USPS Sucks Ass!!!!

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Why won't those [censored] give George support!!!

Because it would take too much tax money to do it. There is barely enough to
keep Lance going. I can't wait for USPS' replacement team: The IRS. Now
there's another entity that doesn't need to be advertised.

-Bob

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Why won't those [censored] give George support!!!

Because it would take too much tax money to do it. There is barely enough

to

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keep Lance going. I can't wait for USPS' replacement team: The IRS. Now
there's another entity that doesn't need to be advertised.

-Bob

I'm not sure IRS would work as sponsor for an international team. But who
would dare beat them in the US?

Bob C.

Hey

If the IRS took over, would they register 1st Div, or to save taxes, maybe 3rd Div?

Thanks,
Ronde

If there was a Canadian version they would enter Div.3 and charge the tax
payers for Div.1!

James

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Hey

If the IRS took over, would they register 1st Div, or to save taxes,

maybe 3rd Div?

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Thanks,
Ronde

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Why won't those [censored] give George support!!!

Because it would take too much tax money to do it. There is barely

enough to

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keep Lance going. I can't wait for USPS' replacement team: The IRS.

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in article [email hidden], Bob at [email hidden] wrote on
4/8/04 7:45 AM:

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"Richard" wrote in message...

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Why won't those [censored] give George support!!!

Because it would take too much tax money to do it. There is barely enough to
keep Lance going. I can't wait for USPS' replacement team: The IRS. Now
there's another entity that doesn't need to be advertised.

Silly me, I thought it was going to be Berry Floor. Shows what I know...

Personally, I'm hoping that Specialized gets into Div. I sponsorship (and I
don't mean Domina Vacanze). I'd be their biggest fan, and local too. 🙂

-Sonarrat.

Joke, meet Sonarrat. Sonarrat ... joke.

My point was that I don't think tax dollars should be spent on a racing team
to advertise that which does not need to be advertised.

-Bob

Sonarrat said:

in article , Bob at wrote on
4/8/04 7:45 AM:

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Because it would take too much tax money to do it. There is barely

enough to

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keep Lance going. I can't wait for USPS' replacement team: The IRS. Now
there's another entity that doesn't need to be advertised.

Silly me, I thought it was going to be Berry Floor. Shows what I know...

-Sonarrat.

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Joke, meet Sonarrat. Sonarrat ... joke.

My point was that I don't think tax dollars should be spent on a racing

team

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to advertise that which does not need to be advertised.

-Bob

Fine, but advertising DOES help USPS. Do you really think that people do not
have any alternatives to the USPS? How do you account for this odd stament?
Hell, I can even make an argument for the IRS having a marketing budget, but
it should be spent on specific messages rather than institutional
advertising. Then again, if the IRS wants to change the way people feel
about them (maybe that is a worthy goal and maybe it isn't but *if*) then a
cycling team led my the best American riders would go along way in changing
the way people feel about the institution and the people that are part of
it.

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Sonarrat said:

in article , Bob at wrote on
4/8/04 7:45 AM:

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Because it would take too much tax money to do it. There is barely

enough to

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keep Lance going. I can't wait for USPS' replacement team: The IRS.

Now

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there's another entity that doesn't need to be advertised.

Silly me, I thought it was going to be Berry Floor. Shows what I

know...

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-Sonarrat.

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My point was that I don't think tax dollars should be spent on a racing team
to advertise that which does not need to be advertised.

-Bob

I have a good friend who worked for DHL. She says it was tough to go
up against the USPS for international shipping. They get away with
predatory pricing and other funkey stuff because they are part
government agency part private company. They profit from ads just
like DHL does, because they are trying to win biz contracts just like
DHL.

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Joke, meet Sonarrat. Sonarrat ... joke.

My point was that I don't think tax dollars should be spent on a racing

team

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to advertise that which does not need to be advertised.

-Bob

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in article , Bob at wrote on
4/8/04 7:45 AM:

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Because it would take too much tax money to do it. There is barely

enough to

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keep Lance going. I can't wait for USPS' replacement team: The IRS.

Now

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there's another entity that doesn't need to be advertised.

Silly me, I thought it was going to be Berry Floor. Shows what I

know...

Say Bob, apparently you think that tax dollars should be wasted paying for
mail delivery though. Due to the popularization of USPS from the exposure of
Lance. USPS overseas services greatly increased and paid back more than they
cost.

I'm glad you're not running a company that I own stock in. There are enough
damned idiots in government service.

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Say Bob, apparently you think that tax dollars should be wasted paying for
mail delivery though. Due to the popularization of USPS from the exposure

of

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Lance. USPS overseas services greatly increased and paid back more than

they

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cost.

I'm glad you're not running a company that I own stock in. There are

enough

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damned idiots in government service.

Well, apparently you approve of the 3 BILLION dollar loss the USPS has had
since 2000. You own stock in USPS whether you like it or not, moron.

-Bob

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Say Bob, apparently you think that tax dollars should be wasted paying

for

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mail delivery though. Due to the popularization of USPS from the

exposure

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of

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Lance. USPS overseas services greatly increased and paid back more than

they

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cost.

I'm glad you're not running a company that I own stock in. There are

enough

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damned idiots in government service.

