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On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 16:36:02 +1000, Tamyka Bell <[email hidden]>

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Carl Brewer said:

On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 13:51:07 +1000, Tamyka Bell <[email hidden]>

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Don't the zips make it easier to get into, because you can open it up
more?

With a steamer, yes, they make it *possible* to get into![*] But not
really necessary with a longjohn, except maybe the ankles.

Are steamers the full arm full leg ones and long johns just long legs?
Because most people swim in the full arm full leg ones.

Longjohns are no arms, but a vest and long legs. a steamer is
full arms & legs.

People swim in full arm neoprene?! Even 2mm would have to be
pretty restrictive.

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I have found the tri wetsuits really hard to get into because of

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how they are designed, but easy to get out of quickly. The tri wetsuits
tear pretty easily if you yank them on because they're thin, so you have
to cinch them on slowly, and work it up your body.

They're unlined?

They are rubbery outside, and normal neoprene inside, and in general
glued on the outside layer, stitching inside. I think.

Ok, unlined. Most diving wetsuits these days have a terry lining of
sorts, which makes ingress and egress a lot easier than getting
stuck on sweaty skin with grippy rubber.

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following a program with little if any scope for adaptation to
anything except miscalculating your exertion and the weather?

In all seriousness, how do you cope with the boredom?

I don't find it boring. But then, I've never depended on other people's
actions to keep me entertained. I like spending time with my thoughts. I
think about how my heart and lungs and muscles are doing, how nice a day
it is, how lucky I am to be so damn fit when the spectators are
struggling to walk around, how all the people passing me in the bike leg
are gonna eat my dust once we hit the run, etc.,

So that gets you 30 minutes of entertainment. What song do you
sing to youself for the rest of the race? 🙂

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other people are boring
when it comes to sport. I think that's why I hate playing team sports.

That's what makes them a challenge - you have to not just
follow your own plan, you have to contend with other people's
plans too. It's a lot of fun playing against live opponents - they
do things you're not expecting, which provides
a more interesting challenge than simply "I'm going to go
faster this time". If that was all there was to sport, I think
I'd rather go fishing.

Not to suggest that it's easy to go faster,
there's a lot ot training and hard work involved. But ... your
brains are using valuable glucose, it seems a shame to carry
them around unless you're going to have to use them for more
than just blind motor-control at threshold.

Our discussion on this is an example - you're not writing an
essay on your own, this is interactive, and we're having to
not only put forward our ideas, but also contend with the
ideas put forward by our discussion-partners. It's a lot
more fun than writing an essay, I think. If you're bored by
this, you're not showing it, as you keep coming back for more 🙂

Have you ever asked yourself why it is that you compete in the
sport of your choice? Or why you play a sport at all? It's an
interesting question, and often one
that most of the people I've come across struggle to answer
in any sort of a satisfactory way (satisfactory to
them, that is)..

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The only thing that makes up for that boredom is the possibility of
violence.

heh.

Carl Brewer said:

So that gets you 30 minutes of entertainment. What song do you
sing to youself for the rest of the race? 🙂

Obviously it would be the super annoying one that was on the radio on
race morning that just wont leave your head! 😉

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Have you ever asked yourself why it is that you compete in the
sport of your choice? Or why you play a sport at all? It's an
interesting question, and often one
that most of the people I've come across struggle to answer
in any sort of a satisfactory way (satisfactory to
them, that is)..

You asked me this once. I still don't know. Can you answer for me?

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The only thing that makes up for that boredom is the possibility of
violence.

heh.

What he said, with another 'e'.

hippy

"Tamyka Bell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Carl Brewer said:

<SNIP>

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> Why not? It's no dumber than riding 180km in bathers and
> wet shoes.

<MORE SNIPPAGE>
I don't put on a good set of

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knicks for 40km or less, my race suit has a small inbuilt chamois that
is softer and chafes less than a standard set of knicks anyway (which I
find too bulky, but that's probably a girl thing). For ironman, just
about everyone puts on a good set of knicks. Some people do shorter
stuff in swimsuits. I do shortcourse in just bathers when I'm too lazy
to dig out a race suit. It's not a problem for 20km. I personally find
that all knicks are a bit wide and I end up with chafing from the edges
of the chamois, so I prefer tri shorts/race suit.

STOOPID QUESTION WARNING!

