Update to Dave's Story

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Subject: Update to Dave's Story
From: "Dave Wickware" [email hidden]
Date: 5/14/04 8:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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Finally, my intuitive doctor determined that these
infections were originating in my jaw, manifesting in my
sinuses and then draining into my lungs. A google search
for "jawbone infection" yielded a bunch of info such as...
findarticles.comcf dlsOpen ↗

Does this relate at all to Dr. Rosenow's nobel prize work on
the "focii of disease"?, published circa 1914?

DrC PhD

In article <[email hidden]>,

Dave Wickware said:

As it turns out I have a bone infection in the wisdom
tooth sockets on both left and right lower. I will begin
treatment for both of these in two weeks time. I will
receive three weekly sessions of intravenous vitamin C,
followed by the scraping of the bone to completely remove
the infected area.

LOL! If the sockets are truly infected (which would be
osteomyelitis, an infection of the bone), then debridment
(scraping) will do far more to cure the problem than vitamin
C, which won't do anything. In this case, if you truly have
such an infection, it is the old fashioned conventional
surgical treatment that will take care of it.

BTW, "cavitation" is a bit of a questionable catch-all
concept for problems causing neuralgia, but for the moment
I'll operate under the assumption that you might actually
have osteomyelitis of the jaw.

Quoted message said:

This is followed by three more weekly sessions of
intravenous vitamin C injections. The process will then be
repeated for the other side.

Why only one side at a time? Why debride just one site of
infection and leave another accessible site untouched? It
makes no sense.

Quoted message said:

Bone marrow infections can not be touched by antibiotics
because the bone is dead and no longer has any blood
flow in it.

[censored]. Osteomyelitis is cured with antibiotics all the
time by orthopedic surgeons. However, you are correct that
once the infection has progressed to the point that the
bone has died (or if the infection is due to trauma that
has caused part of the bone to die), antibiotics won't
penetrate the area. Of course, in that case I feel
obligated to point out to you that if the bone has died in
that part of your jaw, then your precious intravenous
vitamin C won't get to the site of infection either! It
would then be the surgical debridement to remove the dead
tissue that would be required.

Maybe there's hope for you yet. Give up the vitamin C part
of your treatment, and it sounds all very conventional.

--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do
|you inconvenience me with questions?"

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Quoted message said:

Subject: Update to Dave's Story From: "Dave Wickware"
[email hidden] Date: 5/14/04 8:52 PM Eastern
Daylight Time Message-id:
<[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Finally, my intuitive doctor determined that these
infections were originating in my jaw, manifesting in my
sinuses and then draining into

my

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

lungs. A google search for "jawbone infection" yielded a
bunch of info

such

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

as... findarticles.comcf dlsOpen ↗

Does this relate at all to Dr. Rosenow's nobel prize work
on the "focii of disease"?, published circa 1914?

DrC PhD

I have no idea.

I have been giving you more credit than you deserve. My
condition which I gave you a link to so you wouldn't have to
guess, is for NICO Neuralgia Inducing Cavitational
Osteonecrosis. It appears you missed it. The treatment is in
fact a conventional scraping of the one to remove the
infection. The vitamin C treatment is an important part of
the treatment for assisting with healing, cleaning up toxic
materials and bacteria released into the bloodstream and
detoxifying local anesthetics and IV medications.

Doing one side at a time is like doing cataract surgery on
one eye at a time, it is considered responsible medical
procedure.

Unfortunately you don't appear to understand that
antibiotics get distributed to areas of our body via the
blood stream. A bone marrow infection is by definition an
area of dead material. It has no blood flow. You are quite
correct when you say physicians treat infections wth
antibiotics, unfortunately they continue to prescribe
antibiotics whether they have any effect on the patients
overall condition, or not. That is what had been happening
to me. No medical practitioner had any clue that I had a
jawbone infection. In fact its not accepted as something
that exists by the medical profession. My pictures of one
are considered to not exist, I guess.

