Unlimited calories?

(ClaraFaust) said:

Can a person eat unlimited calories, and still lose weight, as long as
they severely restrict carbohydrates?

If you eat enough dietary fat, you will gain weight, no matter what.
Fat is quite capable of storing itself even without insulin.

Low carb works because you don't *want* to eat that much.

Also, there's some evidence that *severe* carb restrictions decrease
metabolism, so you actually lose more (in the long run) with a
*moderate* carb restriction. It's not intuitive.

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Quoted message said:

Can a person eat unlimited calories, and still lose weight, as long as
they severely restrict carbohydrates?

No.

However, most people don't need to count calories.

Also, most people can eat as much (from good sources) food as they want
until they are satisfied (but not stuffed) as often as they are hungry, and
still lose weight. You shouldn't have to feel like you're restricting how
much you're eating. If you're still hungry - eat more.

I've never counted calories, and I don't wish to start. I'm not even
counting carbs at this point - just completely avoiding starches and
sugars and emphasizing meats, cheeses, nuts, fresh veggies and berries.
And the weight is coming off at a rather astounding pace, I must say.

258/237/220(?)

Started LC 4/27/05

Sprgtime said:

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Quoted message said:

Can a person eat unlimited calories, and still lose weight, as long as
they severely restrict carbohydrates?

No.

However, most people don't need to count calories.

Also, most people can eat as much (from good sources) food as they want
until they are satisfied (but not stuffed) as often as they are hungry, and
still lose weight. You shouldn't have to feel like you're restricting how
much you're eating. If you're still hungry - eat more.

You'll never get down to a decent bodyfat level without counting calories.

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I've never counted calories, and I don't wish to start. I'm not even
counting carbs at this point - just completely avoiding starches and
sugars and emphasizing meats, cheeses, nuts, fresh veggies and berries.
And the weight is coming off at a rather astounding pace, I must say.

258/237/220(?)

Started LC 4/27/05

Sprgtime said:

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Quoted message said:

Can a person eat unlimited calories, and still lose weight, as long as
they severely restrict carbohydrates?

No.

However, most people don't need to count calories.

Also, most people can eat as much (from good sources) food as they want
until they are satisfied (but not stuffed) as often as they are hungry,
and
still lose weight. You shouldn't have to feel like you're restricting
how
much you're eating. If you're still hungry - eat more.

Counting calories is so... gay. I just can't get over it.

JC Der Koenig said:

You'll never get down to a decent bodyfat level without counting calories.

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I've never counted calories, and I don't wish to start. I'm not even
counting carbs at this point - just completely avoiding starches and
sugars and emphasizing meats, cheeses, nuts, fresh veggies and berries.
And the weight is coming off at a rather astounding pace, I must say.

258/237/220(?)

Started LC 4/27/05

Sprgtime said:

"ClaraFaust" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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> Can a person eat unlimited calories, and still lose weight, as long as
> they severely restrict carbohydrates?

No.

However, most people don't need to count calories.

Also, most people can eat as much (from good sources) food as they want
until they are satisfied (but not stuffed) as often as they are hungry,
and
still lose weight. You shouldn't have to feel like you're restricting
how
much you're eating. If you're still hungry - eat more.

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Counting calories is so... gay. I just can't get over it.

Yeah, well, get used to it.

Especially when you're much closer to goal.

Susan

Being all soft with high bodyfat is so...gay.

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Counting calories is so... gay. I just can't get over it.

JC Der Koenig said:

You'll never get down to a decent bodyfat level without counting
calories.

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Quoted message said:

I've never counted calories, and I don't wish to start. I'm not even
counting carbs at this point - just completely avoiding starches and
sugars and emphasizing meats, cheeses, nuts, fresh veggies and berries.
And the weight is coming off at a rather astounding pace, I must say.

258/237/220(?)

Started LC 4/27/05

Sprgtime wrote:
> "ClaraFaust" <[email hidden]> wrote in
> message
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> > Can a person eat unlimited calories, and still lose weight, as long
> > as
> > they severely restrict carbohydrates?
>
> No.
>
> However, most people don't need to count calories.
>
> Also, most people can eat as much (from good sources) food as they
> want
> until they are satisfied (but not stuffed) as often as they are
> hungry,
> and
> still lose weight. You shouldn't have to feel like you're restricting
> how
> much you're eating. If you're still hungry - eat more.

