect 40-65 with little humidity. At 12 miles I felt
very good and started to run more of ups. At halfway I was still feeling
good and picked it up just a bit more. Ran almost all the ups less the
real severe stuff and worked the downs a little harder. From 15 to 25 I
must have passed 25 or more runners. From 25-28 I was damn near alone
except for the bikes. There are 800 bikers sharing the course and I
would pass the bikers when they had to push their bikes up the hills and
they would blow by me on the downs. You don't run with head phones in
this race or you'll have tire marks up the back of your ass. Actually
the bikers were great at giving advanced notice when about to pass. They
were all great. We would talk on the ups each time swapping humor as to
who was crazier bikers or runners. Conclusion - both!

With 3 miles to go I ran every inch. There is some very healthy uphill
sections in this last stretch and passed another 4 or 5 people hiking
very slowly. Even passed one of the guys in my club. He is a tough
runner but I put 7 minutes on him in the last 3 miles. It's called
fading. I would have passed my other friend if the race was 1/2 mile
longer. He was hobbling across the line 30 seconds in front of me. I
probably went out slower than most times I have raced but I didn't know
how much training I had lost. Races of this length and longer will let
you know very suddenly if you have exceeded your abilities. 🙂

Shame on me I didn't have a Heineken when I finished - I had a Long
Trail IPA. It's made a three miles from the race and a nice beer.
Actually I had a few but who counts. Having a condo 50 feet from the
finish made life so easy. We waited for all the 50 finishers even after
our three were done. We sat on the porch facing the finish to applaud
each and every runner/biker. We then ate and imbibed some more. As the
sun went down with a slight chill in the air we moved to a few sips of
red wine and a final Champaign toast.

It's a great race and fun was had by all. It's really satisfying to get
out of town and run a race on some of the most beautiful trails in
Vermont. Once again the students continue to excel with quality miles
and not big numbers. We will all chill out and do a few shorter trail
races and then in December crank up the winter runs. Parker we are
thinking of doing the Hairy Gorilla 1/2 but waiting to see how the
schedule skakes out.

-Doug

"Doug Freese" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Yahoo, a PR on this course at this distance (50k). Ultra #57. If you sift
through the chaff, it was the first time I have done this distance for
this race and the 6:08 sticks me into the middle of the pile(58 of 118).
It's truly a well oiled race that takes great care of the runners and
bikers.

Soon you'll catch up to your age in ultras.

Quoted message said:

The 50k has 5,600 feet and the 50 has 9,000 so this is not an easy race
for either distance but classically cool temps make the hills more
tolerable. There were three of our group in each race. The really good
news is all three in the 50 had real PR's(this wasn't their first time)
AND went under 10 hours. For most mortals getting under 10 is like 37
minutes is 10k. I'm sure I'll get an amen from Tony who knows what it's
like to crack 10 hours.

Amen! I thought about you guys that day. Vermont is a fantastic race with
truly fresh air, great mixed forest scenery, and giant single loop course,
which makes the distance seem easier. Yea, I think sub 10 hours on that
course isn't that easy, and I had to dig quite deep last year to achieve
that. When you hit that little road section with like 4 miles to go, your
quads scream to walk, even if you've trained on lots of hills (except for
your winter mad running crew maybe).

Quoted message said:

Personally I had a great race. I registered for the 50k after losing about
month of training after some bad meds trying to cure a bloody infection.
I probably could have finished the 50 mile but it would not have been a
pretty sight and only proved I was mule headed. I would have been out
there for a long, long time. With 9,000 feet, this races eats its young
when under prepared. Even with the 50k I wasn't sure how much I had lost
while on the couch. I took the first 12 miles nice and easy and ran with
two delightful ladies at different times. Bathroom breaks ripped apart the
romance. It wasn't the gender but the pace that had us running together
but it didn't hurt. 😉 They were bother elementary school teachers. It's
always fun to talk to teaches and ask them about the "no child left behind
program." Without any prodding from me they quickly admit, it's the EVERY
child left behind program. But that's a topic for a different forum.

Heidi?

Quoted message said:

The weather was perfect 40-65 with little humidity. At 12 miles I felt
very good and started to run more of ups. At halfway I was still feeling
good and picked it up just a bit more. Ran almost all the ups less the
real severe stuff and worked the downs a little harder. From 15 to 25 I
must have passed 25 or more runners. From 25-28 I was damn near alone
except for the bikes. There are 800 bikers sharing the course and I would
pass the bikers when they had to push their bikes up the hills and they
would blow by me on the downs. You don't run with head phones in this race
or you'll have tire marks up the back of your ass. Actually the bikers
were great at giving advanced notice when about to pass. They were all
great. We would talk on the ups each time swapping humor as to who was
crazier bikers or runners. Conclusion - both!