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In article
<[email hidden]>, "Dave

Wickware said:

As it turns out I have a bone infection in the wisdom
tooth sockets on

both

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

left and right lower. I will begin treatment for both
of these in two weeks time. I will receive three
weekly sessions of intravenous vitamin C, followed by
the scraping of the bone to completely remove the
infected area.

LOL! If the sockets are truly infected (which would be
osteomyelitis, an infection of the bone), then debridment
(scraping) will do far more to cure the problem than
vitamin C, which won't do anything. In this case, if you
truly have such an infection, it is the old fashioned
conventional surgical treatment that will take care of it.

BTW, "cavitation" is a bit of a questionable catch-all
concept for problems causing neuralgia, but for the moment
I'll operate under the assumption that you might actually
have osteomyelitis of the jaw.

Quoted message said:

This is followed by three more weekly sessions of
intravenous vitamin C injections. The process will then
be repeated for the other side.

Why only one side at a time? Why debride just one site of
infection and leave another accessible site untouched? It
makes no sense.

Quoted message said:

Bone marrow infections can not be touched by antibiotics
because the

bone is

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

dead and no longer has any blood flow in it.

[censored]. Osteomyelitis is cured with antibiotics all the
time by orthopedic surgeons. However, you are correct that
once the infection has progressed to the point that the
bone has died (or if the infection is due to trauma that
has caused part of the bone to die), antibiotics won't
penetrate the area. Of course, in that case I feel
obligated to point out to you that if the bone has died in
that part of your jaw, then your precious intravenous
vitamin C won't get to the site of infection either! It
would then be the surgical debridement to remove the dead
tissue that would be required.

Maybe there's hope for you yet. Give up the vitamin C part
of your treatment, and it sounds all very conventional.

--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do
|you inconvenience me with questions?"

In article <[email hidden]>,

Dave Wickware said:

I have been giving you more credit than you deserve. My
condition which I gave you a link to so you wouldn't have
to guess, is for NICO Neuralgia Inducing Cavitational
Osteonecrosis. It appears you missed it.

I didn't. NICO is a fad diagnosis of questionable validity.

Try this URL:

quackwatch.orgcavitatioOpen ↗
n.html aetna.comCPBA0642.htmlOpen ↗

Quoted message said:

The treatment is in fact a conventional scraping of the one
to remove the infection. The vitamin C treatment is an
important part of the treatment for assisting with healing,
cleaning up toxic materials and bacteria released into the
bloodstream and detoxifying local anesthetics and IV
medications.

LOL! Vitamin C, for all its other benefits, will do nothing
of the sort. It does not "clean up toxic materials" or
bacteria, and local anesthetics don't need detoxification,
as they will be metabolized within a few hours at most.

Quoted message said:

Doing one side at a time is like doing cataract surgery on
one eye at a time, it is considered responsible medical
procedure.

Why would that be? I'm betting it's so your practitioner can
bill you for two procedures instead of one, as there is no
convincing reason I can think of that both couldn't be done
at one time.

Quoted message said:

Unfortunately you don't appear to understand that
antibiotics get distributed to areas of our body via the
blood stream.

Give me a break What exactly did I just say? I said that
antibiotics can't reach an area that has died, did I not?
And why is that? Because dead tissue has no blood flow!
That's why dead tissue needs to be debrided. Antibiotics can
then get in to clean up the rest. However, debridement is
the most important, more important than the antibiotics,
when necrotic material is around.

Quoted message said:

A bone marrow infection is by definition an area of dead
material. It has no blood flow.

No it isn't. A bone marrow infection is an infection. The
tissue there may or may not be dead yet.

Quoted message said:

You are quite correct when you say physicians treat
infections wth antibiotics, unfortunately they continue to
prescribe antibiotics whether they have any effect on the
patients overall condition, or not.

Of course, in that case one must look for the reason they
are not working. Reasons could include (1) bacterial
resistance; (2) necrotic tissue that needs to be debrided;
or (3) the cause of your problems was not an infection.
Given your kookiness, I'm beginning to suspect #3.

