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Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

Remember the story about Sky Yaeger, that put some carbon looking
sticky tape onto some Bianchis, at Interbike, then claiming it improved
the ride? All in jest, a respose to some of the carbon foolishness...

yesterday worked on a titanium bike with carbon tape on the three main
tubes and chainstays...and the maker claims to the buyer that it
improved ride quality...real carbon looking sticky tape.....sold
direct, no bike shop involved....yikes....

See? With enough of these handy inventions you can get the 20k$ bike.

Kidding aside, you explained to the owner that he disgraced a fine
titanium bike?

Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

Remember the story about Sky Yaeger, that put some carbon looking
sticky tape onto some Bianchis, at Interbike, then claiming it improved
the ride? All in jest, a respose to some of the carbon foolishness...

yesterday worked on a titanium bike with carbon tape on the three main
tubes and chainstays...and the maker claims to the buyer that it
improved ride quality...real carbon looking sticky tape.....sold
direct, no bike shop involved....yikes....

So now how exactly WOULD a tape stuck to a frame improve ride quality?

Ken
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Taping around unsightly welds improves the flow the air. It's also a
safety feature. When your frame unexpectedly cracks, wouldn't you wish
you had it completely wrapped in tape?

"tiborg" wrote: Taping around unsightly welds improves the flow the air.
(clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
That might increase the speed, but would not affect ride quality. However,
the internal friction of the tape and adhesive would improve damping. Carl,
are you up for another series of experiments?

I used to keep some duct tape wrapped around my frame for emergencies, but I
found that it had a negative effect on my social life. The up-side is that
the bike was not stolen, presumably 'cause it looked slightly nerdy.

tiborg said:

Taping around unsightly welds improves the flow the air. It's also a
safety feature. When your frame unexpectedly cracks, wouldn't you wish
you had it completely wrapped in tape?

I'll give you the air flow, although a minimal effect. But if you hadn't
had your joints taped you might have seen the beginings of that
"unexpected crack" and done something about it before it failed on the
road somewhere out in the middle of no-where

Ken
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New cycling jersey: $49
new cycling shorts: $39
Not being a slave to the petrol pump: priceless.

Ken C. M. said:

Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

Remember the story about Sky Yaeger, that put some carbon looking
sticky tape onto some Bianchis, at Interbike, then claiming it improved
the ride? All in jest, a respose to some of the carbon foolishness...

yesterday worked on a titanium bike with carbon tape on the three main
tubes and chainstays...and the maker claims to the buyer that it
improved ride quality...real carbon looking sticky tape.....sold
direct, no bike shop involved....yikes....

So now how exactly WOULD a tape stuck to a frame improve ride quality?

I suppose it's a question of how much tape.

Joseph

Leo Lichtman said:

"tiborg" wrote: Taping around unsightly welds improves the flow the air.
(clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
That might increase the speed, but would not affect ride quality. However,
the internal friction of the tape and adhesive would improve damping. Carl,
are you up for another series of experiments?

Dear Leo,

Please ship me a suitable set of titanium, carbon, aluminum, and steel
frames for extensive testing, preferably with identical wheels, tires,
seats, handlebars, and drive train.

I'll supply the tape.

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

Remember the story about Sky Yaeger, that put some carbon looking
sticky tape onto some Bianchis, at Interbike, then claiming it improved
the ride? All in jest, a respose to some of the carbon foolishness...

yesterday worked on a titanium bike with carbon tape on the three main
tubes and chainstays...and the maker claims to the buyer that it
improved ride quality...real carbon looking sticky tape.....sold
direct, no bike shop involved....yikes....

I'd think it'd do two things for real First, it'd change the frequency
of the frame to give it a different sort of feel. Many folks think of
different as better - after all - that's progress. Second, it'd impart a
slightly greater stiffness to the frame in all directions. If that
additional amount could be noticed or easily measured, well, I don't
know that.

Quoted message said:

I suppose it's a question of how much tape.

Or type of tape. Enough aluminum duct tape would no doubt have some
sort of effect.

Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

yesterday worked on a titanium bike with carbon tape on the three main
tubes and chainstays...and the maker claims to the buyer that it
improved ride quality...real carbon looking sticky tape.....sold
direct, no bike shop involved....yikes....

Nice work if you can get it!

Chalo

Bob said:

Quoted message said:

I suppose it's a question of how much tape.

Or type of tape. Enough aluminum duct tape would no doubt have some
sort of effect.

You mean there are other kinds?

Joseph

Paul Cassel said:

Quoted message said:

yesterday worked on a titanium bike with carbon tape on the three main
tubes and chainstays...and the maker claims to the buyer that it
improved ride quality...real carbon looking sticky tape.....sold
direct, no bike shop involved....yikes....

I'd think it'd do two things for real First, it'd change the frequency
of the frame to give it a different sort of feel. Many folks think of
different as better - after all - that's progress. Second, it'd impart a
slightly greater stiffness to the frame in all directions. If that
additional amount could be noticed or easily measured, well, I don't
know that.

I hope you are having fun with this....

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David L. Johnson said:

Paul Cassel said:

Quoted message said:

yesterday worked on a titanium bike with carbon tape on the three main
tubes and chainstays...and the maker claims to the buyer that it
improved ride quality...real carbon looking sticky tape.....sold
direct, no bike shop involved....yikes....

I'd think it'd do two things for real First, it'd change the frequency
of the frame to give it a different sort of feel. Many folks think of
different as better - after all - that's progress. Second, it'd impart a
slightly greater stiffness to the frame in all directions. If that
additional amount could be noticed or easily measured, well, I don't
know that.

I hope you are having fun with this....

of course.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Or type of tape. Enough aluminum duct tape would no doubt have some
sort of effect.

You mean there are other kinds?

Most commoners drink wine that comes in half-gallons, go to parties
where they server dinner before 8:30PM, and believe that duct tape
only comes in the silver cloth variety.

Sad, I know, but true.

Quoted message said:

Ken C. M. said:

Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

Remember the story about Sky Yaeger, that put some carbon looking
sticky tape onto some Bianchis, at Interbike, then claiming it improved
the ride? All in jest, a respose to some of the carbon foolishness...

yesterday worked on a titanium bike with carbon tape on the three main
tubes and chainstays...and the maker claims to the buyer that it
improved ride quality...real carbon looking sticky tape.....sold
direct, no bike shop involved....yikes....

So now how exactly WOULD a tape stuck to a frame improve ride quality?

I suppose it's a question of how much tape.

The color, thickness, surface texture and placement would doubtless be
important as well, since this is clearly a feng shui matter more than
an engineering issue.

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Bob said:

On 29 May 2006 09:27:54 -0700, [email hidden] wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I suppose it's a question of how much tape.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Or type of tape. Enough aluminum duct tape would no doubt have some
sort of effect.

Quoted message said:

You mean there are other kinds?

Certainly! Multiple colors of cloth-backed duct tape, stainless steel
foil duct tape, aluminum foil duct tape, and some that use nonwoven
fiber reinforcement as well.

"Bob" wrote: Most commoners drink wine that comes in half-gallons, go to
parties where they server dinner before 8:30PM, and believe that duct tape
only comes in the silver cloth variety. (clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Also, most commoners call it "duck tape."

Where is Garrison Kielor when we need him?

Per Qui si parla Campagnolo:

Quoted message said:

.and the maker claims to the buyer that it
improved ride quality..

You gonna tell us the maker's name or just leave everybody hanging? -)
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