Well, apparently you approve of the 3 BILLION dollar loss the USPS has had
since 2000.

Do you attribute that loss the the team sponsorship? It would have
apparently been even worse if not for the marketing payoff from the
sponsorship. There are a lot of factors coming from direct comptitors as
well as alternative techologies.

Face it, you only *assume* it is a bad deal for USPS. They got huge returns
since they won the Tour in the past 5 out of 8 seasons of sponsorship.

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You own stock in USPS whether you like it or not, moron.

-Bob

Bob said:

Well, apparently you approve of the 3 BILLION dollar loss the USPS has
had since 2000. You own stock in USPS whether you like it or not, moron.

Sigh. We go through this every couple of months. Here's a link to the USPS
annual report:
http://www.usps.com/history/anrpt03/

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Bob said:

Well, apparently you approve of the 3 BILLION dollar loss the USPS has
had since 2000. You own stock in USPS whether you like it or not, moron.

Sigh. We go through this every couple of months. Here's a link to the USPS
annual report:
http://www.usps.com/history/anrpt03/

Try this link:
http://www.postalwatch.org/news2004/2004_03_24_au_revoir_lance.htm
....
"The powers to be at the USPS not only cooked the books, but they also deep
fried, grilled and everything else known to man, in their accounting and
reporting of their sponsorships of Lance Armstrong's Tour de France cycling
team since 1996," the newspapers said in a commentary last year.
....
"Their diligence in pursuing Freedom of Information requests and trying to
cut through the maze of the post office's sketchy cost accounting has been a
bright light for public scrutiny of wasteful spending," Merritt said.
Merritt, a fighter against waste in government, had strong words on hearing
the news of the USPS pulling the plug on its sponsorship program.

"Talk about a government boondoggle, the pro-cycling sponsorship exemplifies
just how delusional postal leadership can be," Merritt said.
"They raised domestic monopoly rates three times while forcing captive
ratepayers to pay more than $50 million to sponsor a European sporting event
and then, adding insult to injury, they achieved a negative result."
....

Let's get something straight - apparently you are talking $3 billion of
losses and then telling us that this is due to the $10 million it costs to
support the team each year. I suggest you take some elementary arithmetic.

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Bob said:

Well, apparently you approve of the 3 BILLION dollar loss the USPS has
had since 2000. You own stock in USPS whether you like it or not,

moron.

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Sigh. We go through this every couple of months. Here's a link to the

USPS

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annual report:
http://www.usps.com/history/anrpt03/

Try this link:
http://www.postalwatch.org/news2004/2004_03_24_au_revoir_lance.htm
...
"The powers to be at the USPS not only cooked the books, but they also

deep

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fried, grilled and everything else known to man, in their accounting and
reporting of their sponsorships of Lance Armstrong's Tour de France

cycling

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team since 1996," the newspapers said in a commentary last year.
...
"Their diligence in pursuing Freedom of Information requests and trying to
cut through the maze of the post office's sketchy cost accounting has been

a

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bright light for public scrutiny of wasteful spending," Merritt said.
Merritt, a fighter against waste in government, had strong words on

hearing

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the news of the USPS pulling the plug on its sponsorship program.

"Talk about a government boondoggle, the pro-cycling sponsorship

exemplifies

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just how delusional postal leadership can be," Merritt said.
"They raised domestic monopoly rates three times while forcing captive
ratepayers to pay more than $50 million to sponsor a European sporting

event

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and then, adding insult to injury, they achieved a negative result."
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Try this link:
http://www.postalwatch.org/news2004/2004_03_24_au_revoir_lance.htm

Yeah these folks have *ALL* the answers. The word bias rears it's ugly
head. Everyone has to have a windmill I guess.

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Bob said:

Well, apparently you approve of the 3 BILLION dollar loss the USPS has
had since 2000. You own stock in USPS whether you like it or not, moron.

Sigh. We go through this every couple of months. Here's a link to the USPS
annual report:
http://www.usps.com/history/anrpt03/

USPS MADE 4 Billion in FY 2003. Guess advertising works.

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Bob said:

Well, apparently you approve of the 3 BILLION dollar loss the USPS has
had since 2000. You own stock in USPS whether you like it or not,

moron.

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Sigh. We go through this every couple of months. Here's a link to the

USPS

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annual report:
http://www.usps.com/history/anrpt03/

USPS MADE 4 Billion in FY 2003. Guess advertising works.

For clarification's sake, as I understand it, the USPS is a quasi-government
entity in that it is a government operation, but meant to be self sufficient
in terms of funding. OTOH, if it makes a profit, where does the profit go?
It is still a publicly owned agency; there are no dividends to be paid.
Would it go back into infrastructure, helping to pay down the national debt,
or pooled for future use for times ahead when the current fee structure no
longer meets the needs?

Carl Sundquist said:

For clarification's sake, as I understand it, the USPS is a
quasi-government entity in that it is a government operation, but meant
to be self sufficient in terms of funding. OTOH, if it makes a profit,
where does the profit go? It is still a publicly owned agency; there
are no dividends to be paid. Would it go back into infrastructure,
helping to pay down the national debt, or pooled for future use for
times ahead when the current fee structure no longer meets the needs?

The latter.