Quoted message said:

That is what had been happening to me. No medical
practitioner had any clue that I had a jawbone infection.
In fact its not accepted as something that exists by the
medical profession. My pictures of one are considered to
not exist, I guess.

Oh, please, don't be a putz. Infections of the mandible
(jawbone) are certainly recognized by the medical
profession. They usually result from untreated dental caries
that lead to abscess formation and, if really neglected,
osteomyelitis.

[Snip]

--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do
|you inconvenience me with questions?"

"Dave Wickware" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I have been giving you more credit than you deserve. My
condition which I gave you a link to so you wouldn't have
to guess, is for NICO Neuralgia Inducing Cavitational
Osteonecrosis. It appears you missed it. The treatment is
in fact a conventional scraping of the one to remove the
infection. The vitamin C treatment is an important part of
the treatment for assisting

with

Quoted message said:

healing, cleaning up toxic materials and bacteria released
into the bloodstream and detoxifying local anesthetics and
IV medications.

I will go further than Orac and suggest that you are having
unnecessary treatment by a definite quack for an extremely
dubious diagnosis and that it will not help your recurrent
infections (I am assuming recurrent bronchitis) at all. Keep
us posted.

Orac can address all the nonsense in this reply if he feels
so inclined.

Peter Moran

"Peter Moran" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

"Dave Wickware" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I have been giving you more credit than you deserve. My
condition which

I

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

gave you a link to so you wouldn't have to guess, is for
NICO Neuralgia Inducing

Cavitational

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Osteonecrosis. It appears you missed it. The treatment
is in fact a conventional scraping of the

one

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

to remove the infection. The vitamin C treatment is an
important part of the treatment for assisting

with

Quoted message said:

healing, cleaning up toxic materials and bacteria
released into the bloodstream and detoxifying local
anesthetics and IV medications.

I will go further than Orac and suggest that you are
having unnecessary treatment by a definite quack for an
extremely dubious diagnosis and that it will not help your
recurrent infections (I am assuming recurrent bronchitis)
at all. Keep us posted.

Orac can address all the nonsense in this reply if he
feels so inclined.

While I DO understand where you are coming from, I know that
neither you nor Orac have any knowledge or understanding in
this area. In fact, the Cavitat Scan is more technologically
advanced than any type of imaging equipment, and, like all
3d imaging equipment shows clear pictures of this condition.
So while I am sure your motivation is well intentioned
please keep it to those things you know about.

Since you mention Orac, do you believe that doing cataract
on both eyes at the same time is acceptable procedure?

I will be completing two very simple dental procedures that
is done by a holoistic dental surgeon and that will permit
the final scientific documentation of my complete cure of
emphsema and congestive heart failure.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Dave Wickware said:

"Peter Moran" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:40a68abf$0$20554$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-
02.brisbane.pipenetworks.com .au...

Quoted message said:

"Dave Wickware" <[email hidden]> wrote in
message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I have been giving you more credit than you deserve.
My condition which

I

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

gave you a link to so you wouldn't have to guess, is
for NICO Neuralgia Inducing

Cavitational

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Osteonecrosis. It appears you missed it. The treatment
is in fact a conventional scraping of the

one

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

to remove the infection. The vitamin C treatment is an
important part of the treatment for assisting

with

Quoted message said:

healing, cleaning up toxic materials and bacteria
released into the bloodstream and detoxifying local
anesthetics and IV medications.

I will go further than Orac and suggest that you are
having unnecessary treatment by a definite quack for an
extremely dubious diagnosis and that it will not help
your recurrent infections (I am assuming recurrent
bronchitis) at all. Keep us posted.

Orac can address all the nonsense in this reply if he
feels so inclined.

While I DO understand where you are coming from, I know
that neither you nor Orac have any knowledge or
understanding in this area. In fact, the Cavitat Scan is
more technologically advanced than any type of imaging
equipment, and, like all 3d imaging equipment shows clear
pictures of this condition. So while I am sure your
motivation is well intentioned please keep it to those
things you know about.

