Vegetarian, Vegan, or Omnivorous



unarueda wrote:
> *i'm a vegetarian, which by the way sucks if you live in south
> america
> Julian *



doesn't suck so much if youre the only one that doesn't have to worry
about getting mad cow disease :)

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tennisgh22 wrote:
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>
> doesn't suck so much if youre the only one that doesn't have to worry
> about getting mad cow disease :)
>
> -grant *



More people have died from eating organic vegetables this year than have
from mad cow disease. :eek:


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bugman wrote:
> *More people have died from eating organic vegetables this year than
> have from mad cow disease.*



Interesting. I never saw that report. Any chance you could provide a
breakdown between deaths and serious injuries caused by organic/non
organic vegetables, subdivided into potatoes, parsnips, kale etc.
(remembering that tomatoes are fruit)?:p


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In high school, my German teacher was the most dedicated vegan I ever
met. She still is. She took us on a trip to Germany at the end of the
year. After the trip she invited us to her house to exchange pictures
and stories over dinner. On the drive over (I drove 4 of the other
students) we were all wondering if she'd only serve veggies. To our
surprise, she served one of my personal favorite dishes...steak! Of
course she didn't have any, but the rest of the non-vegetarian students
had a great steak dinner complements of out vegan teacher. Go Figure.

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I'm a vegetarian of convenience but not a fanatic about it - if I can't
graciously get out of eating meat I will do so without making a big
show. Hey, even the Buddha would eat meat offered to the monks by lay
people, on the thoery that it's not proper to inconvenience others with
your personal convictions.


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Mikefule wrote:
> *
>
> Interesting. I never saw that report. Any chance you could provide a
> breakdown between deaths and serious injuries caused by organic/non
> organic vegetables, subdivided into potatoes, parsnips, kale etc.
> (remembering that tomatoes are fruit)?:p *



I don't know if there is that kind of breakdown, or even a study. Just
the facts as they are reported to the CDC.

The National Organic Standards Board, a panel that advises the U.S.
Department of Agriculture on national standards for organic production,
recommends that raw manure should not be applied less than 120 days
before harvesting foods likely to be eaten raw, or less than 90 days
before harvesting foods protected by a husk, pod or shell. One area
non-organic vegetable grower said she's become wary of using manure in
recent years because "you just don't know if you can keep it from
getting in the food chain." "That's the controversy," said Leona Robran
of Waterford. She and her husband, Ralph, used a small amount of horse
manure to fertilize soil years ago, Robran said from her farmers market
stand at Zeidler Park in downtown Milwaukee.

An estimated 73,000 cases of infection and 61 deaths occur in the United
States each year as a result of the E. coli infection, according to the
CDC.


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digitalattrition wrote:
> *I was a vegetarian for a while, but I couldn't take the whole "no
> delicious cow meats" thing.
>
> :p *



Me Too. I not only couldn't handle the no delicious steaks, no
delicious bacon, I couldn't handle the muscle loss. I lost 20 pounds of
muscle with the 20 ls of fat.:D


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bugman wrote:
> *
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> Me Too. I not only couldn't handle the no delicious steaks, no
> delicious bacon, I couldn't handle the muscle loss. I lost 20 pounds
> of muscle with the 20 ls of fat.:D *



That's surprising to me. I lost about 30 lbs of fat and gained about 20
lbs of muscle. Sounds like you skimped on the nuts and beans!! I think
also that everybody's body reacts differently.

Note: My body composition changes almost surely had more to do with my
lifestyle changes than diet,but still.....


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mscalisi wrote:
> I once met a woman who knew one other unicyclist who happened to be
> vegan(I am), and she decided that all unicyclists must be vegan.
>
> Which of course in not true, but now I'm wondering if the unicycling
> population has a greater proportion of veggies than the general
> population.
>
> Disclaimer: I am NOT AT ALL interested in debating of any of the
> virtues of a particular diet. I'm just curious to see if there is a
> trend.


