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  1. I've recently started producing a couple of calendars, one of the Brecon Beacons and one of the
    Gower Peninsula (see link in my sig below if interested) and I was wondering if anyone would be
    interested in an URW Expedition calendar?

    I have photographs of many of the expeditions and also a number of high res scans of Chris Boughay's
    photographs taken on most of the others that I didn't attend, so between us we have quite a good
    coverage of most of the expeditions, although there may be a few gaps. I've contacted Chris about
    this idea and he's happy to let me use some of his photos for a fair share of any profits

    Is there any interest in such a calendar? My idea is to choose a representative selection of
    photographs taken during the various expeditions. I don't want to select "group" photos, which are
    mainly of interest only to the participants, but instead to choose photos which show the areas
    visited, preferably with a few expeditioneers included in the picture, rather than just landscapes
    devoid of people. In other words, a representative selection that captures the flavour of the
    expeditions.

    Such a calendar may be of nostalgic interest to those who've participated in the past and
    perhaps others in this newsgroup who've thought about joining an expedition but haven't got
    around to it yet.

    One problem is that we've had 14 expeditions so far but there's only room for 12 photographs in the
    calendar. Another problem is that there may not be photos available for every expedition - the ill-
    fated expedition 10 springs to mind, I'm not sure if any photos at all were taken on that one.

    Ideally what I'd like to do is choose one photo from each of the first 12 expeditions, but this may
    or may not be practical, depending on whether or not any decent photos are available for each one.
    Some expeditions were washouts, but perhaps it may be a good idea to show that?

    Anyway, since this calendar would be designed specifically for the newsgroup, it's only fair to ask
    for input about what you'd like to see in the calendar, so any and all suggestions are welcome.

    The asking price would be £5 per calendar, plus £1 post and packing in the UK.

    So is anyone interested in this idea?

    Paul
    --
    Calendars for 2004
    wildwales.fsnet.co.ukcal.html
    wilderness-wales.co.ukwilderness-wales.co.uk
    photosig.comuserphotos

  2. Quoted message said:

    I've recently started producing a couple of calendars, one of the Brecon Beacons and one of the
    Gower Peninsula (see link in my sig below if interested) and I was wondering if anyone would be
    interested in an URW Expedition calendar?

    Yes, I would. Only been on Exped 13, so will probably not feature, but I am sure the photos will be
    great Paul.

    Quoted message said:

    I have photographs of many of the expeditions and also a number of high res scans of Chris
    Boughay's photographs taken on most of the others that I didn't attend, so between us we have
    quite a good coverage of most of the expeditions, although there may be a few gaps. I've
    contacted Chris about this idea and he's happy to let me use some of his photos for a fair share
    of any profits

    Indeed.

    Quoted message said:

    Is there any interest in such a calendar? My idea is to choose a representative selection of
    photographs taken during the various expeditions. I don't want to select "group" photos, which are
    mainly of interest only to the participants, but instead to choose photos which show the areas
    visited, preferably with a few expeditioneers included in the picture, rather than just landscapes
    devoid of people. In other words, a representative selection that captures the flavour of the
    expeditions.

    Again, yes count me in.

    Quoted message said:

    Ideally what I'd like to do is choose one photo from each of the first 12 expeditions, but this
    may or may not be practical, depending on whether or not any decent photos are available for each
    one. Some expeditions were washouts, but perhaps it may be a good idea to show that?

    Of course, every photo has its own story to tell.

    Quoted message said:

    Anyway, since this calendar would be designed specifically for the newsgroup, it's only fair to
    ask for input about what you'd like to see in the calendar, so any and all suggestions are
    welcome.

    12 months .......

    Quoted message said:

    The asking price would be £5 per calendar, plus £1 post and packing in the UK.

    Sounds a good price to me for a personalise calendar.

    Quoted message said:

    So is anyone interested in this idea?

    Once more .... yes.

    --
    Sandy Saunders @ www.thewalkzone.co.uk

    'Mountains or Mole Hills ... summiting still brings
    the same excitement'

  3. sandy saunders said:
    Quoted message said:

    I was wondering if anyone would be interested in an URW Expedition calendar?

    Yes, I would.