Saddles: Is there a difference between tri saddles and 'normal' ones? Are
Tri saddles designed to be comfier without knicks?
I'm setting up a bike to go touring in and some MTBing Europe in July (roll
on July!!), so if a tri saddle is comfier than others it might be worth
investigating. I've tried various saddles (should put them on eBay...) but
the comfy ones (like the Specialized Milano) are too wide at the back. I've
got a Flite Ti on at the moment (bargain price from Hippy... ta very much!)
but it's numb nuts for me after about 30km. If tri saddles are long and
narrow with more (but supportive) padding, it might be worth looking at...

Toodles,

Me (caffienated at stupid o'clock, ready for work)

Plodder said:

STOOPID QUESTION WARNING!

There are no stoopid questions, only stoopid.... oh never mind 😄

Plodder said:

Saddles: Is there a difference between tri saddles and 'normal' ones? Are
Tri saddles designed to be comfier without knicks?
I'm setting up a bike to go touring in and some MTBing Europe in July (roll
on July!!), so if a tri saddle is comfier than others it might be worth
investigating. I've tried various saddles (should put them on eBay...) but
the comfy ones (like the Specialized Milano) are too wide at the back. I've
got a Flite Ti on at the moment (bargain price from Hippy... ta very much!)
but it's numb nuts for me after about 30km. If tri saddles are long and
narrow with more (but supportive) padding, it might be worth looking at...

Toodles,

Me (caffienated at stupid o'clock, ready for work)

So youre in Europe in July. you ARE going to see it. right?

if youre gettin numb-nuts, sounds like youre seatangle/position/aspect-to-mecca is wrong!

F"caffienated but resistin the urge to work"Dutch

Plodder said:

Saddles: Is there a difference between tri saddles and 'normal' ones? Are
Tri saddles designed to be comfier without knicks?
I'm setting up a bike to go touring in and some MTBing Europe in July (roll
on July!!), so if a tri saddle is comfier than others it might be worth
investigating. I've tried various saddles (should put them on eBay...) but
the comfy ones (like the Specialized Milano) are too wide at the back. I've
got a Flite Ti on at the moment (bargain price from Hippy... ta very much!)
but it's numb nuts for me after about 30km. If tri saddles are long and
narrow with more (but supportive) padding, it might be worth looking at...

The tri-specific saddles I know of are the ones that have a 'super
padded' nose. The basis behind this is, with the steep seattube angle
and the associated TT'ing position, riders are sitting right up onto the
nose of the saddle. So, manufacturers stick extra padding on the saddle
nose.

Google for "Selle San Marco Azoto" which is the saddle I'm thinking of.

It sounds more like you need to adjust your riding position rather than
change saddles. You shouldn't be sitting on the saddle nose when touring
- you want your sit bones (the boney bits of your [censored]) on the wider
part of the saddle. Try raising bars, shifting saddle height, angle,
fore/aft position etc. Make one change at a time and test it thoroughly.

I googled for you:
http://www.bikesportmichigan.com/reviews/azoto.shtml

hth
hippy
"Not always off-topic" :P

Carl Brewer said:

On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 16:36:02 +1000, Tamyka Bell <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Carl Brewer said:

On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 13:51:07 +1000, Tamyka Bell <[email hidden]>
wrote:

>Don't the zips make it easier to get into, because you can open it up
>more?

With a steamer, yes, they make it *possible* to get into![*] But not
really necessary with a longjohn, except maybe the ankles.

Are steamers the full arm full leg ones and long johns just long legs?
Because most people swim in the full arm full leg ones.

Longjohns are no arms, but a vest and long legs. a steamer is
full arms & legs.

People swim in full arm neoprene?! Even 2mm would have to be
pretty restrictive.

It's pretty thin in the arms, all you feel is a bit of resistance
putting arms into the water. They're designed to be very hydrodynamic or
something. I've got a guy in Nowra looking for a company to do me a
cheap deal.

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I have found the tri wetsuits really hard to get into because of
>how they are designed, but easy to get out of quickly. The tri wetsuits
>tear pretty easily if you yank them on because they're thin, so you have
>to cinch them on slowly, and work it up your body.

They're unlined?

They are rubbery outside, and normal neoprene inside, and in general
glued on the outside layer, stitching inside. I think.

Ok, unlined. Most diving wetsuits these days have a terry lining of
sorts, which makes ingress and egress a lot easier than getting
stuck on sweaty skin with grippy rubber.