Omnivore, occasional hunter.
 
I voted omnivore although I have gone through bouts of vegetarianism and
veganism. It really depends on on the source of the meat. I only eat
free-range, and I strongly avioud red meat, just because I don't
particularly like it, and also it's extremely hard to get red meat from
an ethically sound producer. I've only had fast food once in my life.

I'm curious, what constitutes veganism? I have a friend (you know him
Mike: Jeremy) who's vegan to the degree that he won't wear any animal
products or byproducts, while I know another vegan who I saw wearing
real leather (I asked him, he said it was real). Is a vegan in leather a
vegan?


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I heard on the news that some people avoid honey because it hurts the
bees. Does anyone here do this or know anyone that does this? Im just
curious.

Btw-I eat meat but for some reason im surprised by the amount of
vegetarian unicyclists here.

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I was vegan to the degree that I wouldn't wear leather shoes, but after
going through a pair of (canvas/hemp/petroleum product) shoes every few
months, I decided that it was a really wasteful solution. The leather
shoes I'm wearing now have lasted me through 5-6 years of abuse. The
justification is that leather is a byproduct of the meat industry and
would otherwise go to waste. I also went through a couple "vegan" belts
before I found a durable one made from recycled tire rubber.

So, to answer your question, TRUE vegans don't wear leather or eat
honey, but they also shouldn't drive cars or ride bicycles or unicycles
because tires are made with an animal byproduct. (don't ask me specifics
cuz I don't remember).

True vegans also don't eat refined sugar (filtered through bone char)
and would need to investigate beer and wine to see if any animal
filtering agents are used.

Soo...I'm not a "True" vegan, but it's much easier to call myself vegan
then describe in detail to everyone what I am or am not willing to
eat/drink/wear/drive...etc

It sounds like you make an attempt to be conscientious about your
consumerism which I think is more important than any label.

Cool, I didn't know abou Jeremey.


Mike
gerblefranklin wrote:
> *I voted omnivore although I have gone through bouts of vegetarianism
> and veganism. It really depends on on the source of the meat. I only
> eat free-range, and I strongly avioud red meat, just because I don't
> particularly like it, and also it's extremely hard to get red meat
> from an ethically sound producer. I've only had fast food once in my
> life.
>
> I'm curious, what constitutes veganism? I have a friend (you know him
> Mike: Jeremy) who's vegan to the degree that he won't wear any animal
> products or byproducts, while I know another vegan who I saw wearing
> real leather (I asked him, he said it was real). Is a vegan in leather
> a vegan? *




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i eat a vegitarian diet, however its not realy a "way of life" type
thing.
i just don't like eating corpses.

i try and adhere to the mantra:
"don't eat anything you wouldn't get into a bathtub full of"

would you get into a bathtub full of.......
avocados? oh baby! fill her up
hummus? yeah.
peanuts? nice and crunchy, almost like a ball pool.
pineapples? a bit abbrasive, can we cut them up?
mozzerrella? mmm
milk? i suppose so.
eggs, o.k. but i won't stay in for longer than i have to in order to
qualify
prawns? thats just weird, i don't think i can do that.
dead chickens? over my dead body.
anchovies? no! i'd never stop having nightmares.
minced beef? please god no!
pigs blood? who do you think i am? marylin manson?
sheeps brains? get thee behind me satan!


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gerblefranklin wrote:
> *I'm curious, what constitutes veganism? I have a friend (you know him
> Mike: Jeremy) who's vegan to the degree that he won't wear any animal
> products or byproducts, while I know another vegan who I saw wearing
> real leather (I asked him, he said it was real). Is a vegan in leather
> a vegan? *



There are different types of Vegans. Those that eat that way because
they believe that it is the healthiest food choice.
Those that eat that way for religious reasons.
And the militant vegans, who couldn't kill anything that has a fighting
chance. Only poor defenseless plants are good enough to kill.