Really? Perhaps you could point us to the clinical trials
that show its utility and show it to be superior to X-rays,
CT scans, and MRIs.

Quoted message said:

Since you mention Orac, do you believe that doing cataract
on both eyes at the same time is acceptable procedure?

Red herring. The two situations are not analogous. The
reason only one eye is usually done at a time for cataracts
is because of the small risk of potentially blinding
postoperative infection: endophthaimitis. Obviously that
would be devastating if it happened in both eyes, which is
why both are usually not done at the same time. Another
reason is that it aids in the choice of the intraocular lens
based on the response of the first side.

There is no such concern for operating on different sides
of the jaw.

Quoted message said:

I will be completing two very simple dental procedures
that is done by a holoistic dental surgeon and that will
permit the final scientific documentation of my complete
cure of emphsema and congestive heart failure.

You'll be lining the pockets of the dentist for no good end.

--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do
|you inconvenience me with questions?"

In article <[email hidden]>,

Vitamins are Chemicals said:

Quoted message said:

"DRCEEPHD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:20040514220628.13561.00000546@mb-
m27.aol.com...

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>Subject: Update to Dave's Story From: "Dave Wickware"
>[email hidden] Date: 5/14/04 8:52 PM Eastern
>Daylight Time Message-id:
><[email hidden]>

>Finally, my intuitive doctor determined that these
>infections were originating in my jaw, manifesting in
>my sinuses and then draining into

my

Quoted message said:

>lungs. A google search for "jawbone infection" yielded
>a bunch of info

such

Quoted message said:

>as... findarticles.comcf dlsOpen ↗

Does this relate at all to Dr. Rosenow's nobel prize
work on the "focii of disease"?, published circa 1914?

DrC PhD

I have no idea.

Considering that Dr Rosenow never won a Nobel prize, the
answer is obviously "No". This fact has been pointed out to
Charles numerous times and yet he persists in lying about
it. He also lies about Pasteur's so-called death-bed
confession and the lifespan of Mr Walker, the juicer maker.
That speaks volumes about his beliefs, methods, dogma, and
credibility.

Based on a couple of comments Chuck has dropped in the past,
I suspect his basic problem is religious mania. This both in
terms of some sort of biblical fundamentalism, and in the
quasi-religious fervor with which he clings to his "sacred
texts," e.g. the writings of Bechamp.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were
standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

In article <[email hidden]>,

(Jan) said:

Nuff said from Orac, nice for a doctor to think someone's
pain is funny.

Nope. I think GlowLife Dave's claim that vitamin C will take
care of his "infection" is laughable.

--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do
|you inconvenience me with questions?"

In article <[email hidden]>,

Vitamins are Chemicals said:

Quoted message said:

"DRCEEPHD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:20040514220628.13561.00000546@mb-
m27.aol.com...

Quoted message said:

>Subject: Update to Dave's Story From: "Dave Wickware"
>[email hidden] Date: 5/14/04 8:52 PM Eastern
>Daylight Time Message-id:
><[email hidden]>

>Finally, my intuitive doctor determined that these
>infections were originating in my jaw, manifesting in
>my sinuses and then draining into

my

Quoted message said:

>lungs. A google search for "jawbone infection" yielded
>a bunch of info

such

Quoted message said:

>as... findarticles.comcf dlsOpen ↗

Does this relate at all to Dr. Rosenow's nobel prize
work on the "focii of disease"?, published circa 1914?

DrC PhD

I have no idea.

Considering that Dr Rosenow never won a Nobel prize, the
answer is obviously "No". This fact has been pointed out to
Charles numerous times and yet he persists in lying about
it. He also lies about Pasteur's so-called death-bed
confession and the lifespan of Mr Walker, the juicer maker.
That speaks volumes about his beliefs, methods, dogma, and
credibility.