Oooh that doesn't sound very hydrodynamic... 😉

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Quoted message said:

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following a program with little if any scope for adaptation to
anything except miscalculating your exertion and the weather?

In all seriousness, how do you cope with the boredom?

I don't find it boring. But then, I've never depended on other people's
actions to keep me entertained. I like spending time with my thoughts. I
think about how my heart and lungs and muscles are doing, how nice a day
it is, how lucky I am to be so damn fit when the spectators are
struggling to walk around, how all the people passing me in the bike leg
are gonna eat my dust once we hit the run, etc.,

So that gets you 30 minutes of entertainment. What song do you
sing to youself for the rest of the race? 🙂

"And I would run 500 miles and I would run 500 more
just to be the girl who runs a thousand miles to train with sex god
George"

George was one of my boxing coaches. As a punishment, my mate had to
hold a pushup position for 5 minutes. I got punished too. I sang that
over and over and over...

.... it stuck. I forget the real words now.

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other people are boring
when it comes to sport. I think that's why I hate playing team sports.

That's what makes them a challenge - you have to not just
follow your own plan, you have to contend with other people's
plans too. It's a lot of fun playing against live opponents - they
do things you're not expecting, which provides
a more interesting challenge than simply "I'm going to go
faster this time". If that was all there was to sport, I think
I'd rather go fishing.

Well, I like laughing at other people... does that count. Also I do
maths when I'm racing.

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Not to suggest that it's easy to go faster,
there's a lot ot training and hard work involved. But ... your
brains are using valuable glucose, it seems a shame to carry
them around unless you're going to have to use them for more
than just blind motor-control at threshold.

Our discussion on this is an example - you're not writing an
essay on your own, this is interactive, and we're having to
not only put forward our ideas, but also contend with the
ideas put forward by our discussion-partners. It's a lot
more fun than writing an essay, I think. If you're bored by
this, you're not showing it, as you keep coming back for more 🙂

Yeah, but I chat to hippy too. I'm sociable!

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Have you ever asked yourself why it is that you compete in the
sport of your choice? Or why you play a sport at all? It's an
interesting question, and often one
that most of the people I've come across struggle to answer
in any sort of a satisfactory way (satisfactory to
them, that is)..

I do it because it's time for me, not for others, because I am a bit of
a loner, and because I like to interact with others by helping them to
achieve their goals rather than by beating them. Which is why I
encourage other people (especially on the run) and why this year I'm a
pace runner for Gold Coast half! (Yay!)

I guess the other thing is that I'm never really motivated to win stuff.
About a year ago I went through a change where I realised I wanted to
enjoy every training session, not just count it as a tick in the box
towards a goal. So now I enjoy every minute of my sport, not just my
racing (or performing, in the case of circus).

<snip the rest>

Tam

hippy said:

Plodder said:

Saddles: Is there a difference between tri saddles and 'normal' ones? Are
Tri saddles designed to be comfier without knicks?
I'm setting up a bike to go touring in and some MTBing Europe in July (roll
on July!!), so if a tri saddle is comfier than others it might be worth
investigating. I've tried various saddles (should put them on eBay...) but
the comfy ones (like the Specialized Milano) are too wide at the back. I've
got a Flite Ti on at the moment (bargain price from Hippy... ta very much!)
but it's numb nuts for me after about 30km. If tri saddles are long and
narrow with more (but supportive) padding, it might be worth looking at...

The tri-specific saddles I know of are the ones that have a 'super
padded' nose. The basis behind this is, with the steep seattube angle
and the associated TT'ing position, riders are sitting right up onto the
nose of the saddle. So, manufacturers stick extra padding on the saddle
nose.

Google for "Selle San Marco Azoto" which is the saddle I'm thinking of.

It sounds more like you need to adjust your riding position rather than
change saddles. You shouldn't be sitting on the saddle nose when touring
- you want your sit bones (the boney bits of your [censored]) on the wider
part of the saddle. Try raising bars, shifting saddle height, angle,
fore/aft position etc. Make one change at a time and test it thoroughly.

I googled for you:
http://www.bikesportmichigan.com/reviews/azoto.shtml

hth
hippy
"Not always off-topic" :P

Thanks hippy, I didn't know about tri-specific saddles.

Now here's a question: why do we wear cycle knicks with lots of padding
instead of using a seat with more padding?

