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  1. Vaccine link raised in U.S troops' deaths
    By MARK BENJAMIN, UPI Investigations Editor

    WASHINGTON, Aug. 5 (UPI) -- The U.S. Army should look at whether the
    anthrax vaccine is behind the unexplained cluster of pneumonia cases
    among soldiers in Iraq, according to the co-author of a
    government-sponsored study that last year found the vaccine was the
    "possible or probable" cause of pneumonia in two soldiers.

    Dr. John L. Sever of George Washington University Medical School told
    United Press International Tuesday that he expects the military to
    consider the anthrax vaccine, among other possibilities, as it
    investigates pneumonia among soldiers in and around Iraq, where troops
    have been widely vaccinated against anthrax.

    The Pentagon announced Tuesday it is investigating 100 cases of
    pneumonia among soldiers in Iraq and southwestern Asia. Two have died.
    Fifteen have had to be placed on respirators.

    "As physicians, I would think they would be looking at all possible
    causes. I would think vaccines would be part of that," said Sever, a
    medical professor at George Washington who was one of six authors of
    the study. Col. Robert DeFraites from the Army Surgeon General's
    office told reporters at the Pentagon briefing Tuesday that biological
    warfare -- including smallpox or anthrax -- was unlikely to be the
    cause of the pneumonia. He did not mention vaccines as a possible
    cause, and the issue was not raised by reporters.

    DeFraites and spokeswoman Virginia Stephanakis of the Army Surgeon
    General's office did not return calls Tuesday asking whether the
    Pentagon was looking into a possible vaccine connection.

    Sever said the anthrax vaccine study, printed in the May 2002 issue of
    Pharmacoepidemiology and Drug Safety, found that the vaccine was the
    "possible or probable" cause of pneumonia among two soldiers. The
    Department of Health and Human Services convened the group, called the
    Anthrax Vaccine Expert Committee, which studied 602 reports of
    possible reactions to the vaccine among nearly 400,000 troops who
    received it, Sever said.

    In addition to identifying pneumonia and flu-like symptoms among
    troops who received the vaccine, the group also looked at four other
    cases of potentially serious reactions, including severe back pain and
    two soldiers who had sudden difficulty breathing in a possible
    allergic reaction to the vaccine.

    Sever described the two cases of pneumonia as "wheezing and difficulty
    breathing going into a pneumonia-like picture."

    To conduct the study, the Anthrax Vaccine Expert Committee examined
    reports from the U.S. military to the Centers for Disease Control and
    Prevention; they are anecdotal reports and do not necessarily show a
    cause-and-effect relationship.

    DeFraites said the two deaths under investigation by the Army Surgeon
    General occurred in June and July and that both soldiers had been in
    Iraq. He said the investigation began as soon as the first death
    occurred. In a case apparently not included in that total, 22-year-old
    Army specialist Rachael Lacy of Lynwood, Ill., died at the Mayo Clinic
    in Rochester, Minn., on April 4 of what one doctor diagnosed as
    pneumonia, after receiving anthrax and smallpox vaccinations but
    without ever having been deployed.

    Dr. Eric Pfeifer, the Minnesota coroner who performed the autopsy,
    told the Army Times that the smallpox and anthrax vaccines "may have"
    contributed to her death. "It's just very suspicious in my mind...that
    she's healthy, gets the vaccinations and then dies a couple weeks
    later." He listed "post-vaccine" problems on the death certificate.

    Moses Lacy, Rachael Lacy's father, told the Army Times that she called
    in March and said she had chest pains and breathing problems and had
    been diagnosed with pneumonia.

    One service member who was deployed to Kuwait and received the
    four-shot anthrax series told United Press International Tuesday he
    developed bronchitis and a severe cough after receiving his shots, and
    that about a fifth of the troops he was deployed with had similar
    symptoms and were prescribed medicine to treat them. His symptoms
    continued after he returned to the U.S., and he sought further
    treatment at a base clinic. He got better, but believes he nearly came
    down with pneumonia.

