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  1. Here's an article, in French, in today's Le Figaro about the first
    anniversary of the introduction of the Vélib free public bicycle
    scheme and its successes and costs.

    The upshot is, Velib brings in big money to the City of Paris, but is
    extremely costly to JCDecaux, the advertizing firm that is under
    contract to supply and maintain the bikes in return for advertizing
    poster space. The main reason for the high costs being, surprise me,
    vandalism and theft.

    For those who can read French, some of the reader comments are pretty
    interesting as well.

    http://tinyurl.com/45spka

    EFR
    Ile de France
    Who believes public docks should be reinstituted for people who
    degrade bicycles.

  2. Artemisia said:

    Here's an article, in French, in today's Le Figaro about the first
    anniversary of the introduction of the Vélib free public bicycle
    scheme and its successes and costs.

    The upshot is, Velib brings in big money to the City of Paris, but is
    extremely costly to JCDecaux, the advertizing firm that is under
    contract to supply and maintain the bikes in return for advertizing
    poster space. The main reason for the high costs being, surprise me,
    vandalism and theft.

    For those who can read French, some of the reader comments are pretty
    interesting as well.

    Babelfish translated well enough:

    In one year, it conquered 200.000 subscribers for 25 million uses, but
    the flights and degradations would concern nearly 30 % of the park.

    It is an undeniable blow marketing. One of these “signals” whose
    magazines raffolent and who feed their sagas annual. Besides the Town
    of Paris intends to celebrate the first year of Vélib', its bicycle in
    self-service, on the Fields-Élysées… Like all the great French
    victories. Next on July 27, 350 lucky ones, of the amateurs of the
    small Parisian queen recruited by a play Internet, will go up the
    avenue a few hours before the runners of the Tour de France. Actually,
    it is last on July 15 which the first blow of pedal was given. The
    hour of the first assessments sounded. Far from being a pink and green
    legend of ecology, Vélib' is a frightening machine of economic and
    political war, fruit of a wild battle between two giants of the
    advertising display and the ambition of a man, Bertrand Delanoë…

    With 25 million hirings in one year of exercise, 200 000 subscribers
    and more than 16 000 bicycles, Vélib' was essential on Paris like the
    pillar-shaped billboard and the small black with the counter. Each
    day, the Parisian ones carry out some 120 000 ways, with a point with
    141 200 on June 21 for the Festival of the music, and even with 180
    000 last October during the strikes. According to a survey ordered for
    the City by the JCDecaux operator, the rate of satisfaction of the
    users plank 98 %. Icing on the cake, the City should box this year
    nearly 30 million euros thanks to the only product of the hirings.
    Without counting the political profit from which Bertrand Delanoë
    profited during the last electoral campaign. Vélib' made forget the
    failures of the transport policy of first mandature. The congestions,
    the suppression of the parking spaces, the corridors of bus, work of
    the tram however fed the grogne of Parisian during four years. “It is
    an good idea, recognizes Pierre-Yves Bournazel, elected UMP of the
    Town of Paris, moreover would have implemented we it. But from there
    to forget the inconsistency of the municipal team as regards
    transport…” Sign success: Delanoë and the former assistant charged
    with transport between 2001 and 2007, Denis Baupin, now reorientated
    on sustainable development, dispute the paternity of Vélib'. In the
    entourage of the mayor, one does not hesitate to entrust that the
    Green elected official did not believe “really” in Vélib', in any case
    “not to this scale”. “I am president of the cycle cities all the same,
    defends Baupin, and I went to Lyon to study the Lyons system of loan.
    In any case, I am undoubtedly the elected official who serves more his
    season ticket.”

