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  1. In article <[email hidden]>, Michael MacClancy
    <[email hidden]> writes

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    >>>The Pope
    >>snipped .......................................
    >>> He is human and fallible, as we all are.
    >>
    >>Sorry, can't resist this. The left footers believe otherwise, regarding the fallibility at
    >>least.
    >>
    >I don't. Next?

    Well, if you're a left footer you're doomed, aren't you? I am and I am.

    Er...what?

    A left footer and therefore doomed (or damned).


    The pills, Michael. Take the pills.
    --
    The Big Baguette

  2. Tony W said:

    "Tony Raven" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

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    Physics is a subset of mathematics which is a subset of religion ;-)

    No.

    Mathematics declares its assumption then works rigorously from them.

    Physics (indeed science) observes the world, models it using relatively simple mathematical and
    other tools. It then uses those models to predict outcomes. If the models work they are refined,
    if not they are scrapped.

    Verification is a key part of the process.

    No, physicist describe the world by the "equation of everything" U = 0. They just haven't managed to
    define U yet.

    Tony

    --
    raven-family.comraven-family.com

    "I don't want any yes-men around me. I want everybody to tell me the truth even if it costs them
    their job."

    Samuel Goldwyn

  3. In message <[email hidden]>, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
    <[email hidden]> writes

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    The Pope


    snipped

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    .......................................
    He is human and fallible, as we all are.

    I loved the Jeremy Hardy's comment on the News Quiz about Tony Blair meeting the Pope "How do you
    hold a conversation when you are both infallible?"

    Tony

    --
    raven-family.comraven-family.com

    "I don't want any yes-men around me. I want everybody to tell me the truth even if it costs them
    their job."

    Samuel Goldwyn

  4. Tony W said:

    Now Guy is going to pop up and accuse me of racism as well as bigotry 🙁

    Unlikely. I know plenty of Hebes who freely use the language of the [censored]-a-knee tribe.

  5. Tony Raven said:
    Quoted message said:

    "Tony Raven" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

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    Physics is a subset of mathematics which is a subset of religion ;-)

    No, physicist describe the world by the "equation of everything" U = 0. They just haven't managed
    to define U yet.

    Have you considered working with Paul Smith? You could hang around on SafeSpeed making his grasp of
    physics look good in comparison.

  6. "Alan Braggins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
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    No, physicist describe the world by the "equation of everything" U = 0. They just haven't
    managed to define U yet.

    Have you considered working with Paul Smith? You could hang around on SafeSpeed making his grasp
    of physics look good in comparison.

    U = 0 seems perfectly valid as a proposed equation for everything to me.

    All I need to know is what the function U is and what variables it operates on.

    Now that may take a while.

    T

    God is alive and well. He is now working on a less ambitious project.

    (Graffito on a bog wall)

  7. Alan Braggins said:
    Tony Raven said:


    No, physicist describe the world by the "equation of everything" U = 0. They just haven't managed
    to define U yet.

    Have you considered working with Paul Smith? You could hang around on SafeSpeed making his grasp
    of physics look good in comparison.

    I doubt Paul is familiar with superstring theory and the search for the fundamental underlying
    M-theory (Theory of Everything or Mother of all Theories). I could be wrong though. 11 dimensional
    speed cameras - there's a thought ;-)

    Tony

    --
    raven-family.comraven-family.com

    "I don't want any yes-men around me. I want everybody to tell me the truth even if it costs them
    their job."

    Samuel Goldwyn

  8. David Damerell said:


    This is tosh; and a particularly unpleasant attack on Feynman which is utterly unjustified.

    Not at all, Feyman was accurate with his use of words but he was also a committer of the Sin of
    Galileo (see for example Gribbin's biography of Feynman). He and many other leading physicists
    subscribe(d) to the idea of "beauty" in theories. Another great physicist, Dirac for example said
    "The research worker, in his effort to express the fundamental laws of Nature in mathematical form
    should strive mainly for mathematical beauty. It often happens that the requirements of simplicity
    and beauty are the same, but where they clash the latter must take precedence"

    Quoted message said:
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    (Quantum Mechanics)

    ... which you actually understand nothing about, I see.

    Is the right answer - I know because Feynman told me so in the opening to his book "QED, The Strange
    Theory of Light and Matter"

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    Ah, you think The Matrix was meaningful. Now I understand.

    No, enjoyable although it has quite a strong philosophical underpinning. If you don't like the
    Matrix as an example of "What if life is all just a dream" try the history of philosophy starting
    with Descartes.

    Tony

    --
    raven-family.comraven-family.com

    "I don't want any yes-men around me. I want everybody to tell me the truth even if it costs them
    their job."

    Samuel Goldwyn

  9. you know? said:

    This is simple bigotry. You evidently know very little of the people you denigrate, and you have no
    idea what is going through their minds. A very good friend of mine is Professor of Bio- and
    Electroanalysis at Cranfield (he was previously on the faculty at UMIST), he is not yet 40 and has
    a string of patents and an international reputation as a scientist, speaking at conferences around
    the world. He is a committed Christian and lives a modest lifestyle despite his status.

    We have been round this loop before.

    Several times, Guy :-)

    You know my thoughts on the subject. However, these current thoughts of mine are diametrically
    opposed from what they were some 20 years ago when I was at skoule.

    I'm also reminded of a certain f****** b******, more commonly known as Fr Wilfrid; he was both my
    headmaster and a Benedictine monk. Wombat, as we used to call him, was a mathematician, physicist
    and computer bod - he used to do quite a bit of work from Imperial College, London, IIRC.

    Wilfrid had absolutely no problem reconciling his Catholicism with his beliefs in the "real world".

    James

    --
    A credit limit is NOT a target.

  10. Tony W said:

    As my great (but not PC) Aunt would say -- he's one home, two away. I never knew what the hell she
    was on about -- but I think it refers to the adherents of one particular sect of a religious belief
    -- common in the

    Quoted message said:

    Hi Tony

    FWIW, this "particular sect of a religious belief" is the faith of about one sixth of the world's
    population.

    Quoted message said:


    Almost certainly :-)

    James

    --
    A credit limit is NOT a target.

  11. Tony Raven said:

    I loved the Jeremy Hardy's comment on the News Quiz about Tony Blair meeting the Pope "How do you
    hold a conversation when you are both infallible?"

    Indeed. I do wish some of those old shows now broadcast on BBC7 would be made available online in a
    "listen again" manner.

    BTW, did you see Bremner , Bird and Fortune a few days ago?

    James

    --
    A credit limit is NOT a target.

  12. James Hodson said:

    did you see Bremner , Bird and Fortune a few days ago?

    Some of the best TV I've seen this year. Top quality satire.

    Guy
    ===
    ** WARNING ** This posting may contain traces of irony. chapmancentral.comchapmancentral.com (BT ADSL and
    dynamic DNS permitting)
    NOTE: BT Openworld have now blocked port 25 (without notice), so old mail addresses may no longer
    work. Apologies.

  13. "James Hodson" <[email hidden]> wrote in

    Quoted message said:


    FWIW, this "particular sect of a religious belief" is the faith of about one sixth of the world's
    population.

    Which is impressive but does not make them right !!

    T

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