Based on a couple of comments Chuck has dropped in the past,
I suspect his basic problem is religious mania. This both in
terms of some sort of biblical fundamentalism, and in the
quasi-religious fervor with which he clings to his "sacred
texts," e.g. the writings of Bechamp.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were
standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

In article <[email hidden]>,

(Jan) said:

Nuff said from Orac, nice for a doctor to think someone's
pain is funny.

Nope. I think GlowLife Dave's claim that vitamin C will take
care of his "infection" is laughable.

--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do
|you inconvenience me with questions?"

In article <[email hidden]>,

(Jan) said:

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Update to Dave's Story From:
[email hidden] (David Wright) Date: 5/15/2004
10:58 AM Pacific Standard Time Message-id:
<[email hidden]>

In article <20040515093124.21890.00001038@mb-
m23.aol.com>, Vitamins are Chemicals

Quoted message said:

>
>"DRCEEPHD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:20040514220628.13561.00000546@mb-
>m27.aol.com...
>> >Subject: Update to Dave's Story From: "Dave
>> >Wickware" [email hidden] Date: 5/14/04 8:52
>> >PM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id:
>> ><[email hidden]>
>>
>> >Finally, my intuitive doctor determined that these
>> >infections were originating in my jaw, manifesting
>> >in my sinuses and then draining into
>my
>> >lungs. A google search for "jawbone infection"
>> >yielded a bunch of info
>such
>> >as... findarticles.comcf dlsOpen ↗
>>
>> Does this relate at all to Dr. Rosenow's nobel prize
>> work on the "focii

of

Quoted message said:

>> disease"?, published circa 1914?
>>
>> DrC PhD
>
>I have no idea.

Considering that Dr Rosenow never won a Nobel prize, the
answer is obviously "No". This fact has been pointed out
to Charles numerous times and yet he persists in lying
about it. He also lies about Pasteur's so-called

death-bed

Quoted message said:

confession and the lifespan of Mr Walker, the juicer
maker. That speaks volumes about his beliefs, methods,
dogma, and credibility.

Andrew Kingoff speaking of persisting in lying, and
credibility.

Of course, David lets that slide.

When it has been proven Andrew is a total liar and has no
credibility.

Really? Which of the above statements was a lie?

--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do
|you inconvenience me with questions?"

In article <[email hidden]>,

(Jan) said:

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Update to Dave's Story From:
[email hidden] (David Wright) Date: 5/15/2004
10:58 AM Pacific Standard Time Message-id:
<[email hidden]>

In article <20040515093124.21890.00001038@mb-
m23.aol.com>, Vitamins are Chemicals

Quoted message said:

>
>"DRCEEPHD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:20040514220628.13561.00000546@mb-
>m27.aol.com...
>> >Subject: Update to Dave's Story From: "Dave
>> >Wickware" [email hidden] Date: 5/14/04 8:52
>> >PM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id:
>> ><[email hidden]>
>>
>> >Finally, my intuitive doctor determined that these
>> >infections were originating in my jaw, manifesting
>> >in my sinuses and then draining into
>my
>> >lungs. A google search for "jawbone infection"
>> >yielded a bunch of info
>such
>> >as... findarticles.comcf dlsOpen ↗
>>
>> Does this relate at all to Dr. Rosenow's nobel prize
>> work on the "focii

of

Quoted message said:

>> disease"?, published circa 1914?
>>
>> DrC PhD
>
>I have no idea.

Considering that Dr Rosenow never won a Nobel prize, the
answer is obviously "No". This fact has been pointed out
to Charles numerous times and yet he persists in lying
about it. He also lies about Pasteur's so-called

death-bed

Quoted message said:

confession and the lifespan of Mr Walker, the juicer
maker. That speaks volumes about his beliefs, methods,
dogma, and credibility.

Andrew Kingoff speaking of persisting in lying, and
credibility.

Of course, David lets that slide.

When it has been proven Andrew is a total liar and has no
credibility.

Really? Which of the above statements was a lie?

--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do
|you inconvenience me with questions?"