    Rétropédalage

    At the end of 2006, the team of Bertrand Delanoë is aware that the
    assessment transport is not with the advantage of the mayor. This last
    then takes its distances with the Greens, whose speech anti-motorists
    makes devastations. At the same moment, in Lyon, the socialist mayor,
    Gerard Collomb, made figure of deus ex machina of urban displacement.
    It receives the mayors of the whole world to present his Vélo' v. To
    Paris, Delanoë understands quickly there that it holds a way of taking
    again the hand. The communication is gradually recadrée, some
    corridors of rectified buses and Bertrand Delanoë asks his teams to
    launch Vélib' as fast as possible. “At the beginning, they sent spies
    to us, joke Gilles Vesco, adviser delegated to displacements in Lyon.
    Then Baupin and Delanoë came officially.” The operation is carried out
    beating drum. In six months, the City denounces the advertising
    contract which binds it with JCDecaux and lance an invitation to
    tender which couples as in Lyon ad space and bicycles in self-service.
    The two giants of posting, American Clear Chanel and the JCDecaux
    national champion, find themselves face to face with the desire of in
    découdre. Commercial higher bids of recourse in front of the courts,
    it is JCDecaux which gains the market. “In a first round, recognizes
    an municipal employee, Clear Chanel had made the best offer. At the
    time, JCDecaux had proposed only 8 000 bicycles and an additional
    royalty of one euro per annum. They finally put in the basket 20 000
    bicycles, 1 450 stations and 11 million over ten years.”

    Extension to the blocked suburbs

    Socialist and liberal, Delanoë made play full law with the market. To
    obtain 1 600 billboards (2 and 8 square meters) travelling in Paris,
    one of the most beautiful windows of the world, JCDecaux accepted an
    unconscionable bargain. The name Vélib' belongs to the City which is
    also owner of the system. JCDecaux, service provider, must provide 20
    000 bicycles permanently feeding 1 450 stations. For the moment, there
    are of them 16 000 in circulation for 1 300 stations. The Cyclocity
    company, subsidiary of the group, is indeed confronted with a problem
    of vandalism and degradation of important use which obère the
    profitability of the operation. Of Lyon, where the service was
    inaugurated, JCDecaux requires however a revision of the contract. “He
    says to us to lose 3 million euros per annum, recognizes Gilles Vesco,
    a company cannot accept a chronic deficit but we are not ready to re-
    examine the contract for as much. Lyon took a risk.” In Paris, these
    would be the 3 000 bicycles which would have been stolen since one
    year and almost as much put except service over the same period, that
    is to say nearly 30 % of the park. The customs officers frequently
    find in Marseilles of Vélib' in the containers of the ferries which go
    to the Maghreb. And the tourists were accustomed to cross them in the
    streets of Casablanca. A few weeks ago, it is in Romania that a
    Parisian bicycle was found in a camp of Roms. The overcosts are
    important. Some 1 500 bicycles must be repaired each day and in 20 %
    of the cases, the intervention must be carried out in a workshop of
    Cyclocity. Under are such conditions, the gravitational tariffs
    offered to Parisian (29 euros the yearly subscription, 7 euros for one
    week and 1 euro the day with the first thirty free minutes) bearable
    on the long run? The more so as the intermediate duration of use of
    Vélib' never exceeds the twenty-two minutes. Cyclocity already had to
    make important modifications of its bicycle. The chains of bicycles in
    particular had to be reinforced, like the too light executives to
    resist the urban use. Lastly, the baskets also had to be welded more
    firmly to avoid the flights in series. Each bicycle would cost nearly
    2 500 euros Decaux whereas the plane business of origin had budgeted
    for them around 1 000 euros. Jean-Charles Decaux, president of the
    directory of JCDecaux, remains very discrete on these figures of
    exploitation. “Our company is with dimensions, rétorque it with the
    smile, these elements belong to our secrecies house. We invest 85
    million euros on this program which combines movable urban, contained
    services and publicity. It is an axis of major development for the
    group. Today, we have 38 000 bicycles in circulation in the world and
    several large capitals are interested.”

    The extension of Vélib' to the cities of the suburbs for the moment is
    blocked. And JCDecaux cannot count on a captive market in Ile-de-
    France, Clear Chanel indeed engaged a recourse in front of the Council
    of State to oblige each municipality to pass an invitation to tender
    and to choose its own operator. “Large Paris of the bicycle” is not
    for tomorrow.