    The Pentagon dispatched two teams to look into the pneumonia: one to
    Iraq and another to a U.S. military base in Landstuhl, Germany, where
    some sick soldiers are treated.

  2. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Ilena said:

    Vaccine link raised in U.S troops' deaths
    By MARK BENJAMIN, UPI Investigations Editor

    WASHINGTON, Aug. 5 (UPI) -- The U.S. Army should look at whether the
    anthrax vaccine is behind the unexplained cluster of pneumonia cases
    among soldiers in Iraq, according to the co-author of a
    government-sponsored study that last year found the vaccine was the
    "possible or probable" cause of pneumonia in two soldiers.

    On the other hand, they may have finally stumbled across one of those
    weapons of mass destruction they were supposedly sent to Iraq to
    eliminate. One never knows.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

  3. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Vaccine link raised in U.S troops' deaths
    From: [email hidden] (David Wright)
    Date: 8/5/2003 7:41 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Ilena said:

    Vaccine link raised in U.S troops' deaths
    By MARK BENJAMIN, UPI Investigations Editor

    WASHINGTON, Aug. 5 (UPI) -- The U.S. Army should look at whether the
    anthrax vaccine is behind the unexplained cluster of pneumonia cases
    among soldiers in Iraq, according to the co-author of a
    government-sponsored study that last year found the vaccine was the
    "possible or probable" cause of pneumonia in two soldiers.

    On the other hand, they may have finally stumbled across one of those
    weapons of mass destruction they were supposedly sent to Iraq to
    eliminate. One never knows.

    Yuper, and it was probably the peas.

    Note how David can't bring himself to post the entire article.

    Hang loose Davey, don't give a minutes thought to those who died and those
    suffering,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,make jokes instead.

    Welcome to OH NO we can't be wrong <grasp> EVIL non compassionate *organized
    medicine and it's members.

    They are and wish to remain in big time DENIAL, regardless of the souce,
    because their little EGO's might be brusied.

    Truly sad.

    Jan

    Dr. John L. Sever of George Washington University Medical School told
    United Press International Tuesday that he expects the military to
    consider the anthrax vaccine, among other possibilities, as it
    investigates pneumonia among soldiers in and around Iraq, where troops
    have been widely vaccinated against anthrax.

    The Pentagon announced Tuesday it is investigating 100 cases of
    pneumonia among soldiers in Iraq and southwestern Asia. Two have died.
    Fifteen have had to be placed on respirators.

    "As physicians, I would think they would be looking at all possible
    causes. I would think vaccines would be part of that," said Sever, a
    medical professor at George Washington who was one of six authors of
    the study. Col. Robert DeFraites from the Army Surgeon General's
    office told reporters at the Pentagon briefing Tuesday that biological
    warfare -- including smallpox or anthrax -- was unlikely to be the
    cause of the pneumonia. He did not mention vaccines as a possible
    cause, and the issue was not raised by reporters.

    DeFraites and spokeswoman Virginia Stephanakis of the Army Surgeon
    General's office did not return calls Tuesday asking whether the
    Pentagon was looking into a possible vaccine connection.

    Sever said the anthrax vaccine study, printed in the May 2002 issue of
    Pharmacoepidemiology and Drug Safety, found that the vaccine was the
    "possible or probable" cause of pneumonia among two soldiers. The
    Department of Health and Human Services convened the group, called the
    Anthrax Vaccine Expert Committee, which studied 602 reports of
    possible reactions to the vaccine among nearly 400,000 troops who
    received it, Sever said.

    In addition to identifying pneumonia and flu-like symptoms among
    troops who received the vaccine, the group also looked at four other
    cases of potentially serious reactions, including severe back pain and
    two soldiers who had sudden difficulty breathing in a possible
    allergic reaction to the vaccine.

    Sever described the two cases of pneumonia as "wheezing and difficulty
    breathing going into a pneumonia-like picture."

