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  1. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Ewoud Dronkert said:
    Tom Keats said:

    Here's some candy with which to entice him:
    http://www.duncgrayvelodrome.com/

    And some reading:
    http://www.wolfram.com/products/mathematica/usersanduses/experience/vanishing.html
    and http://www.wolfram.com/news/velo2.html

    Well, enticing for me anyway.

    Ewoud: given the name of that first link, and that you posted it, I was
    absolutely sure the link was going to lead to something about Tim Krabbé.

    --
    Ryan Cousineau [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com/
    "I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
    to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos

  2. Ryan Cousineau said:
    Ewoud Dronkert said:

    http://www.wolfram.com/products/mathematica/usersanduses/experience/vanishing.html

    Ewoud: given the name of that first link, and that you posted it, I was
    absolutely sure the link was going to lead to something about Tim Krabbé.

    Ha, that's funny but it was not my intention.

    You know, Tim is one of us now:
    fietsenbeleving.nlrimg0288.html

    --
    E. Dronkert

  3. "Ewoud Dronkert" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    You know, Tim is one of us now:
    fietsenbeleving.nlrimg0288.html

    Hmm. The Bianchi must be fairly new.

  4. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Ewoud Dronkert said:
    Ryan Cousineau said:
    Ewoud Dronkert said:

    http://www.wolfram.com/products/mathematica/usersanduses/experience/vanishi
    ng.html

    Ewoud: given the name of that first link, and that you posted it, I was
    absolutely sure the link was going to lead to something about Tim Krabbé.

    Ha, that's funny but it was not my intention.

    You know, Tim is one of us now:
    fietsenbeleving.nlrimg0288.html

    Which one?

    Drunk? Fattie? Old? A poser? Cat 4? a Dumbass?

    Aw Yeah!

    fietsenbeleving.nlrimg0290.html

    His jersey's logo is "Cycles Goff."

    That's not a real shop, is it?

    --
    Ryan Cousineau [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com/
    "I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
    to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos

  5. Ryan Cousineau said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    absolutely sure the link was going to lead to something about Tim Krabbé.

    Which one?

    Drunk? Fattie? Old? A poser? Cat 4? a Dumbass?

    Aw Yeah!

    fietsenbeleving.nlrimg0290.html

    His jersey's logo is "Cycles Goff."

    That's not a real shop, is it?

    Wow, that's cool.

    "Between the bumper of his car and mine, a rider in a light-blue
    Cycles Goff jersey is sitting on the curb, deep in thought. Before
    him on the street lies a back wheel, beside him a wooden box
    full of sprockets. His gears: he still has to decide which ones to
    use. There are four cols today, no one knows exactly how
    steep. I do: I've been over the course." - T. Krabbe.

    This guy has done way too much work:
    http://www.xs4all.nl/~laarmans/tuur/renner/koers.htm

    Ben

  6. Ryan Cousineau said:
    Ewoud Dronkert said:

    You know, Tim is one of us now:
    fietsenbeleving.nlrimg0288.html

    Which one?
    Drunk? Fattie? Old? A poser? Cat 4? a Dumbass?

    All of the above. Well, certainly not a dumbass. Although,
    fietsenbeleving.nlrimg0387.html

    --
    E. Dronkert

  7. Ewoud Dronkert said:
    Ryan Cousineau said:
    Ewoud Dronkert said:

    You know, Tim is one of us now:
    fietsenbeleving.nlrimg0288.html

    Which one?
    Drunk? Fattie? Old? A poser? Cat 4? a Dumbass?

    All of the above. Well, certainly not a dumbass. Although,
    fietsenbeleving.nlrimg0387.html

    Man, you've shattered my illusions. I though the Euro-bikers were
    always cooler than us (U.S. us).
    --
    JT
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  8. "John Forrest Tomlinson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    All of the above. Well, certainly not a dumbass. Although,
    fietsenbeleving.nlrimg0387.html

    Man, you've shattered my illusions. I though the Euro-bikers were
    always cooler than us (U.S. us).

    Eurobiker? It looks like Miguel DuHamel to me.

    http://www.trainright.com/uploads/galleries/1222.jpg

  9. In article
    <[email hidden]>,

    Ryan Cousineau said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Ewoud Dronkert said:
    Ryan Cousineau said:

    Ewoud Dronkert <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > http://www.wolfram.com/products/mathematica/usersanduses/experience/vanishi
    > ng.html

    Ewoud: given the name of that first link, and that you posted it, I was
    absolutely sure the link was going to lead to something about Tim Krabbé.