Tam

Tamyka Bell said:

Now here's a question: why do we wear cycle knicks with lots of padding
instead of using a seat with more padding?

Several reasons I can think of.

1) When cycling, we want clothes without seams around our ... ah ...
tender bits. Most clothing we can buy at the shop does not fill
this bill. Knicks do.
2) Given (1), we generally wear knicks, and nothing underneath. It is
strongly desirable, if we want to avoid getting arrested, that the
knicks conceal the bits that are normally concealed in public.
3) Given (2), padding is extremely useful to aid in this concealment.
Especially if the knicks are rather old.
4) Given (3), there's not much point in adding padding to the seat, is
there? 🙂

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the mail bounces, try changing the bit before the "@ to usenet".

On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 at 22:56 GMT, flyingdutch (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

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Plodder said:

STOOPID QUESTION WARNING!

There are no stoopid questions, only stoopid.... oh never mind 😄

Yes there are:

http://crookedtimber.org/2003/09/18/there-are-no-stupid-questions

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But if I ever have a child, I will certainly be naming it "Sun
Microsystems". -- Hipatia

On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 at 01:34 GMT, Stuart Lamble (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

Quoted message said:

Tamyka Bell said:

Now here's a question: why do we wear cycle knicks with lots of padding
instead of using a seat with more padding?

Several reasons I can think of.

1) When cycling, we want clothes without seams around our ... ah ...
tender bits. Most clothing we can buy at the shop does not fill
this bill. Knicks do.
2) Given (1), we generally wear knicks, and nothing underneath. It is
strongly desirable, if we want to avoid getting arrested, that the
knicks conceal the bits that are normally concealed in public.
3) Given (2), padding is extremely useful to aid in this concealment.
Especially if the knicks are rather old.
4) Given (3), there's not much point in adding padding to the seat, is
there? 🙂

Oddly enough, it was described to me by a BS that you in particular
want a good supporting seat (not necessarily padded muchly), and then
you don't need so much padding in the knicks. I got from that
conversation a pair of knicks that were a little cheaper than most of
the other pairs, which I am fine with (although my seat is not really
great for me -- at least I don't get numb nuts anymore).

I rode lastnight to the comedy festival (happy gay robot hour was
greeeat. And I now have a crush on astroboy[1]), and this morning to
the hospital, in normal clothes. And gee, aren't they uncomfy?

[1] Not for teh FNARRing[2]
[2] Hold on, which froup am I on again?

--
TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/
White dwarf seeks red giant star for binary relationship

hippy said:

Plodder said:

Saddles: Is there a difference between tri saddles and 'normal' ones? Are
Tri saddles designed to be comfier without knicks?
I'm setting up a bike to go touring in and some MTBing Europe in July
(roll
on July!!), so if a tri saddle is comfier than others it might be worth
investigating. I've tried various saddles (should put them on eBay...)
but
the comfy ones (like the Specialized Milano) are too wide at the back.
I've
got a Flite Ti on at the moment (bargain price from Hippy... ta very
much!)
but it's numb nuts for me after about 30km. If tri saddles are long and
narrow with more (but supportive) padding, it might be worth looking
at...

The tri-specific saddles I know of are the ones that have a 'super
padded' nose. The basis behind this is, with the steep seattube angle
and the associated TT'ing position, riders are sitting right up onto the
nose of the saddle. So, manufacturers stick extra padding on the saddle
nose.

Google for "Selle San Marco Azoto" which is the saddle I'm thinking of.

It sounds more like you need to adjust your riding position rather than
change saddles. You shouldn't be sitting on the saddle nose when touring
- you want your sit bones (the boney bits of your [censored]) on the wider
part of the saddle. Try raising bars, shifting saddle height, angle,
fore/aft position etc. Make one change at a time and test it thoroughly.

I googled for you:
http://www.bikesportmichigan.com/reviews/azoto.shtml

hth
hippy
"Not always off-topic" :P

I've been doing some longish distances in the tri position.I recently
changed to an Azoto seat and I do find it slightly more comfortable than
the other seats I was using, inluding a Flite seat.
In addition to the seat change I also went back to my old nicks. I was
wearing some expensive multi piece chamois nicks but the stitching was
chafing me. The stitching coincided with the edge of the seat. So I
dragged out my older Netti nicks with the one piece chamois and it felt
much better. Earlier with my other seats I had tilted the nose down a
bit as recommended by some people and that made the crutch area feel
better but created problems further back (which was the stuff of
nightmares). Don't tilt the nose down, it's a no no. I also use a nappy
rash cream which is designed to stop rash,it also contains zinc which is
good to heal the skin. I think I've got it sorted now and look foward to
longer distances on the bike. I'm not sure if an Azoto seat would be
good for touring. I imagine the requirements of being in the aero
position are very different to that required for touring.