  3. Artemisia said:

    Here's an article, in French, in today's Le Figaro about the first
    anniversary of the introduction of the Vélib free public bicycle
    scheme and its successes and costs.

    The upshot is, Velib brings in big money to the City of Paris, but is
    extremely costly to JCDecaux, the advertizing firm that is under
    contract to supply and maintain the bikes in return for advertizing
    poster space. The main reason for the high costs being, surprise me,
    vandalism and theft.

    Thanks, it is an interesting article. It certainly seems that
    Parisiens like the idea. For some reason I had not realized the size
    of the program. I was thinking in the low 1,000s of bikes not in the
    teens.

    The amount of repairs and theft is suprising, especially the theft.
    From what I remember of the bikes I had not expected them to be that
    popular a target for thieves. I got a kick out of the tourists riding
    them in Casablanca.🙂

    By the way what's with bus lanes? I had heard about the tram but not a
    bus lanes fiasco.

    John Kane Kingston ON Canada

  4. landotter <[email hidden]> wrote in news:4ca8e589-b1fb-471f-a88c-
    [email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:
    Artemisia said:

    Here's an article, in French, in today's Le Figaro about the first
    anniversary of the introduction of the Vélib free public bicycle
    scheme and its successes and costs.

    The upshot is, Velib brings in big money to the City of Paris, but is
    extremely costly to JCDecaux, the advertizing firm that is under
    contract to supply and maintain the bikes in return for advertizing
    poster space. The main reason for the high costs being, surprise me,
    vandalism and theft.

    For those who can read French, some of the reader comments are pretty
    interesting as well.

    Babelfish translated well enough:


    Merde c'etait plus facile en francais!!

  5. On Jun 25, 3:18 pm, Mike the unimaginative <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    landotter <[email hidden]> wrote in news:4ca8e589-b1fb-471f-a88c-
    [email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:
    Artemisia said:

    Here's an article, in French, in today's Le Figaro about the first
    anniversary of the introduction of the Vélib free public bicycle
    scheme and its successes and costs.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    The upshot is, Velib brings in big money to the City of Paris, but is
    extremely costly to JCDecaux, the advertizing firm that is under
    contract to supply and maintain the bikes in return for advertizing
    poster space. The main reason for the high costs being, surprise me,
    vandalism and theft.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    For those who can read French, some of the reader comments are pretty
    interesting as well.

    Quoted message said:

    Babelfish translated well enough:

    Merde c'etait plus facile en francais!!-

    What's wrong with " the rate of satisfaction of the users plank 98
    %." 🙂

  6. On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 11:59:06 -0700 (PDT), John Kane
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    [---]

    Quoted message said:

    By the way what's with bus lanes? I had heard about the tram but not a
    bus lanes fiasco.

    Hardly surprising that you hadn't heard about it, because there is no
    "bus lane fiasco". Just the usual wishful thinking and biased
    reporting to be expected from a newspaper like "Le Figaro".

  7. "John Kane" <[email hidden]> a écrit:

    Quoted message said:

    By the way what's with bus lanes? I had heard about the
    tram but not a bus lanes fiasco.

    If you mean the user comment:

    M Delanoë avait déjà saturé les voies ed circulation normale.
    Maintenant; grâce au Velib, c'est au tour des voies de bus d'être
    bloquées .E effet, en plaçant massivementd es vélo dans les
    voies de bus, ceux ci reste bloquée 3/4 du temps derrière un
    vélo. Il ne peuvent pas le dépasser, car il faut qu'il se rabatte à
    droite pour un arrêt. Résultat, maintenant en bus on va à la
    vitesse d'un vélo, sans compter que ceux ci grillent les feux rouges;

    Mais le fait de dessiner de jolis vélo dans les couloirs de bus,
    a permsi de les comptabiliser dans les km de piste cyclables crées.