The 50k next year for me.

Quoted message said:

With 3 miles to go I ran every inch. There is some very healthy uphill
sections in this last stretch and passed another 4 or 5 people hiking very
slowly. Even passed one of the guys in my club. He is a tough runner but I
put 7 minutes on him in the last 3 miles. It's called fading. I would
have passed my other friend if the race was 1/2 mile longer. He was
hobbling across the line 30 seconds in front of me. I probably went out
slower than most times I have raced but I didn't know how much training I
had lost. Races of this length and longer will let you know very suddenly
if you have exceeded your abilities. 🙂

Same uphill across ski slope as the 50 miler huh -- good job running up
those steep little rollers then.

Quoted message said:

Shame on me I didn't have a Heineken when I finished - I had a Long Trail
IPA. It's made a three miles from the race and a nice beer. Actually I
had a few but who counts. Having a condo 50 feet from the finish made life
so easy. We waited for all the 50 finishers even after our three were
done. We sat on the porch facing the finish to applaud each and every
runner/biker. We then ate and imbibed some more. As the sun went down with
a slight chill in the air we moved to a few sips of red wine and a final
Champaign toast.

It's a great race and fun was had by all. It's really satisfying to get
out of town and run a race on some of the most beautiful trails in
Vermont. Once again the students continue to excel with quality miles and
not big numbers. We will all chill out and do a few shorter trail races
and then in December crank up the winter runs. Parker we are thinking of
doing the Hairy Gorilla 1/2 but waiting to see how the schedule skakes
out.

-Doug

Those winter runs are insane. You and your posse deserve good results and
seem to get them every year. I saw that Jackie did like 9:50. Did Sheryl run
VT? I've gotta go back and browse the results when I get more time.

-Tony

Doug Freese said:

Yahoo, a PR on this course at this distance (50k). Ultra #57. If you
sift through the chaff, it was the first time I have done this distance
for this race and the 6:08 sticks me into the middle of the pile(58 of
118). It's truly a well oiled race that takes great care of the
runners and bikers.

Big congratulations, Doug!! I had noticed your finish time and place in
the results - oa as well as ag. Well done. Guess you can wear the
t-shirt.😉 Maybe there is something to this enforced down time phenomenon.

And well done to all your trainees also.

Quoted message said:

It wasn't the gender but the pace that had
us running together but it didn't hurt. 😉 They were bother elementary
school teachers. It's always fun to talk to teaches and ask them about
the "no child left behind program."

Now, see, people can find something to talk about besides how old they
are (referring to Dan's rr). Granted, sex was a clue that they weren't
your ag.

Quoted message said:

Actually
the bikers were great at giving advanced notice when about to pass. They
were all great.

Well, think about how much it would slow them down if they ran over you.😉

Quoted message said:

We would talk on the ups each time swapping humor as to
who was crazier bikers or runners. Conclusion - both!

Sounds like a fun day.

Quoted message said:

Shame on me I didn't have a Heineken when I finished

omigosh.

- I had a Long

Quoted message said:

Trail IPA.

ah, ok.

Sounds like you had a fun day out there, including a fine race.🙂 Thanks
for the report. Congrats.

Dot

--
"I'm a great believer in luck, and I find the harder I work, the more I
have of it."
-Thomas Jefferson, third President of the United States

Doug Freese said:

Yahoo, a PR on this course at this distance (50k). Ultra #57. If you
sift through the chaff, it was the first time I have done this distance
for this race and the 6:08 sticks me into the middle of the pile(58 of
118). It's truly a well oiled race that takes great care of the
runners and bikers.

The 50k has 5,600 feet and the 50 has 9,000 so this is not an easy race
for either distance but classically cool temps make the hills more
tolerable. There were three of our group in each race. The really good
news is all three in the 50 had real PR's(this wasn't their first time)
AND went under 10 hours. For most mortals getting under 10 is like 37
minutes is 10k. I'm sure I'll get an amen from Tony who knows what it's
like to crack 10 hours.

Personally I had a great race. I registered for the 50k after losing
about month of training after some bad meds trying to cure a bloody
infection. I probably could have finished the 50 mile but it would not
have been a pretty sight and only proved I was mule headed. I would have
been out there for a long, long time. With 9,000 feet, this races eats
its young when under prepared. Even with the 50k I wasn't sure how much
I had lost while on the couch. I took the first 12 miles nice and easy
and ran with two delightful ladies at different times. Bathroom breaks
ripped apart the romance. It wasn't the gender but the pace that had
us running together but it didn't hurt. 😉 They were bother elementary
school teachers. It's always fun to talk to teaches and ask them about
the "no child left behind program." Without any prodding from me they
quickly admit, it's the EVERY child left behind program. But that's a
topic for a different forum.