    Oh good! So far it seems you're the only one! Where are all the other regular expeditioneers? Surely
    they can't be out walking at this time of year? ;-)

    Quoted message said:

    Only been on Exped 13, so will probably not feature, but I am sure the photos will be great Paul.

    Well who knows? As I said, there may not have been any photos taken on Exp 10, so rather than
    leaving a symbolically blank page, Exp 13 could sneak in.

    Quoted message said:

    Of course, every photo has its own story to tell.

    Indeed. In fact, I doubt that any expedition could be summed up by a single photograph. It may take
    two or even three photos to really give a valid representation of any given expedition.

    This is something I would like to discuss further, if there's any interest of course. Would a strict
    "one photo per expedition" rule work best, or a more flexible "collection of good expedition photos"
    be better? In retrospect it might have been better to do this sooner, before the number of
    expeditions exceeded the number of months in the year!

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    any and all suggestions are welcome.

    12 months .......

    That's not a bad idea, and a fairly conventional one if I may say so. One friend recently suggested
    doing an 18 month calendar!

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    The asking price would be £5 per calendar, plus £1 post and packing in the UK.

    Sounds a good price to me for a personalise calendar.

    Glad you agree. There is quite a bit of work involved.

    Anyone else interested? Any more suggestions?

    Paul
    --
    Calendars for 2004
    wildwales.fsnet.co.ukcal.html
    wilderness-wales.co.ukwilderness-wales.co.uk
    photosig.comuserphotos

  4. "Paul Saunders" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    sandy saunders wrote:

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    The asking price would be £5 per calendar, plus £1 post and packing in the UK.

    Sounds a good price to me for a personalise calendar.

    Glad you agree. There is quite a bit of work involved.

    Hi Paul, I was wondering about this. 12 pages of A4 for £5? Is it on photo paper? If so, that sounds
    like you'd be losing money! Or is it a single page calendar or something?

    Quoted message said:

    Anyone else interested? Any more suggestions?

    Anyway, good luck with it, and your two other calendars look excellent. Are they also 12 pages, or 1
    page? Photo paper or normal paper?

    Quoted message said:

    Paul

    Ste

  5. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    The asking price would be £5 per calendar, plus £1 post and packing in the UK.

    Sounds a good price to me for a personalise calendar.

    Glad you agree. There is quite a bit of work involved.

    Anyone else interested? Any more suggestions?

    Paul

    Sounds cheap to me, count me in. Then I would suggest a bonus January means another photo can
    be included.

  6. ste © said:

    Hi Paul, I was wondering about this. 12 pages of A4 for £5? Is it on photo paper?

    Believe it or not yes, but not the highest quality paper obviously.

    Quoted message said:

    If so, that sounds like you'd be losing money! Or is it a single page calendar or something?

    No, the papers are double sided, so that's 6 sheets for the calendar plus 1 cover sheet. After some
    searching and experimentation I found economically priced paper that gives good results. They're
    both HP papers.

    1. HP premium heavyweight paper, matt - 135 g/m2 - cost £17.50 for 100 sheets.

    2. HP brochure and flyer paper, glossy - 160g/m2 - cost £10 for 50 sheets.

    The quality is surprisingly good considering the price. I can't see any difference in image quality
    between the HP matt and the more expensive Epson heavyweight matt. The glossy paper, as the name
    indicates, is designed for brochures and flyers so it has that kind of feel to it, thinner than
    photo paper but thicker than glossy magazine paper. There's nothing wrong with the sharpness of the
    images, they're just as sharp as on more expensive paper.

    The critical factor is the ink. If I were using Epson cartridges this wouldn't be possible, but I've
    managed to source some cheap inks from www.kc-Inks.co.uk which look just as good as the Epson inks.
    Of course the difference will probably be the longevity of the inks, but since a calendar is only
    designed to last one year I doubt that will be a problem.

    If it isn't already obvious, I'm not using my 2100 to print these calendars, that would be insanely
    expensive! I'm using my older 880 printer, which gives very respectable results, but not archive
    quality of course. An archive quality calendar would be *very expensive*!

    If I weren't happy with the quality I wouldn't be selling these calendars, and if the customers
    weren't happy they wouldn't be buying them. I've already sold quite a few Gower and Beacons
    calendars locally and no-one's complained about the quality, quite the opposite in fact. If
    longevity is an issue, the matt paper will probably last much longer than the glossy. Although most
    people traditionally tend to prefer glossy, the matt looks just as good IMO, if not better because
    there's no reflection. I think that modern matt papers are seriously under-rated by those who
    automatically associate photos with glossy paper.