    On fait cohabiter dans cet espace (souvent clos) des véhicules
    et des usagers qui n'ont ni les même vitesse ni les pmême susage.
    Un vélo va doucement mais régulièrement. Un bus accélère, décélère
    et s'arrête fréquement pour faire monter et descendre les boyageurs.
    Résultats ces uasagers aux comportement différents ne peuvent
    cohabiter dans les voies du bus.

    the complaint is that bicycle signs have been painted in bus lanes to
    augment the stats for the creation of new cycle lanes. In Paris a bus lane
    is supposedly for RATP (Paris Transport Authority) vehicles *only* unless
    other vehicles (including bicycles) are explicitly allowed by signage -
    though in reality taxis and bikes are tolerated. Paris bus lanes usually
    have a physical barrier of curb height to divide them from the other lanes,
    and they're typically not much wider than a bus. That means that buses get
    stuck behind cyclists, and vice versa.

    I don't have any experience of the problem from a bus passenger's point of
    view - I haven't taken a bus in my six years here in Paris. As a cyclist,
    aggression from bus drivers isn't uncommon.

    James Thomson

  8. John Kane said:

    The amount of repairs and theft is suprising, especially the theft.
    From what I remember of the bikes I had not expected them to be that
    popular a target for thieves. I got a kick out of the tourists riding
    them in Casablanca.🙂


    When the white provo bikes were liberated in Amsterdam the idea finally
    failed to succeed because people stole them. I never understood why,
    when it was so easy to take a free bike when you needed one, there were
    people who had to keep them to themselves. Probably shut away somewhere.

  9. John Kane said:

    On Jun 25, 3:18 pm, Mike the unimaginative <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    landotter <[email hidden]> wrote in news:4ca8e589-b1fb-471f-a88c-
    [email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    On Jun 25, 2:15 am, Artemisia <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > Here's an article, in French, in today's Le Figaro about the first
    > anniversary of the introduction of the Vélib free public bicycle
    > scheme and its successes and costs.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > The upshot is, Velib brings in big money to the City of Paris, but is
    > extremely costly to JCDecaux, the advertizing firm that is under
    > contract to supply and maintain the bikes in return for advertizing
    > poster space. The main reason for the high costs being, surprise me,
    > vandalism and theft.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > For those who can read French, some of the reader comments are pretty
    > interesting as well.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Babelfish translated well enough:

    Quoted message said:

    Merde c'etait plus facile en francais!!-

    What's wrong with " the rate of satisfaction of the users plank 98
    %."  🙂

    Lots of zingers in there! Like, "The chains of bicycles in
    particular had to be reinforced, like the too light executives to
    resist the urban use."

    Pierre, reinforce the executive--he is too light and succumbing to gay
    Paris!

  10. Dan Gregory said:
    John Kane said:

    The amount of repairs and theft is suprising, especially the theft.
    From what I remember of the bikes I had not expected them to be that
    popular a target for thieves. I got a kick out of the tourists riding
    them in Casablanca.🙂


    When the white provo bikes were liberated in Amsterdam the idea finally
    failed to succeed because people stole them. I never understood why,
    when it was so easy to take a free bike when you needed one, there were
    people who had to keep them to themselves. Probably shut away somewhere.

    Possibly because people are selfish?

  11. Dan Gregory said:
    John Kane said:

    The amount of repairs and theft is suprising, especially the theft.
    From what I remember of the bikes I had not expected them to be that
    popular a target for thieves.  I got a kick out of the tourists riding
    them in Casablanca.🙂

    When the white provo bikes were liberated in Amsterdam the idea finally
    failed to succeed because people stole them. I never understood why,
    when it was so easy to take a free bike when you needed one, there were
    people who had to keep them to themselves. Probably shut away somewhere.

    Were they "stolen" or just not returned? In parts of my town you can
    see abandoned grocery shopping carts that people without cars seem to
    have "borrowed". There does not seem to be any intend to keep the
    carts. Of course the store has a nasty cost in recovering them

    John Kane Kingston ON Canada

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