The weather was perfect 40-65 with little humidity. At 12 miles I felt
very good and started to run more of ups. At halfway I was still feeling
good and picked it up just a bit more. Ran almost all the ups less the
real severe stuff and worked the downs a little harder. From 15 to 25 I
must have passed 25 or more runners. From 25-28 I was damn near alone
except for the bikes. There are 800 bikers sharing the course and I
would pass the bikers when they had to push their bikes up the hills and
they would blow by me on the downs. You don't run with head phones in
this race or you'll have tire marks up the back of your ass. Actually
the bikers were great at giving advanced notice when about to pass. They
were all great. We would talk on the ups each time swapping humor as to
who was crazier bikers or runners. Conclusion - both!

With 3 miles to go I ran every inch. There is some very healthy uphill
sections in this last stretch and passed another 4 or 5 people hiking
very slowly. Even passed one of the guys in my club. He is a tough
runner but I put 7 minutes on him in the last 3 miles. It's called
fading. I would have passed my other friend if the race was 1/2 mile
longer. He was hobbling across the line 30 seconds in front of me. I
probably went out slower than most times I have raced but I didn't know
how much training I had lost. Races of this length and longer will let
you know very suddenly if you have exceeded your abilities. 🙂

Shame on me I didn't have a Heineken when I finished - I had a Long
Trail IPA. It's made a three miles from the race and a nice beer.
Actually I had a few but who counts. Having a condo 50 feet from the
finish made life so easy. We waited for all the 50 finishers even after
our three were done. We sat on the porch facing the finish to applaud
each and every runner/biker. We then ate and imbibed some more. As the
sun went down with a slight chill in the air we moved to a few sips of
red wine and a final Champaign toast.

It's a great race and fun was had by all. It's really satisfying to get
out of town and run a race on some of the most beautiful trails in
Vermont. Once again the students continue to excel with quality miles
and not big numbers. We will all chill out and do a few shorter trail
races and then in December crank up the winter runs. Parker we are
thinking of doing the Hairy Gorilla 1/2 but waiting to see how the
schedule skakes out.

-Doug

Excellent report, Doug. Thanks.

It makes me almost want to try something so crazy. Almost.

brianj

Doug said:

If you sift through the chaff, it was the first time I have done
this distance for this race

Congrats nonetheless. More on the good race by your own judgement -
which it seems is the more relevant yardstick in these ultras than the
clock - than the PR. But sure, congrats on the "PR" too. And
especially on the beer upgrade.

Quoted message said:

it's the EVERY child left behind program

Yeah, you left one of 'em here in wreck.running. I though you and the
little lady might whisk him off to Vermont with you and give us a
break for the weekend. Ah well.

Quoted message said:

Having a condo 50 feet from the finish made life so easy.

That sounds like the way to do it!

Closest I can come to that in local races is living just a block off
the NYCM course. If only I'd had the foresight to bail at mile 7 a
couple years ago instead of sticking it out another ten or so.

Glad you had such a blast.

Especially considering this is your last year, right? I mean, you're
getting up there in age... surely you're planning to hang 'em up
pretty soon, no? ;-p

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Quoted message said:

Wow, I didn't think anybody could get a PR in their 60s after 50+
ultras.

I'm glad to still be able to put one foot in front of the other.

Quoted message said:

I am definitely going to try the VT 50K next year, thanks for your
insight
about the course.

At the worst it could rain and since they don't have a max for runners,
you can wait until Sat to sign up for Sunday -either distaance. If ya
do you better look me up!!!

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Will bring you Heinekens next year. 🙂

I'm your slave!

-Doug

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"I2Run" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

Wow, I didn't think anybody could get a PR in their 60s after 50+
ultras.
Great finish, congratulations.

I think he meant that ironically -- I think he's done sub 5 on that
course back in the day... :-)

I was tongue in cheek because I have never run the 50k on that course
and why it was a PR - in the literal sense. Some additional irony, this
was the first time I did 6 hours for any 50k - all 4's and 5's. Some
weak justification, this is a hard course for this part of the country.

-Doug

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Heidi?

No but she did come down to see me at the finish. yes she looked fine!

Quoted message said:

The 50k next year for me.

We will once again, be pounding the hill in the summer.

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Those winter runs are insane. You and your posse deserve good results
and seem to get them every year. I saw that Jackie did like 9:50.

All three were under 10, Jacque was walking on air. They are talking
about adding a 100k to the vt100 and I'm betting she will be there.