    It takes me 45 minutes to print each calendar, plus a bit extra to package them. I'm using two brass
    paper fasteners to join the pages together, which look quite nice, plus an elastic band to hang them
    (I know, hardly professional but the cheapest and simplest solution I could think of - I can't
    justify the expense of proper spiral punch thingy yet). To change the pages you simply remove the
    paper fasteners, change the page order and put the fasteners back in. A bit more fiddly than
    flipping the page over, but hey, you only have to do it once a month. They're also packaged in
    polypropylene bags.

    Quoted message said:

    Anyway, good luck with it, and your two other calendars look excellent.

    Thanks.

    Quoted message said:

    Are they also 12 pages, or 1 page? Photo paper or normal paper?

    7 pages, paper as above.

    Paul
    --
    Calendars for 2004
    wildwales.fsnet.co.ukcal.html
    wilderness-wales.co.ukwilderness-wales.co.uk
    photosig.comuserphotos

  7. Mike Mussard said:

    Sounds cheap to me, count me in. Then I would suggest a bonus January means another photo can be
    included.

    Good idea, the other side of the cover is blank so that's quite easy to do with no extra paper
    required. That would allow 1 pic per 13 expeditions, which would cover them all if there are no
    photos for expedition 10.

    Did anyone take any photos on expedition 10? The one where the theft occurred in the Lake District?
    If anyone knows of any please contact me.

    Since Mike suggested a bonus January pic, why not take the idea further and add a few more months,
    perhaps an 18 month calendar? This would allow more good pics to be included, since there's more
    than one good representative pic for most expeditions, particularly when you consider that there's
    usually two decent walks per expedition. Of course the price would have to go up proportionately.

    Anyone think this is a good idea, or a silly one?

    Paul
    --
    Calendars for 2004
    wildwales.fsnet.co.ukcal.html
    wilderness-wales.co.ukwilderness-wales.co.uk
    photosig.comuserphotos

  8. "Paul Saunders" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...
    | ste © wrote:
    |
    | > Hi Paul, I was wondering about this. 12 pages of A4 for £5? Is it on photo paper?
    |
    | Believe it or not yes, but not the highest quality paper obviously.

    That's still pretty good!

    | > If so, that sounds like you'd be losing money! Or is it a single page calendar or something?
    |
    | No, the papers are double sided, so that's 6 sheets for the calendar plus 1 cover sheet. After
    | some searching and experimentation I found economically priced paper that gives good results.
    | They're both HP papers.
    |
    | 1. HP premium heavyweight paper, matt - 135 g/m2 - cost £17.50 for 100 sheets.
    |
    | 2. HP brochure and flyer paper, glossy - 160g/m2 - cost £10 for 50 sheets.
    |
    | The quality is surprisingly good considering the price. I can't see any difference in image
    | quality between the HP matt and the more expensive Epson heavyweight matt. The glossy paper, as
    | the name indicates, is designed for brochures and flyers so it has that kind of feel to it,
    | thinner than photo paper but thicker than glossy magazine paper. There's nothing wrong with the
    | sharpness of the images, they're just as sharp as on more expensive paper.

    Sounds great then!

    | The critical factor is the ink. If I were using Epson cartridges this wouldn't be possible, but
    | I've managed to source some cheap inks from www.kc-Inks.co.uk which look just as good as the Epson
    | inks. Of course the difference will probably be the longevity of the inks, but since a calendar is
    | only designed to last one year I doubt that will be a problem.

    That's it, after a year, people put the calendars in the bin anyway, so that's no problem. If anyone
    likes your photos that much, they can order an individual print from the Epson 2100! ;-)

    | If it isn't already obvious, I'm not using my 2100 to print these calendars, that would be
    | insanely expensive! I'm using my older 880 printer, which gives very respectable results, but not
    | archive quality of course. An archive quality calendar would be *very expensive*!