    To conduct the study, the Anthrax Vaccine Expert Committee examined
    reports from the U.S. military to the Centers for Disease Control and
    Prevention; they are anecdotal reports and do not necessarily show a
    cause-and-effect relationship.

    DeFraites said the two deaths under investigation by the Army Surgeon
    General occurred in June and July and that both soldiers had been in
    Iraq. He said the investigation began as soon as the first death
    occurred. In a case apparently not included in that total, 22-year-old
    Army specialist Rachael Lacy of Lynwood, Ill., died at the Mayo Clinic
    in Rochester, Minn., on April 4 of what one doctor diagnosed as
    pneumonia, after receiving anthrax and smallpox vaccinations but
    without ever having been deployed.

    Dr. Eric Pfeifer, the Minnesota coroner who performed the autopsy,
    told the Army Times that the smallpox and anthrax vaccines "may have"
    contributed to her death. "It's just very suspicious in my mind...that
    she's healthy, gets the vaccinations and then dies a couple weeks
    later." He listed "post-vaccine" problems on the death certificate.

    Moses Lacy, Rachael Lacy's father, told the Army Times that she called
    in March and said she had chest pains and breathing problems and had
    been diagnosed with pneumonia.

    One service member who was deployed to Kuwait and received the
    four-shot anthrax series told United Press International Tuesday he
    developed bronchitis and a severe cough after receiving his shots, and
    that about a fifth of the troops he was deployed with had similar
    symptoms and were prescribed medicine to treat them. His symptoms
    continued after he returned to the U.S., and he sought further
    treatment at a base clinic. He got better, but believes he nearly came
    down with pneumonia.

    The Pentagon dispatched two teams to look into the pneumonia: one to
    Iraq and another to a U.S. military base in Landstuhl, Germany, where
    some sick soldiers are treated.

  4. (Ilena) said:

    Vaccine link raised in U.S troops' deaths
    By MARK BENJAMIN, UPI Investigations Editor

    Quoted message said:

    The Pentagon announced Tuesday it is investigating 100 cases of
    pneumonia among soldiers in Iraq and southwestern Asia. Two have died.
    Fifteen have had to be placed on respirators.

    Let's see ... 100 cases of pneumonia in how many thousands of
    troops in third world countries, over how many months?

    Tsu

    --
    To doubt everything or to believe everything
    are two equally convenient solutions; both
    dispense with the necessity of reflection.
    - Jules Henri Poincaré

  5. "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Ilena said:

    Vaccine link raised in U.S troops' deaths
    By MARK BENJAMIN, UPI Investigations Editor

    WASHINGTON, Aug. 5 (UPI) -- The U.S. Army should look at whether the
    anthrax vaccine is behind the unexplained cluster of pneumonia cases
    among soldiers in Iraq, according to the co-author of a
    government-sponsored study that last year found the vaccine was the
    "possible or probable" cause of pneumonia in two soldiers.

    On the other hand, they may have finally stumbled across one of those
    weapons of mass destruction they were supposedly sent to Iraq to
    eliminate. One never knows.


    well, it IS clear that you never know.

    Quoted message said:

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

  6. --

    "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Note how David can't bring himself to post the entire article.

    Jan, the entire article has already been posted. Anyone who cared to read it
    has already read it and need not see it again. Anyone who does not want to
    read it cannot be bullied into doing so by your stupid habit of posting
    things over and over and over and....

    Do you really so dull as to not understand this, or do you just enjoy being
    an annoying twit?

    --Rich

  7. Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Ilena said:

    Vaccine link raised in U.S troops' deaths
    By MARK BENJAMIN, UPI Investigations Editor

    WASHINGTON, Aug. 5 (UPI) -- The U.S. Army should look at whether the
    anthrax vaccine is behind the unexplained cluster of pneumonia cases
    among soldiers in Iraq, according to the co-author of a
    government-sponsored study that last year found the vaccine was the
    "possible or probable" cause of pneumonia in two soldiers.