Susan said:

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Quoted message said:

Counting calories is so... gay. I just can't get over it.

Yeah, well, get used to it.

Especially when you're much closer to goal.

Susan

Well, that's the point I guess. If this weight loss slows down a bit
prior to my hitting goal, I probably will change my tune. But again, I
haven't counted calories and the weight is pretty much still zooming
off (although my first 2 weeks of Induction was definitely the
fastest).

I suspect I've cut my calories a bit since my pre-Atkins days anyways.

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Quoted message said:

Well, that's the point I guess. If this weight loss slows down a bit
prior to my hitting goal, I probably will change my tune. But again, I
haven't counted calories and the weight is pretty much still zooming
off (although my first 2 weeks of Induction was definitely the
fastest).

When you have a lot of weight to lose, low carb controls appetite
sufficiently for most folks that they don't maintain that weight. Some
of us low carb for other health reasons, not weight loss; I have to keep
calories around 800 to 100 to maintain, and well below that to lose. I
gained weight years ago (I was at optimal weight at the time) on
induction levels, which I used to successfully reverse my hypoglycemia.
I was in measurable ketonuria the whole time (why ketone sticks are
useless for monitoring weight loss effects of diet).

Quoted message said:

I suspect I've cut my calories a bit since my pre-Atkins days anyways.

Probably, along with your bg and insulin levels. Those last 10lbs are
where serious calorie cutting gets very important for most folks. Those
first 10 lbs on induction are just about all water.

Susan

ClaraFaust said:

Can a person eat unlimited calories, and still lose weight, as long as
they severely restrict carbohydrates?

No. Read the book. Any well established plan. They
all ban overeating.

The advantage of low carb is less hunger for most. For
some that means they can reduce calories without
discomfort. For some it means they spontaneously
reduce calories without trying to. For a few who were
already very close to equalibrium calories they don't
need to reduce calories until they have a lot less to
lose.

As you can see, there are many different opinions on this subject. The
entire purpose of restricting carbs is to get your insulin under
control and to reorder your bodily hormone reactions. This in and of
itself will prevent you from overeating, as it is the spikes in insulin
which are a primary cause of disordered appetite in the first place!
These questions in my experience will resolve themselves after the
first few weeks/months of eating this way -- in other words you will
find your own way to this answer. It is really hard to "overeat" on
low-carb, unless you gorge on nuts or something. I have been eating
this way since February (not for weight loss) and my weight is
incredibly stable, and I do not count anything anymore -- not even
carbs. It becomes instinctive after awhile what to eat, and how much.
Of course, if your version of low carb consists of pork rinds and
low-carb snacks, it will be harder, because you're still not feeding
your body healthy food....

Anyway, just read the books and follow the instructions -- the rest
will come. It's not about how much weight you lost in x amount of days
and months...it's about taking control of your health, and this comes
with a LIFETIME of following the proper diet. As witnessed here with
the large amount of people on this board who were/are weight-obsessed,
and after losing weight, went right back to the bad, compulsive eating
habits that got them fat in the first place. Which is pretty
incredible to me, because low-carb makes you feel so much better...just
goes to prove, MIND OVER MATTER. Decide to be healthy first, and you
will be. Being healthy feels WAY better than eating oreos does!

For the curious, my eating habits consist of:
meat - 2-3x per day of beef, chicken, pork, or sea food
yogurt - 1 or 2 bowls per day with flax seed
(yogurt only contains 4g/carb per serving, not the 15 listed on the
box, by the way - the bacteria eat the rest)
vegetables - 1-2 cooked servings, 1 raw serving (by serving, I mean 2-3
"servings" each - I eat HUGE amounts of vegetables )
fruit - very little (1 "serving" per day)
nuts - lots (love nuts!)
fish oil - every day

low-carb snacks, lo-carb ice cream, etc - 1 serving per day MAX!

exercise - 5-6 days per week!

