Varna Recumbent

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I was wondering if anyone has seen or ridden a Varna Recumbent -
varnahandcycles.comcycle.htmOpen ↗ Recumbent

The design is striking. The wheelbase is so short that it appears as if a 'comfort bike' handlebar
has been directly attached to the front fork - surely the most elegantly simple USS ever devised.
In fact, the entire bike appears to be a stunning model of simplicity. But how does it ride? Is it
fast? stable? smooth?

Anyone?

Appears to be too expensive

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Appears to be too expensive

MAN!!! $1650. is too expensive?!? I do not care for this delta trike design personally (100% low
tadpole for me), but in this part of the US that cannot even make the right choice for governer;
that is a bargain!

Chris Jordan Santa Cruz, CA.

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Why would anyone ride a recumbent with a BICYCLE seat????? Man, you don't even have your legs under
you to give SOME support to that aching kiester that's SURE to come. Might even be more painful than
an upright?

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oops, meant to reply to the trike post, sorry.

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Why would anyone ride a recumbent with a BICYCLE seat????? Man, you don't even have your legs
under you to give SOME support to that aching kiester that's SURE to come. Might even be more
painful than an upright?

I suspect the original poster was a troll, it appears to me he was gushing a bit too much about a
bike he knew nothing about

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Appears to be too expensive

MAN!!! $1650. is too expensive?!? I do not care for this delta trike design personally (100% low
tadpole for me), but in this part of the US that cannot even make the right choice for governer;
that is a bargain!

Chris Jordan Santa Cruz, CA.

He didn't mention which bike he was talking about, I thought he meant the Velocipede although if he
is referring to the trike umm yeck

Hey Chris Governor Larry Flynt will turn the California economy around.
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Appears to be too expensive

MAN!!! $1650. is too expensive?!? I do not care for this delta trike design personally (100% low
tadpole for me), but in this part of the US that cannot even make the right choice for governer;
that is a bargain!

Chris Jordan Santa Cruz, CA.

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MAN!!! $1650. is too expensive?!? I do not care for this delta trike design personally (100% low
tadpole for me), but in this part of the US that cannot even make the right choice for governer;
that is a bargain!

Chris Jordan Santa Cruz, CA.

He didn't mention which bike he was talking about, I thought he meant the Velocipede although if
he is referring to the trike umm yeck

I thought the originator of this thread was referring to the SWB USS that sells for $2000. I believe
this was what prompted that response from the second poster.

Edward Wong Orlando, FL

I think that the bikeE was a stronger frame 'bent. Too bad they went belly-up. I got a red CT-S
model from fellow who bought a batch from former officer of defunct bikeE. Also bought several
accessories. The 6-inch-thick mesh-covered seat takes up almost all the bumps and rough surface ups
and downs. But shocks would have been cat's meow. Just out of my budget range. Now looking for buyer
of mine so I can build "Mother's Cut-Rate Recumbent."

See it
at...http://www.motherearthnews.com/menarch/archive/goto.asp?article=081/081-162-01&ID=2613&Num=4

I took too many ski bag hits to thigh muscles while at airport ticket counter. Have difficulty
starting up without crossing center line due to unequal leg pressures. Thinking Mother's trike will
prevent fall down panic on startup.

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I was wondering if anyone has seen or ridden a Varna Recumbent -
varnahandcycles.comcycle.htmOpen ↗ Recumbent

The design is striking. The wheelbase is so short that it appears as if a 'comfort bike' handlebar
has been directly attached to the front fork - surely the most elegantly simple USS ever devised.

There are several bikes with this form of USS:

Turner Vision The late, unlamented Blackbent The Hypercycle (possibly the first "modern" SWB?)
HPVelo Street machine (I think) Probably others as well.

Electing to do this type of USS carries with it many consequences, not least of which is an extreme
forward weight bias. So much of your body mass (everything from your upper thighs down) is ahead of
the headset that the front tire gets very heavily loaded. This has interesting handling
implications.

The only one of these bikes I've ridden is the Vision R40, in its original form. I really didn't
like it... I felt as if I could actually do a stoppie on it if I tried (opposite of a wheelie, where
you stand the bike on its front tire).

I note that soon after I rode that bike, Vision changed the design and (I think) lengthened the
wheelbase. I do know that they altered the bike to improve the handling... exactly what they did
escapes me at the moment.