    On the other hand, they may have finally stumbled across one of those
    weapons of mass destruction they were supposedly sent to Iraq to
    eliminate. One never knows.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net

    I heard many Desert Storm vets tell of booby traps at various installations.
    Some said that they were exposed to various pathogens in the form of water
    pumped through ceiling mounted, fire-control sprinklers.

    They mentioned Gonorrhea, Syphillis, and Clamydia as being the most common
    "bio-agents". If I'm not mistaken, there are many other ways for a service man
    to acquire the forementioned, and infiltrating a _military_ installation is not
    a necessary pre-requisite. -🙂

  8. --

    "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    FLASH! BREAKING NEWS!

    Army Pneumonia Is No Longer Caused By Vaccines!

    (See "Pneumonia Draws Army Attention" above.)

  9. (Jan) said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Vaccine link raised in U.S troops' deaths
    From: Tsu Dho Nimh [email hidden]

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Let's see ... 100 cases of pneumonia in how many thousands of
    troops in third world countries, over how many months?

    Quoted message said:

    Anything to defend vaccines.

    No, just trying to get a handle on how many soldiers get
    pneumonia a year. If zero were expected, we've got an epidemic.
    If 500 were expected, we have a miracle.

    From a slightly more recent report:
    " The estimated 100 cases of pneumonia reported in the region
    since March 1 are statistically within the norm for a military
    force of the size deployed in Iraq, but the two deaths caught the
    attention of the Army surgeon general's office, DeFraites said.
    Over the past five years, 17 soldiers in the US Army have died of
    pneumonia, or an average of about three a year. So two occurring
    in one area of the world in about a month was enough to cause us
    concern," said DeFraites."

    " The cases have been widely dispersed both geographically and
    over time, and no two cases have been from the same military
    unit, he said."

    " A common form of pneumonia caused by streptococcal bacterial
    infection has been "positively identified" as the source of the
    disease in at least two cases," and he also mentioned that
    Legionnaires and SARS have been ruled out. Which only leaves
    several dozen more possible infectious agents to rule out.

    Quoted message said:

    Or how much stock you own and what your vested interest is??

    Sheesh ... it's back at the "vested interests" again. FYI, the
    main force behind the bill that made a loophole for "nutritional
    supplements" was Sen. Hatch ... whose family is up to their ears
    in supplement marketing. Now THAT'S VESTED!

    Quoted message said:

    Don't give a minutes thought to those who are defending you.

    It's being taken care of:
    http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20030802/wl_afp/us_iraq_pneumonia_030802063128

    If it were the vaccine, the vaccinated troops who are NOT in the
    area would be getting sick.

    Quoted message said:

    Now back to this serious matter, which none of the debunkers can bear to
    repost.

    No, none of us feel the need to repost, because we know how to
    retrieve old newsgroup postings.

    Tsu

    --
    To doubt everything or to believe everything
    are two equally convenient solutions; both
    dispense with the necessity of reflection.
    - Jules Henri Poincaré

  10. In article <[email hidden]>,

    tools said:


    "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Ilena said:

    Vaccine link raised in U.S troops' deaths
    By MARK BENJAMIN, UPI Investigations Editor

    WASHINGTON, Aug. 5 (UPI) -- The U.S. Army should look at whether the
    anthrax vaccine is behind the unexplained cluster of pneumonia cases
    among soldiers in Iraq, according to the co-author of a
    government-sponsored study that last year found the vaccine was the
    "possible or probable" cause of pneumonia in two soldiers.

    On the other hand, they may have finally stumbled across one of those
    weapons of mass destruction they were supposedly sent to Iraq to
    eliminate. One never knows.


    well, it IS clear that you never know.

    Tools, it's very gracious of you to once again demonstrate that you
    are the grand master of the nitwit one-line response, but I was
    already convinced. No need to prove it all over again.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

  11. --

    "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    no make that deliberately trying

    Quoted message said:

    to deceive!