This morning I paid for my entry to the Busselton Half Ironman, somebody
shoot me!

Marty

Marty wrote:
<snip>

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This morning I paid for my entry to the Busselton Half Ironman, somebody
shoot me!

Marty

*shoots Marty a big thumbs up*

Yay!

Tam

"hippy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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The tri-specific saddles I know of are the ones that have a 'super
padded' nose. The basis behind this is, with the steep seattube angle
and the associated TT'ing position, riders are sitting right up onto the
nose of the saddle. So, manufacturers stick extra padding on the saddle
nose.

Google for "Selle San Marco Azoto" which is the saddle I'm thinking of.

It sounds more like you need to adjust your riding position rather than
change saddles. You shouldn't be sitting on the saddle nose when touring
- you want your sit bones (the boney bits of your [censored]) on the wider
part of the saddle. Try raising bars, shifting saddle height, angle,
fore/aft position etc. Make one change at a time and test it thoroughly.

I googled for you:
http://www.bikesportmichigan.com/reviews/azoto.shtml

hth
hippy
"Not always off-topic" :P

Ta for that. It gives me a place to start. My riding has been mainly MTBing,
so my old faithful Flite was comfy over various distances but, with MTBing,
more time is spent out of the saddle. I'll try fiddling with positions a bit
more as you suggest. I've set my touring bike up much as my hardtail MTB, so
that's prolly where the problem is. I do sit fairly high on the saddle, but
if I move it to get my bum on the wide bit it seems to tip my hips forward
too much and my back aches like buggery. Geez, 47 and already an old fart!
Might have to fiddle with other fit bits too.

Once I finished fiddling, if I can't get it right, I'll look more into tri
seats.

Toodles,

Me

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On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 at 01:34 GMT, Stuart Lamble (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

Quoted message said:

Tamyka Bell said:

Now here's a question: why do we wear cycle knicks with lots of padding
instead of using a seat with more padding?

Several reasons I can think of.

1) When cycling, we want clothes without seams around our ... ah ...
tender bits. Most clothing we can buy at the shop does not fill
this bill. Knicks do.
2) Given (1), we generally wear knicks, and nothing underneath. It is
strongly desirable, if we want to avoid getting arrested, that the
knicks conceal the bits that are normally concealed in public.
3) Given (2), padding is extremely useful to aid in this concealment.
Especially if the knicks are rather old.
4) Given (3), there's not much point in adding padding to the seat, is
there? 🙂

Oddly enough, it was described to me by a BS that you in particular
want a good supporting seat (not necessarily padded muchly), and then
you don't need so much padding in the knicks. I got from that
conversation a pair of knicks that were a little cheaper than most of
the other pairs, which I am fine with (although my seat is not really
great for me -- at least I don't get numb nuts anymore).

I rode lastnight to the comedy festival (happy gay robot hour was
greeeat. And I now have a crush on astroboy[1]), and this morning to
the hospital, in normal clothes. And gee, aren't they uncomfy?

[1] Not for teh FNARRing[2]
[2] Hold on, which froup am I on again?

--
TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/
White dwarf seeks red giant star for binary relationship

Point to consider, perhaps. With padding in the knicks, it's very
specifically placed relative to the aforementioned bits. A padded saddle
only owrks if you place your [censored] fairly carefully.

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So youre in Europe in July. you ARE going to see it. right?

Well, bits of it. Venice first (bike ueless there!) for a big festival, then
off to Florence to do the Tuscany thing, then off to Lake Konstanz to follow
the Rhine to Dusseldorf and the Ruhr to Essen where my family is. Then home.
I have 3 months off, so I don't need to rush.

Not sure how long it'll take, but that's the point of touring - no
timetable. I'll stop in at Heidelberg on the way but no plans for anything
else, just take it easy and look-see. No cooking utensils, just cafes, pubs,
occasional B&B etc. I'll be on my own, so dossing out and missing the
occasional meal won't trouble me overmuch. Won't be the first or the last
time.