By all accounts, the Hypercycle (which had a wheelbase of something like 36 inches!) was a
real handful.

If you do USS like that and move the headset forward to get a better weight distribution, you wind
up having to offset the handlebar with a stem... which means that when you turn, the handlebar moves
side to side as well as pivoting. Which means you need to make the bar wide enough that your hands
won't run into your hips as you turn. Which splays your arms way out, which is decidedly
un-aerodynamic.

The designer could also do a fork with extreme rake and a very shallow head tube angle to get the
front wheel out farther, but then you could wind up with a lot of fork flop which, given the forward
weight bias inherent in the SWB configuration, could make the handling (especially at low speeds)
questionable. This is what Rotator does with the Pursuit, only the reason for it on that bike is
different: The Pursuit is a LWB, and it's done to get the handlebar back where the rider can reach
it without having a lot of tiller.

I'm not saying that all of these things WILL happen and cannot be dealt with by proper design, but
they certainly can happen.

I have no experience with the Varna Recumbent. Perhaps Georgi has designed a superb machine; he's
certainly capable of it. But that bike has been around for years, and it's not exactly taking the
world by storm.

I'm not quite sure where you're coming from with your "model of simplicity" statement. The bike
doesn't look any simpler than many of the others I've ridden.

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Maybe that would make a $2000. Varna an even better deal! Just the thought of a gold frame (like
Flynts sheelchair) makes my head spin!

Chris J.

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There are several bikes with this form of USS:

Turner Vision The late, unlamented Blackbent The Hypercycle (possibly the first "modern" SWB?)
HPVelo Street machine (I think) Probably others as well.

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Andrew:

Thank you for your detailed reply. I will go to my LBS and check out the Vision's in closer detail.
It seems I am wrong about the design being markedly 'different'.

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I suspect the original poster was a troll, it appears to me he was gushing a bit too much about a
bike he knew nothing about

Nah ... I don't live under a bridge. Although your paranoia made me laugh, I cannot really
understand it: I am currently in the market for a new 'bent, and I'm trying to research all of my
alternatives. It seems to me that since Varna made the fastest HPV ever built, he just might know
something about engineering an efficient USS SWB. After visiting his site, it seemed to me that the
design was markedly different from others. So I asked a simple question to see if anyone has ever
actually tried it.

BTW, I was referring to the $2000 USS SWB recumbent.

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bit too much about a bike he knew nothing about

Nah ... I don't live under a bridge. Although your paranoia made me laugh, I cannot really
understand it: I am currently in the market for a new 'bent, and I'm trying to research all of my
alternatives. It seems to me that since Varna made the fastest HPV ever built, he just might know
something about engineering an efficient USS SWB. After visiting his site, it seemed to me that
the design was markedly different from others. So I asked a simple question to see if anyone has
ever actually tried it.

BTW, I was referring to the $2000 USS SWB recumbent.

Too expensive, you can get a other bikes for almost half that, I see nothing in the Varna that
appears to be better or worse than a Vision R40

A friend of mine built a Mother earth trike two years ago. He is a machinist and did good job with
it utilizing regular spoke wheels with sealed bearings instead of the welded up mag wheels with
sleeve bearings. He worked on it for a couple of months. It did ride good.

His total cost was over $400. It weighed 48 pounds and didn't include front brakes. At that time the
only options that we were aware of was the Greenspeed. Now there are several less expensive models
available.

When I wanted a trike I decided that my best option was to purchase a maufactured unit. Dave Dean
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I think that the bikeE was a stronger frame 'bent. Too bad they went belly-up. I got a red CT-S
model from fellow who bought a batch from former officer of defunct bikeE. Also bought several
accessories. The 6-inch-thick mesh-covered seat takes up almost all the bumps and rough surface
ups and downs. But shocks would have been cat's meow. Just out of my budget range. Now looking for
buyer of mine so I can build "Mother's Cut-Rate Recumbent."

See it
at...http://www.motherearthnews.com/menarch/archive/goto.asp?article=081/081-162-01&ID=2613&Num=4

I took too many ski bag hits to thigh muscles while at airport ticket counter. Have difficulty
starting up without crossing center line due to unequal leg pressures. Thinking Mother's trike
will prevent fall down panic on startup.