upgrading 8 to 9 speed?

Bob Sapp said:

Got a bike from Europe. Seems to be a 99 Dura-Ace model but I guess the 99 models in Europe still
used 8 speed cassettes.

No, the 8-speed setup was discontinued in 1996. I think you may have been cheated.

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What do I need to change to make it work with the 9 speed? Clearly a new
shifter/derailler/cassette but what else? Do I need a new chain/front deraileur too? Just post a
message to the group for everyone's benefit.

Unfortunately, pre-1997 (pre 9-speed) Dura-Ace stuff is not fully interchangeable with the rest of
Shimano's line. I have a detailed article about this at sheldonbrown.comdura ace.htmlOpen ↗

To convert to 9-speed, you will need:

•Shifters (any Shimano 9-speed shifters, they don't need to be Dura-Ace)

•Rear derailer (any Shimano rear derailer except old Dura-Ace)

•Cassette (any 9-speed cassette that doesn't have an 11 tooth sprocket)

•Chain (any 9-speed chain)

•Handlebar tape (any 9-speed index-compatible handlebar tape)

Some folks will tell you that you need to mess with the crankset and front derailer, but they
are mistaken.

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Sheldon Brown said:

•Handlebar tape (any 9-speed index-compatible handlebar tape) Sheldon "Make Sure To Get The Right
Tape" Brown

Sheldon, you crack me up......

Kevin

Bob-<< Got a bike from Europe. Seems to be a 99 Dura-Ace model but I guess the 99 models in Europe
still used 8 speed cassettes. >><BR><BR>

Doubt this...DA became 9s in 1997, even in Europe.

<< What do I need to change to make it work with the 9 speed? Clearly a new
shifter/derailler/cassette but what else? >><BR><BR>

If it is indeed 8s DA, then need shifter(right), rear der, cassette and chain.

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Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

If it is indeed 8s DA, then need shifter(right), rear der, cassette and chain.

Why the rear derailleur?

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Peter Chisholm said:

Quoted message said:

If it is indeed 8s DA, then need shifter(right), rear der, cassette and chain.

David L. Johnson asked:

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Why the rear derailleur?

Older Dura-Ace rear derailers used a shorter cable pull per shift than newer designs. 1996 and older
(6-,7- & 8-speed) Dura-Ace suffered from this. Shimano brought the Dura-Ace line into harmony with
the rest of their products for the 1997 model year, when they introduced 9-speed.

I have an article that explains the very good reasons for this, and offers ways of coping with the
various incompatibilities of older Dura-Ace stuff:

sheldonbrown.comdura ace.htmlOpen ↗

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Actually, you don't need a new derailer. Shimano's indexing is determined by the shifter. If your
current mech. will handle the range, save yourself some money.

You will need a new hub (the 9's are longer), new shifter, cables are a good idea, unless the ones
you have are still in good shape, The manufacturers all say you need a special 9 speed chain too,
but I've heard different from some of the folks here.

May you have the wind at your back. And a really low gear for the hills! Chris

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"Index compatible handlebar tape"? ROTFL!!!

May you have the wind at your back. And a really low gear for the hills! Chris

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Bob Sapp said:

Got a bike from Europe. Seems to be a 99 Dura-Ace model but I guess the 99 models in Europe
still used 8 speed cassettes.

Quoted message said:

No, the 8-speed setup was discontinued in 1996. I think you may have been cheated.

Quoted message said:

To convert to 9-speed, you will need:

•Shifters (any Shimano 9-speed shifters, they don't need to be Dura-Ace)

•Rear derailer (any Shimano rear derailer except old Dura-Ace)

•Cassette (any 9-speed cassette that doesn't have an 11 tooth sprocket)

•Chain (any 9-speed chain)

•Handlebar tape (any 9-speed index-compatible handlebar tape)

You're mean, Sheldon.

Hilarious, but mean 🙂

Bill

(I might have fallen for that when I was new, but now that I've been on *TWO* road rides...)

Its likely the bike came with an old cassette. It is very easy to get 9spd levers to work with an
8spd drivetrain. Take it to a local shop for a tune up and ask them to check it out for you.

All decent shops will have a good selection of 9spd tape.

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Bob Sapp said:

Got a bike from Europe. Seems to be a 99 Dura-Ace model but I guess the 99 models in Europe
still used 8 speed cassettes.