    Jan


    $ KaChing $23

  12. I'm sure they will find them and they will probably have 'made in the
    western world' stamped all over them.
    Anth

    "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Ilena said:

    Vaccine link raised in U.S troops' deaths
    By MARK BENJAMIN, UPI Investigations Editor

    WASHINGTON, Aug. 5 (UPI) -- The U.S. Army should look at whether the
    anthrax vaccine is behind the unexplained cluster of pneumonia cases
    among soldiers in Iraq, according to the co-author of a
    government-sponsored study that last year found the vaccine was the
    "possible or probable" cause of pneumonia in two soldiers.

    On the other hand, they may have finally stumbled across one of those
    weapons of mass destruction they were supposedly sent to Iraq to
    eliminate. One never knows.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

  13. Quoted message said:

    I'm sure they will find them and they will probably have 'made in the
    western world' stamped all over them.
    Anth

    No doubt the French & Germans.

    Quoted message said:


    "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

  14. Tsu Dho Nimh said:

    Sheesh ... it's back at the "vested interests" again. FYI, the
    main force behind the bill that made a loophole for "nutritional
    supplements" was Sen. Hatch ... whose family is up to their ears
    in supplement marketing. Now THAT'S VESTED!

    Invested, with interest.....

    And, he never disclosed it while the bill was pending....

    Imagine if a real Doctor did this on the CDC?

  15. Jan said:
    Quoted message said:

    From: Tsu Dho Nimh [email hidden]
    Date: 8/6/2003 4:46 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Or how much stock you own and what your vested interest is??

    Quoted message said:

    Sheesh ... it's back at the "vested interests" again.

    You betcha and you scream about it in anything alternative, but it is A OK when
    it is the CDC and FDA (which you snipped)

    Quoted message said:

    FYI,

    Quoted message said:

    supplements"

    OOoops.

    Diversion!! And you just made my point!!!

    See how well I can read the debunker group!!

    No, dummy, TDN mentioned it as an example of vested inteests which you
    have never addressed. Why is that?

  16. Mark Probert said:
    Tsu Dho Nimh said:

    Sheesh ... it's back at the "vested interests" again. FYI, the
    main force behind the bill that made a loophole for "nutritional
    supplements" was Sen. Hatch ... whose family is up to their ears
    in supplement marketing. Now THAT'S VESTED!

    Invested, with interest.....

    And, he never disclosed it while the bill was pending....

    Imagine if a real Doctor did this on the CDC?

    I like the way Hatch's son gets $2 million from the supplement
    manufacturers to lobby his father.

    --
    Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
    The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
    The Green Light http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight
    I'm a Bright. Are you?

  17. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Vaccine link raised in U.S troops' deaths
    From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
    Date: 8/8/2003 4:11 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Mark Probert said:
    Tsu Dho Nimh said:

    Sheesh ... it's back at the "vested interests" again. FYI, the
    main force behind the bill that made a loophole for "nutritional
    supplements" was Sen. Hatch ... whose family is up to their ears
    in supplement marketing. Now THAT'S VESTED!

    Invested, with interest.....

    And, he never disclosed it while the bill was pending....

    Imagine if a real Doctor did this on the CDC?

    Yeah just imagine!!

    http://www.vaccineinfo.net/issues/conflictofinterest/conflicts_of_interest
    ..shtml

    Quoted message said:

    I like the way Hatch's son gets $2 million from the supplement
    manufacturers to lobby his father.

    But ingnores all of the above on this website.

    Jan

  18. (Jan) said:


    Quoted message said:

    I like the way Hatch's son gets $2 million from the supplement
    manufacturers to lobby his father.

    But ingnores all of the above on this website.

    Do I take that to mean that you approve of Orrin Hatch's son getting
    $2 million to lobby his father?

    (I was using the word "like" in an ironical sense. I don't really like
    these conflicts of interests at all, but I suppose they are to you OK
    if it's the alts that are doing it.)
    --
    Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
    The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
    The Green Light http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight
    I'm a Bright. Are you?

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