    Ha, that's funny but it was not my intention.

    You know, Tim is one of us now:
    fietsenbeleving.nlrimg0288.html

    Which one?

    Drunk? Fattie? Old? A poser? Cat 4? a Dumbass?

    Aw Yeah!

    fietsenbeleving.nlrimg0290.html

    His jersey's logo is "Cycles Goff."

    That's not a real shop, is it?

    He knows enough to wear black tights. There oughta be a law.

    --
    Michael Press

  10. Den 24.12.2006 kl. 15:26 skrev [email hidden]
    <[email hidden]>:

    Quoted message said:


    Anyone have a ballpark figure idea of how much it costs to build a
    simple velodrome?

    A new velodrome was built in Copenhagen Danmark in 2003 at the cost of 208
    million Danish kroner, equaling 35 mill dollars.
    For that much money you could buy 3,500,000 McDonald hamburgers in this
    country, or - if you are not that hungy - pay 565 bricklayers to work for
    one year.

    Ivar of Denmark

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    Sendt med Operas banebrydende postklient:
    http://www.opera.com/mail/

  11. Ivar Hesselager said:

    A new velodrome was built in Copenhagen Danmark in 2003 at the cost of 208
    million Danish kroner, equaling 35 mill dollars.
    For that much money you could buy 3,500,000 McDonald hamburgers in this
    country, or - if you are not that hungy - pay 565 bricklayers to work for
    one year.

    Well, they probably wanted to make sure that they had enough Big Mac's
    reinforcing the roof that it wouldn't fall down again.

    -------------------------------
    John Dacey
    Business Cycles, Miami, Florida
    Since 1983
    Comprehensive catalogue of track equipment: online since 1996
    http://www.businesscycles.com
    -------------------------------

  12. Ivar Hesselager said:

    Den 24.12.2006 kl. 15:26 skrev [email hidden]
    <[email hidden]>:

    Quoted message said:


    Anyone have a ballpark figure idea of how much it costs to build a
    simple velodrome?

    A new velodrome was built in Copenhagen Danmark in 2003 at the cost of 208
    million Danish kroner, equaling 35 mill dollars.
    For that much money you could buy 3,500,000 McDonald hamburgers in this
    country, or - if you are not that hungy - pay 565 bricklayers to work for
    one year.

    Only 565 of them? Bricklayers in Denmark must cost a lot more than
    bricklayers in China.

    Lessee, I figure I'm currently reasonably well off middle class at a
    lazy job making $750 US a month. Middle class starts around $125 US a
    month. A bricklayer should probably be making around $50 a month, so
    figure $550 a year because there will almost certainly be time that he
    or she doesn't work (such as Spring Festival) plus graft and excuses
    for a skimmed paycheck like being ten minutes late to work.

    $550 a year means two bricklayers for $1100, twenty for 11,000, two
    hundred for 110,000, two thousand for 1,100,000. twenty thousand for
    11,000,000, or sixty thousand for 33,000,000.

    I might be guessing a bit high on how much a bricklayer makes but I
    figure if you have 35 million US you could easily employ 63,600 Chinese
    bricklayers for one year.

    What exactly you would _do_ with 63,600 Chinese bricklayers for one
    year is beyond me.

    (and don't any of you wise asses answer "build a velodrome" because if
    you had that many bricklayers it would take substantially less than one
    year to build...)

    Anyways, cool as I think it would be to have some amazing world class
    facility in one of my favorite cities in the world, I should hope that
    my friend (while he does have quite a bit of clout) isn't thinking that
    high because dreams that are dreamt that far beyond the pale of reality
    tend to fall flat and not get accomplished (especially when those
    dreams are being dreamt with other people's money).

    When next I see him I'll pass on the links I've already gotten and see
    where things go from there. If you'd told me this time last year that
    Hainan was going to have a stage race I wouldn't have believed you, and
    I definitely wouldn't have believed that I'd not merely get to see it
    but get to work at it so I'm willing to stretch the limits of
    reasonable thought when someone with authority says they're thinking
    Haikou really needs a velodrome.

    -M

  13. Quoted message said:

    $550 a year means two bricklayers for $1100, twenty for 11,000, two
    hundred for 110,000, two thousand for 1,100,000. twenty thousand for
    11,000,000, or sixty thousand for 33,000,000.