So in my case, I chose to eat Vegan, because I mistakingly believed that
it was the healthiest choice. If I could cry over the mistreatment of
chickens, I might still be a Vegan. Reality is The only food I cry over
is burnt. Especially steak. I hate it when you overcook steak. It
just tastes so much better when it is almost bleeding on the plate.


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bugman wrote:
> *
>
> There are different types of Vegans. Those that eat that way because
> they believe that it is the healthiest food choice.
> Those that eat that way for religious reasons.
> And the militant vegans, who couldn't kill anything that has a
> fighting chance. Only poor defenseless plants are good enough to
> kill.
>
> So in my case, I chose to eat Vegan, because I mistakingly believed
> that it was the healthiest choice. If I could cry over the
> mistreatment of chickens, I might still be a Vegan. Reality is The
> only food I cry over is burnt. Especially steak. I hate it when you
> overcook steak. It just tastes so much better when it is almost
> bleeding on the plate. *



uhhhh, where to start?

i think your three types pretty much exclude every vegan there is.
hardly anyone would become vegan if they thought it was healthy. when
people try to be healthy they drink diet coke. there are many cases
where doctors have prescribed such a diet but it would be extremely rare
for someone to on their own decide to give up everything that they know
of that tastes good. for religious reasons, you could substitute
philosophical reasons. the only religion i know of that actually
suggests veganism is rastafarianism but thats not even a recognized
religion and i doubt very many vegans would site this as their reason.
you will find many who will site world hunger or environmental
protection as reasons for becoming vegan, but as you may do yourself, is
easy to argue against. for example, rainforests in central and south
america are being cut down to farm soy, which has increasing demand in
north america. so by eating meat or by eating tofu you are causing the
destruction of the environment. by saying that there are militant
vegans who only pick on defenseless plants is completely contradictory.
there are miltant vegans who pick on old women who wear fur, but saying
someone who ravishes a plant is militant is a pretty funny joke.

now, as veganism as a health option... veganism has the potential to be
very healthy or very unhealthy. you may have heard about a case (i dont
remember where) where parents were charged with child abuse when their
[vegan] child was found completely malnourished and near death. the
baby was simply given a normal diet, minus meat, dairy, and eggs. if
you are a vegetarian, and you replace meat with cheese, you are not any
healthier. if you eat vegan correctly, you will enjoy many health
benefits, as i have. if you do not, than you take a chance of
inflicting permanent harm to your body.

i have presented the issue pretty fairly i think. here is a summary of
the pros and cons of veganism:

pros:
health
less chance of [some kinds of] cancer, stroke, or heart attack
low cholesterol
lose weight
etc
envoronmental
meat and dariy industries responsible for huge amounts of
natural water and air pollution
public lands are used for grazing and destroyed
secondary source of food (crops->animals->humans)
philosophical
animal rights
world hunger (crop yields)

cons:
health
chance of certain vitamin defficiencies (b12, especially)
anemia in some cases
food tastes bad :)
environmental
rainforests destroyed to farm soy
philosophical
many animals are killed during crop production
"god made animals out of meat"
human anatomy (can be argued either way, but usually studies show that
humans are made in such a way to consume small animals rarely (think,
mediterannean diet))

this is a pretty balanced summary, i think cons have the natural
advantage of being mainstream so i gave pros a few extras in each
category to even it out. here is my opinion on vegetarian/vegan
activists: i support what they do but i dont do it. personally, i feel
i can do more for the movement through personal relationships than by
handing out literature. people offer mr pamphlets and even if i say im
vegan they still want to give me one. it bothers me just as much as
anyone else. but even more than them i hate anti-vegan hypocrites.
these are the people who complain about vegan activists then spit out
some insult to try to ensure that no one in listening distance would
ever consider giving up meat. one's diet is a personal matter. i wont
tell someone to stop eating meat but i get ****** off when someone tries
to convinve some to eat meat.


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