I am 5'10", 160 lbs, and about 9% bodyfat. And I don't count calories!
If anything, I have to try hard to keep the weight on!

happy eating! ~ G

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Being all soft with high bodyfat is so...gay.

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LMAO!

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garhi said:

The
entire purpose of restricting carbs is to get your insulin under
control and to reorder your bodily hormone reactions.

That's one of the reasons, arguably the most important.

Quoted message said:

This in and of
itself will prevent you from overeating, as it is the spikes in insulin
which are a primary cause of disordered appetite in the first place!

Other than addiction effects and psychologically driven
overeating. Take an extreme case like an abuse victim
who subconsciously overeats to have a protective layer
of fat, low carbing won't help such an issue. Usually
removing the physical driver will remove some of the
psychlogical rivers but all depends on other issues.

Quoted message said:

These questions in my experience will resolve themselves after the
first few weeks/months of eating this way -- in other words you will
find your own way to this answer. It is really hard to "overeat" on
low-carb, unless you gorge on nuts or something. I have been eating
this way since February (not for weight loss) and my weight is
incredibly stable, and I do not count anything anymore -- not even
carbs. It becomes instinctive after awhile what to eat, and how much.

Until you cheat and trigger cravings. Then it is time to get
back on the wagon.

Quoted message said:

Anyway, just read the books and follow the instructions -- the rest
will come.

Important point - Most of the plans out there include
stuff that you won't agre with or you don't believe.
Tough. The authors worked hard at beating the obvious.
Step out in faith of their work and do those parts as
well.

Quoted message said:

It's not about how much weight you lost in x amount of days
and months...it's about taking control of your health, and this comes
with a LIFETIME of following the proper diet. As witnessed here with
the large amount of people on this board who were/are weight-obsessed,
and after losing weight, went right back to the bad, compulsive eating
habits that got them fat in the first place.

Yup. Stay on forever.

Doug Freyburger said:

garhi wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The
entire purpose of restricting carbs is to get your insulin under
control and to reorder your bodily hormone reactions.

That's one of the reasons, arguably the most important.

Quoted message said:

This in and of
itself will prevent you from overeating, as it is the spikes in insulin
which are a primary cause of disordered appetite in the first place!

Other than addiction effects and psychologically driven
overeating. Take an extreme case like an abuse victim
who subconsciously overeats to have a protective layer
of fat, low carbing won't help such an issue. Usually
removing the physical driver will remove some of the
psychlogical rivers but all depends on other issues.

Well, I don't like to mention it, but there are also those of us who just
like to eat. Low carbing can lessen the physical conditions that drive one
to overeat, but many of us find that we still have to control our impulses
to overindulge. So, that's a third driver for excessive consumption.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

These questions in my experience will resolve themselves after the
first few weeks/months of eating this way -- in other words you will
find your own way to this answer. It is really hard to "overeat" on
low-carb, unless you gorge on nuts or something. I have been eating
this way since February (not for weight loss) and my weight is
incredibly stable, and I do not count anything anymore -- not even
carbs. It becomes instinctive after awhile what to eat, and how much.

Wow, since February! You may find that when you've got *years* of low
carbing under your belt that you see some things differently. I also found
it difficult to overeat in my first years, but now as my BF% gets lower,
my exercise gets more demanding and I've simply been doing this for
longer, now I find that I really do have to watch out to make sure I'm not
overeating. On the other hand, if you didn't have weight issues to start
with, then I wouldn't expect you to have problems w/ your weight while
lowcarbing.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

It's not about how much weight you lost in x amount of days
and months...it's about taking control of your health, and this comes
with a LIFETIME of following the proper diet. As witnessed here with
the large amount of people on this board who were/are weight-obsessed,
and after losing weight, went right back to the bad, compulsive eating
habits that got them fat in the first place.

Well, except that this is not a board, it's a newsgroup, yes, you have to
stick to the plan or your results won't be longterm.

Martha

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Martha Gallagher said:

Well, I don't like to mention it, but there are also those of us who just
like to eat. Low carbing can lessen the physical conditions that drive one
to overeat, but many of us find that we still have to control our impulses
to overindulge. So, that's a third driver for excessive consumption.

DING DING DING...some of us have no "stop, I'm full" trigger. It will be
a battle each and every day.

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