    I might be guessing a bit high on how much a bricklayer makes but I
    figure if you have 35 million US you could easily employ 63,600 Chinese
    bricklayers for one year.

    What exactly you would _do_ with 63,600 Chinese bricklayers for one
    year is beyond me.

    (and don't any of you wise asses answer "build a velodrome" because if
    you had that many bricklayers it would take substantially less than one
    year to build...)

    Build the great wall of america on the US-Mexico border ?

  14. In article
    <[email hidden]>
    ,
    "[email hidden]"

    Quoted message said:
    Ivar Hesselager said:

    Den 24.12.2006 kl. 15:26 skrev [email hidden]
    <[email hidden]>:

    Quoted message said:


    Anyone have a ballpark figure idea of how much it costs to build a
    simple velodrome?

    A new velodrome was built in Copenhagen Danmark in 2003 at the cost of 208
    million Danish kroner, equaling 35 mill dollars.
    For that much money you could buy 3,500,000 McDonald hamburgers in this
    country, or - if you are not that hungy - pay 565 bricklayers to work for
    one year.

    Only 565 of them? Bricklayers in Denmark must cost a lot more than
    bricklayers in China.

    Lessee, I figure I'm currently reasonably well off middle class at a
    lazy job making $750 US a month. Middle class starts around $125 US a
    month. A bricklayer should probably be making around $50 a month, so
    figure $550 a year because there will almost certainly be time that he
    or she doesn't work (such as Spring Festival) plus graft and excuses
    for a skimmed paycheck like being ten minutes late to work.

    $550 a year means two bricklayers for $1100, twenty for 11,000, two
    hundred for 110,000, two thousand for 1,100,000. twenty thousand for
    11,000,000, or sixty thousand for 33,000,000.

    I might be guessing a bit high on how much a bricklayer makes but I
    figure if you have 35 million US you could easily employ 63,600 Chinese
    bricklayers for one year.

    What exactly you would _do_ with 63,600 Chinese bricklayers for one
    year is beyond me.

    (and don't any of you wise asses answer "build a velodrome" because if
    you had that many bricklayers it would take substantially less than one
    year to build...)

    Anyways, cool as I think it would be to have some amazing world class
    facility in one of my favorite cities in the world, I should hope that
    my friend (while he does have quite a bit of clout) isn't thinking that
    high because dreams that are dreamt that far beyond the pale of reality
    tend to fall flat and not get accomplished (especially when those
    dreams are being dreamt with other people's money).

    When next I see him I'll pass on the links I've already gotten and see
    where things go from there. If you'd told me this time last year that
    Hainan was going to have a stage race I wouldn't have believed you, and
    I definitely wouldn't have believed that I'd not merely get to see it
    but get to work at it so I'm willing to stretch the limits of
    reasonable thought when someone with authority says they're thinking
    Haikou really needs a velodrome.

    You have been there a while. I worked a contract in
    Hong Kong for a couple months. The locals were EE's, I
    was software. I would ask the engineers for something
    and it happened. Somehow I feel that that velodrome
    will happen.

    --
    Michael Press

  15. Holy [censored], did none of you guys stop to think what the ride quality of a
    brick velodrome would be like. Carpenters, that's what you need. Not
    bricklayres.
    Sheesh.

  16. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Stu Fleming said:

    Holy [censored], did none of you guys stop to think what the ride quality of a
    brick velodrome would be like. Carpenters, that's what you need. Not
    bricklayres.
    Sheesh.

    Sure I did. What of it?

    --
    Michael Press

  17. Quoted message said:
    Ivar Hesselager said:

    Den 24.12.2006 kl. 15:26 skrev [email hidden]
    <[email hidden]>:

    Quoted message said:

    Anyone have a ballpark figure idea of how much it costs to build a
    simple velodrome?

    A new velodrome was built in Copenhagen Danmark in 2003 at the cost of 208
    million Danish kroner, equaling 35 mill dollars.
    For that much money you could buy 3,500,000 McDonald hamburgers in this
    country, or - if you are not that hungy - pay 565 bricklayers to work for
    one year.

    Only 565 of them? Bricklayers in Denmark must cost a lot more than
    bricklayers in China.