    That's what I was thinking, so good to know you're business sense is pretty good! ;-)

    | If I weren't happy with the quality I wouldn't be selling these calendars, and if the customers
    | weren't happy they wouldn't be buying them. I've already sold quite a few Gower and Beacons
    | calendars locally and no-one's complained about the quality, quite the opposite in fact. If
    | longevity is an issue, the matt paper will probably last much longer than the glossy. Although
    | most people traditionally tend to prefer glossy, the matt looks just as good IMO, if not better
    | because there's no reflection. I think that modern matt papers are seriously under-rated by those
    | who automatically associate photos with glossy paper.

    I do prefer the glossy paper personally, but did you see the archival matt paper in the Epson 2100
    sample pack, using the matt black ink? That's very impressive!

    | It takes me 45 minutes to print each calendar, plus a bit extra to package them. I'm using two
    | brass paper fasteners to join the pages together, which look quite nice, plus an elastic band to
    | hang them (I know, hardly professional but the cheapest and simplest solution I could think of - I
    | can't justify the expense of proper spiral punch thingy yet). To change the pages you simply
    | remove the paper fasteners, change the page order and put the fasteners back in. A bit more fiddly
    | than flipping the page over, but hey, you only have to do it once a month. They're also packaged
    | in polypropylene bags.

    It sounds like great value for £5 each though! I've already got my main calendar for 2004, my
    girlfriend bought me a panoramic one of landscapes from WH Smiths for £12.99 (steep!). But I could
    do with one for the office, and one for my girlfriend's house as I spend my weekends there usually.

    I'm not really interested in the expedition calendar as I've never been on one, so they don't have
    as much meaning to me, but I think I'll order one each of the Brecon Beacons and the Gower
    Peninsula, as those images look great! I'll put a cheque in the post Paul for £12 for the two,
    including the postage and packing.

    | > Anyway, good luck with it, and your two other calendars look excellent.
    |
    | Thanks.

    No problem, and they should look great on the office wall and girlfriends wall! ;-)

    In the Gower calendar, the January photo of Worms Head, with that lovely coloured sky; the sky was
    just like that on the horizon in Liverpool earlier in the week! I've never seen it like that before,
    and I just wish I wasn't working at the time and had my camera with me! Oh well, if you can't beat
    it, buy the calendar instead! ;-)

    | > Are they also 12 pages, or 1 page? Photo paper or normal paper?
    |
    | 7 pages, paper as above.
    |
    | Paul

    Ste

  9. <snip>

    Paul, its an excellent idea. You can put me down for one. Reading the comments above - I'd
    personally have thought a 12(/13) month calendar is best.. The trouble with 18 month ones I always
    find is what do you do for the 7th month of the following year?

    Also.. I presume the intention is for an A4 wall hanging affair? will have one if they're produced
    either way - but an A5 style desk calendar to sit on my monitor at work would be imensely useful ;o)

    M

  10. In article <[email hidden]>, Fran <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    It starts in September and then goes through to the end of the December 15 months later, so it
    includes the academic year plus a bit. I have no idea why it has the extra bit, unless it's to
    bridge the gap between the end of the academic year and the next ordinary 12 month calendar
    starting - which, thinking about it, it probably is.

    Jan 1 to Dec 31 can be a bit of a nuisance because if you have made appointments in 2003 for early
    2004 you've no calendar to writer them on!

    15 months from Jan to Dec-Mar would be good.
    --
    Bill Grey billboy.co.ukbillboy.co.uk

  11. In message <[email hidden]>, Paul Saunders <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    So is anyone interested in this idea?


    I'll buy one.

    --
    Martin Richardson
    216/284 Munros (34/34 'Furths'😉
    217/89 Donalds 397/1552 Marilyns 439/439 Nuttalls

  12. In message <[email hidden]>, Paul Saunders <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:
    Martin Richardson said:
    Quoted message said:

    So is anyone interested in this idea?


    I'll buy one.

    Thanks Martin. Any suggestions for what you'd like to see in the calendar? One photo from each
    expedition? In order or more closely matching the months?


    I don't mind as long as I am in every shot :-)

    No, seriously I would prefer one from each expedition as long as it does not mean a drop in quality
    if some areas are less photogenic than others.

    --
    Martin Richardson
    216/284 Munros (34/34 'Furths'😉
    217/89 Donalds 397/1552 Marilyns 439/439 Nuttalls

  13. In article <[email hidden]>, Paul Saunders <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    Good point. I'd be willing to do that and it would allow space to cover all the expeditions. I'd
    have to up the price a bit though.