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if youre gettin numb-nuts, sounds like youre
seatangle/position/aspect-to-mecca is wrong!

Sounds like it, eh? I'll start my series of fiddles today.

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F"caffienated but resistin the urge to work"Dutch

Always resist! Trouble is, if I put as much effort into work as I do into
resisting I'd be rich by now!

Me

Well, heeding advice from the wise ones here, I fiddled with things today. I
noted a couple of things:

(1) I brought the seat forward about 1cm to try and get my BFB (Big Fat Bum)
on the wider part of the seat. Numb nuts still. Ran out of rail before I ran
out of numbness. I have a straight block seatpost, so it's not a layback
problem. I did find that with my seat further forward my back ached very
quickly. Seat now mounted mid-rail which seems to be the best compromise.

(2) Changed the stem for a slightly higher one to bring the bars up a tad.
That seemed to work a bit better. Grips now about 1" lower than the seat.
I'll try setting them to the same height and see where that leads. I did
note that bumps travel more up my spine now with the more upright position.

(3) Installed a suspension seatpost I got from eBay a few days ago. Hmmm....
not bad. 40km later and all seems well. Much more comfortable but
something's still not right down below.

(4) Rode back to my girlfriend's place (now with bike bits scattered all
over her patio... I'll pay for that sometime!) and changed my shorts. AHA! I
changed from a pair of Mountain Designs RCs into my old faithful Shimano
XTRs (wish I could still get them! Anyone know a seller?). Much better. No
numbs nuts, less road shock, better "feel'.

I reckon it's got something to do with the chamois used. The RCs have a
similar chamois to my Fox shorts and my knicks. My Shimanos and an unbranded
pair (also good, but I don't know what to ask for!) have minimal padding. I
wonder if the chamois (what's the plural? Chamoises?) are designed more for
road bikes than MTBs Quite a different position taken on an MTB. The chamois
comes (for me) too far up at the front and I seem to sit on the back edge of
the chamois when in the saddle. The position would make sense if I was on a
roady, leaning forward more. On an MTB, however, it's not quite right.

Reflecting, I've always had more problems when wearing the RCs or the Fox
shorts. I haven't worn the knicks enough to compare (I look like a hairy egg
in an egg cup - vanity, thy name is Frank!).

So, a tip emerged from today's fiddling: When buying shorts for MTBing don't
get suckered into thinking a high-tech, whiz-bang chamois is critical. The
proper placement of a minimal chamois seems to work better for the MTB
position. Has anyone had a similar experience? Or is that why so many people
on MTBs like shorts like those from NZone and Ground Effect?

Just musing now...

Frank

check the angle of your seat too.
put a spirit level on it (fore-aft).
perfectly level seems to be the starting point but perhaps a deg or 2 nose down might change things?

the search continues...

F"Im alright jack"Dutch

flyingdutch said:

check the angle of your seat too.
put a spirit level on it (fore-aft).
perfectly level seems to be the starting point but perhaps a deg or 2
nose down might change things?

Or a degree or so up, so that you slide to the back of the saddle,
reducing pressure on "precious". 🙂

hippy

On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 09:19:49 +1000, hippy <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

flyingdutch said:

check the angle of your seat too.
put a spirit level on it (fore-aft).
perfectly level seems to be the starting point but perhaps a deg or 2
nose down might change things?

Or a degree or so up, so that you slide to the back of the saddle,
reducing pressure on "precious". 🙂

That'll make it worse, not better!

Think about how your pelvis is rotated forward when you're in
a TT position, and how you want the seat to fit.

Carl Brewer said:

On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 09:19:49 +1000, hippy <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

flyingdutch said:

check the angle of your seat too.
put a spirit level on it (fore-aft).
perfectly level seems to be the starting point but perhaps a deg or 2
nose down might change things?

Or a degree or so up, so that you slide to the back of the saddle,
reducing pressure on "precious". 🙂

That'll make it worse, not better!

Think about how your pelvis is rotated forward when you're in
a TT position, and how you want the seat to fit.

He's touring. He shouldn't be in a TT position.

Anyway, just try stuff. I have found the 'slight' tilt up works for me
on occasion. A tilt down makes me slide forward onto the skinny nose of
the saddle, putting more pressure on undercarriage and arms.

hippy