Quoted message said:

Did Sheryl run VT? I've gotta go back and browse the results when I
get more time.

I'll save you the look see:

50k

Stewart Dutfield 6:07

Doug Freese 6:08

Joe Brown 6:15

Dave Skoglund 6:38

50 mile

John Holt 9:42

Jacque Schiffer 9:49

Sheryl Wheeler 9:59

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Quoted message said:

Doug wrote:
And especially on the beer upgrade.

:-)

Quoted message said:

Especially considering this is your last year, right? I mean, you're
getting up there in age... surely you're planning to hang 'em up
pretty soon, no? ;-p

Miles to go before I sleep. The plan is back to Vermont for the 100 next
July with a spring 50k, 50 mile building blocks. I'll quit when they
pry my shoes form my cold dead hands. Will the NRA forgive me for
pilfering there phrase?

I'm expecting you to show at the HAT race in March. Hell you have
nothing else to do in the winter except yanking your bishop . I don't
think you could beat this old man. Need I add the smiley.

-Doug

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Doug Freese wrote:

Quoted message said:

Maybe there is something to this enforced down time phenomenon.

To be honest, with just a little more training I could run 5:30-5:45.
OTOh if I that extra training I'd be back in to 50 mile race. Maybe when
I'm 70 I have to cut back.

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And well done to all your trainees also.

They are getting smarter and faster. In reality, they keep ME alive.
If I kicked tomorrow, I'd go a happy person! It's a phenomenal group
with some old ones coming back and few new ones. We're going to need a
bus to get to some of the races. If I get a designated driver we can
party, I mean carbo load, before and after the race. I like that idea.

Quoted message said:

Now, see, people can find something to talk about besides how old they
are (referring to Dan's rr). Granted, sex was a clue that they weren't
your ag.

You caught me. 🙂

-Doug

Doug said:

I'm expecting you to show at the HAT race in March.

Oh yeah, without a doubt. Make sure you wait for me at the finish.
You know, with no prior ultra experience I might be an extra 30
minutes to an hour, hour and a half, three four five hours. But don't
leave - if you're not there with a cold brew I'll never forgive you
Doug!

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Doug said:

I'm expecting you to show at the HAT race in March.

Oh yeah, without a doubt. Make sure you wait for me at the finish.

We usually hang out at the finish line waiting for everyone to pass
under the banner. It's much more traditional in these races to hang out
to applaud the slowest of the slow.

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You know, with no prior ultra experience I might be an extra 30
minutes to an hour, hour and a half, three four five hours.

I know, the thought of 31 miles sounds like a long way. You power hike
the ups and run the rest and you'll think you went for a stroll in the
park. My club members that finished Steamtown and all walking with some
form of limp. Those of us the did Vermont are back to running with nary
a twitch. The serioius redliners were all in the 3:06-3:08 range. One
of our girls was second overall in 2:56 and FWIW, she is 44 and only
runs about 70 a week. . That two minutes in front of her boyfriend. I
can just hear the pillow talk. The next feme was 3:06 and 43 yo. Most
of them do their long runs together each Sunday on the hilly trails of
Mohonk Park Preserve.

Get your sorry ass up here for some some fresh air and some hills, and
you'll be ready to take on anything. There's is one single girl and she
is looking for a good man and she believes in endurance, if ya get my
drift. 😉

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But don't
leave - if you're not there with a cold brew I'll never forgive you

I'll even open it.

-Doug

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No reason for shame, you had a local product and most likely a better,
fresher beer.
It's one I've never tried.

I was surprised to see they made and IPA. We were shopping for yogurt to
make a dip and up jumped the devil. The normal lager is robust and IPA
is quite hoppy, as an IPA should be. IMO it's better than Magic Hat but
not as good as Saranac. I wanted to bring up some Saranac IPA for the
post run frolic but none is available. It's seasonal and they don't make
much of it in season. My local distributor can't get any volume either.

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I registered but am not sure if I will actually run it. I've pretty
much swore off racing of any kind at this point.

Maybe a good idea while you heal. Do you think you'll be up for some of
the winter runs dec/jan?

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It was bittersweet to see a lot of people who I used to train and
compete with set PBs at the local half and Marathon this past Sunday.
Penny ran 3:13 and Dana 3:03. Dana was just getting over a bug so she
may have come close to sub 3:00 otherwise.

Dana is outgoing and Penny a little quiet but both fun to talk to.
Gramps always gets a hug from them. If they could only read my thoughts.
😉

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The wife ran 1:29 in the half.

Was she happy with her time?

-D

Doug Freese said:

... There's is one single girl and she
is looking for a good man and she believes in endurance, if ya get my
drift. 😉

When did you say registration opens for next year? 😉

PD