    Lessee, I figure I'm currently reasonably well off middle class at a
    lazy job making $750 US a month. Middle class starts around $125 US a
    month. A bricklayer should probably be making around $50 a month, so
    figure $550 a year because there will almost certainly be time that he
    or she doesn't work (such as Spring Festival) plus graft and excuses
    for a skimmed paycheck like being ten minutes late to work.

    $550 a year means two bricklayers for $1100, twenty for 11,000, two
    hundred for 110,000, two thousand for 1,100,000. twenty thousand for
    11,000,000, or sixty thousand for 33,000,000.

    I might be guessing a bit high on how much a bricklayer makes but I
    figure if you have 35 million US you could easily employ 63,600 Chinese
    bricklayers for one year.

    What exactly you would _do_ with 63,600 Chinese bricklayers for one
    year is beyond me.

    (and don't any of you wise asses answer "build a velodrome" because if
    you had that many bricklayers it would take substantially less than one
    year to build...)

    Anyways, cool as I think it would be to have some amazing world class
    facility in one of my favorite cities in the world, I should hope that
    my friend (while he does have quite a bit of clout) isn't thinking that
    high because dreams that are dreamt that far beyond the pale of reality
    tend to fall flat and not get accomplished (especially when those
    dreams are being dreamt with other people's money).

    When next I see him I'll pass on the links I've already gotten and see
    where things go from there. If you'd told me this time last year that
    Hainan was going to have a stage race I wouldn't have believed you, and
    I definitely wouldn't have believed that I'd not merely get to see it
    but get to work at it so I'm willing to stretch the limits of
    reasonable thought when someone with authority says they're thinking
    Haikou really needs a velodrome.

    -M


    Let's make it simple.
    You build it (In China) and nobody will come.
    I don't care where you live, I don't do Communist countries.
    Funny how we are kissing China's butt, yet ignoring Cuba.
    Of course you could have it built there and sent here with a huge "Made
    in China" sticker like everything else.
    Bill Baka

  18. Michael Press said:

    In article
    <[email hidden]>
    ,
    "[email hidden]"

    Quoted message said:
    Ivar Hesselager said:

    Den 24.12.2006 kl. 15:26 skrev [email hidden]
    <[email hidden]>:

    >
    > Anyone have a ballpark figure idea of how much it costs to build a
    > simple velodrome?
    >

    A new velodrome was built in Copenhagen Danmark in 2003 at the cost of 208
    million Danish kroner, equaling 35 mill dollars.
    For that much money you could buy 3,500,000 McDonald hamburgers in this
    country, or - if you are not that hungy - pay 565 bricklayers to work for
    one year.

    Only 565 of them? Bricklayers in Denmark must cost a lot more than
    bricklayers in China.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I might be guessing a bit high on how much a bricklayer makes but I
    figure if you have 35 million US you could easily employ 63,600 Chinese
    bricklayers for one year.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    When next I see him I'll pass on the links I've already gotten and see
    where things go from there. If you'd told me this time last year that
    Hainan was going to have a stage race I wouldn't have believed you, and
    I definitely wouldn't have believed that I'd not merely get to see it
    but get to work at it so I'm willing to stretch the limits of
    reasonable thought when someone with authority says they're thinking
    Haikou really needs a velodrome.

    You have been there a while. I worked a contract in
    Hong Kong for a couple months. The locals were EE's, I
    was software. I would ask the engineers for something
    and it happened. Somehow I feel that that velodrome
    will happen.

    It was only _supposed_ to be ten months.

    I'm well into the fifth year and I've learned two important things:
    1. I can't count
    2. I don't want to go to graduate school in museum studies -or- library
    science
    3. I'm surprisingly good at Chinese
    4. The prediction I made when I was 16 that I'd do something fun for a
    while and then end up working as a computer programmer is currently
    coming true (I'm coding the website for a travel company)

    -M

  19. Bill Baka said:

    Let's make it simple.
    You build it (In China) and nobody will come.
    I don't care where you live, I don't do Communist countries.
    Funny how we are kissing China's butt, yet ignoring Cuba.
    Of course you could have it built there and sent here with a huge "Made
    in China" sticker like everything else.

    What ever gave you the impression that China was Communist?

    I mean, just because the ruling party is the Communists doesn't
    actually mean the government or the political system or economy or the
    day to day of well _anything_ is Communist.

    Besides which I'm not building it (and neither are the 63,600
    bricklayers of the earlier part of this thread), I'm helping the person
    who wants to convince the appropriate people that it ought to be built
    get a better idea of how much money he ought to ask for.

    -M

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