    Why not?
    --
    Bill Grey billboy.co.ukbillboy.co.uk

  14. Paul Saunders said:

    Anyway, since this calendar would be designed specifically for the newsgroup, it's only fair to
    ask for input about what you'd like to see in the calendar, so any and all suggestions are
    welcome.

    Quoted message said:

    The asking price would be £5 per calendar, plus £1 post and packing in the UK.

    Quoted message said:

    So is anyone interested in this idea?

    Yes, please!
    Mark
    --
    Mark Manning [email hidden]

  15. So what's the 'plan of attack' now Paul? Do you feel there is enough interest to producing a
    Exped calendar?

    --
    Sandy Saunders @ www.thewalkzone.co.uk

    'Mountains or Mole Hills ... summiting still brings
    the same excitement'

  16. In message <[email hidden]>, sandy saunders
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    So what's the 'plan of attack' now Paul? Do you feel there is enough interest to producing a Exped
    calendar?

    --


    And then organising an expedition to distribute them?

    --
    Martin Richardson
    216/284 Munros (34/34 'Furths'😉
    217/89 Donalds 397/1552 Marilyns 439/439 Nuttalls

  17. Phil Cook <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:
    Paul Rooney said:
    Martin Richardson said:

    In message <[email hidden]>, sandy saunders
    <[email hidden]> writes
    >So what's the 'plan of attack' now Paul? Do you feel there is enough interest to producing a
    >Exped calendar?
    >
    >
    >--
    And then organising an expedition to distribute them?

    In time for next January...

    You could put the dates for the expeditions in it. That way, we would only have to argue where we
    were going. :-)

    How many blank pages would there be though?
    --
    Gordon

  18. In message <[email hidden]>, Fran <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] said...

    Quoted message said:
    Gordon said:

    Phil Cook <[email hidden]> wrote
    >On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 16:48:19 +0000, Paul Rooney wrote:
    >
    >>On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 16:34:26 +0000, Martin Richardson <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >>
    >>>In message <[email hidden]>, sandy saunders
    >>><[email hidden]> writes
    >>>>So what's the 'plan of attack' now Paul? Do you feel there is enough interest to producing a
    >>>>Exped calendar?
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>--
    >>>And then organising an expedition to distribute them?
    >>
    >>In time for next January...
    >
    >You could put the dates for the expeditions in it. That way, we would only have to argue where
    >we were going. :-)

    How many blank pages would there be though?

    What about the pictures? Are we getting something along the lines of readers' wives?


    I hope not, because I haven't got a wife and I'd hate to be left out! :-)

    There's quite a few of us here without wives.

    --
    Martin Richardson
    216/284 Munros (34/34 'Furths'😉
    217/89 Donalds 397/1552 Marilyns 439/439 Nuttalls

  19. Mark Gowans said:

    Paul, its an excellent idea. You can put me down for one.

    Okay, now if just a few more people would express an interest...

    Quoted message said:

    Reading the comments above - I'd personally have thought a 12(/13) month calendar is best..
    The trouble with 18 month ones I always find is what do you do for the 7th month of the
    following year?

    13 months is easy. You'd probably buy another calendar next year though.

    Quoted message said:

    Also.. I presume the intention is for an A4 wall hanging affair? will have one if they're
    produced either way - but an A5 style desk calendar to sit on my monitor at work would be
    imensely useful ;o)

    Yeah, wall hanging. Not quite sure what you mean by A5 style desk calendar. Doubt I could easily
    create one in that format without have to change the whole design.

    Paul
    --
    Calendars for 2004
    wildwales.fsnet.co.ukcal.html
    wilderness-wales.co.ukwilderness-wales.co.uk
    photosig.comuserphotos

  20. Martin Richardson said:
    Quoted message said:

    So is anyone interested in this idea?


    I'll buy one.

    Thanks Martin. Any suggestions for what you'd like to see in the calendar? One photo from each
    expedition? In order or more closely matching the months?

    Paul
    --
    Calendars for 2004
    wildwales.fsnet.co.ukcal.html
    wilderness-wales.co.ukwilderness-wales.co.uk
    photosig.comuserphotos

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