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  1. in message <[email hidden]>, Ambrose Nankivell

    (') said:

    My supposition is that it's reasonable to assume dangerous driving in
    such a case, because *I can see very very few reasons why a car would
    hit a cyclist from behind on a road with no junctions and it would be
    the cylist's fault*, unless the cyclist swerved very hard to the right
    just before being passed.

    It's /always/ the responsibility of the overtaking vehicle to keep clear,
    irrespective of what the overtaken vehicle does.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    ;; better than your average performing pineapple

  2. in message <[email hidden]>, Tony Raven

    (') said:
    Ambrose Nankivell said:
    Jim Ley said:

    On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 20:36:41 +0100, "Ambrose Nankivell"
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    > Jim Ley wrote:
    >> The prosecution presumably believed that the accident was either
    >> no-ones fault, or it was the dead cyclists fault, so didn't
    >> consider bring any charges related to the accident.
    >
    > Or possibly they couldn't reach a suitable burden of proof to get
    > any charges related to the crash to be likely to stand.

    Well certainly, but the CPS specifically gave _no evidence_ to a
    charge of careless driving, are you suggesting that they did have
    evidence of dangerous driving but declined to give it?

    I imagine they gave no evidence because only two people who saw the
    crash, and one's dead, and one has a vested interest in not being
    found guilty (I have to say, if I were to do such a thing, and I'm
    sadly far from infallible behind the wheel of a car, my conscience
    would *demand* I pleaded guilty and told the truth in as unpolished a
    way as I could), so there really wouldn't have been a lot to go on.

    Have just read the Southern Daily Echo on it. It seems there was a
    charge of driving without due care an attention but it was dropped.
    From what the police said it seems clear they were trying manslaughter
    as a test case to clarify its use in motoring deaths. Looking at the
    picture of the car and windscreen it appears that the cyclist was hit
    by the driver side front wing near the front of the car and then hit
    the
    front pillar and windscreen on the drivers side. If that is the case
    there is no way the driver could not have seen what happened.

    Does anyone know whether the prosecuting authorities in England have the
    power to appeal the judge's decision not to allow the manslaughter
    charge to proceed? If this is a 'test case', a very dangerous precedent
    is being set.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

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  3. [email hidden] sd / msg
    <[email hidden]> dtd 16 Oct
    2005 08:18:40 -0700:

    Quoted message said:

    An angry motorist who was involved in the death of a 62-year-old city
    cyclist after a road rage attack has been given a suspended jail
    sentence. Andrew Hart pushed Alan Scott off his bike because he was
    furious at being held up on a country lane. The city council employee,
    who lived in Sweetbrier Lane, Exeter, fractured a shoulder and later
    developed a fatal blood clot.

    A classic case of manslaughter, in fact. The actions of the motorist
    did in fact "cause or accelerate" the death of the cyclist.

    The man should be banned for life.

    Guy
    --
    http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

    "To every complex problem there is a solution which is
    simple, neat and wrong" - HL Mencken

  4. Simon Brooke <[email hidden]>typed

    Quoted message said:

    Good grief. This from someone _employed_ as a journalist? What happened
    to 'pled'?

    I don't think the English use that term much. I believe the Scots do...

    --
    Helen D. Vecht: [email hidden]
    Edgware.

  5. you know? said:

    [email hidden] sd / msg
    <[email hidden]> dtd 16 Oct
    2005 08:18:40 -0700:

    Quoted message said:

    An angry motorist who was involved in the death of a 62-year-old city
    cyclist after a road rage attack has been given a suspended jail
    sentence. Andrew Hart pushed Alan Scott off his bike because he was
    furious at being held up on a country lane. The city council employee,
    who lived in Sweetbrier Lane, Exeter, fractured a shoulder and later
    developed a fatal blood clot.

    A classic case of manslaughter, in fact. The actions of the motorist
    did in fact "cause or accelerate" the death of the cyclist.

    The man should be banned for life.

    He should have his goolies cut off.

  6. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Just zis Guy said:

    The man should be banned for life.

    Guy - you got this one wrong!

    The man should be banned from life.

    --
    A T (Sandy) Morton
    on the Bicycle Island
    In the Global Village
    http://www.millport.net

  7. Simon Brooke said:

    in message <[email hidden]>, Colin Blackburn

    (') said:

    He was charged with both offences, from one of the BBC reports:

    "Peter Cottrell, of Romsey Road, Cadnam, Hampshire, also pleaded guilty
    to failing to stop after an accident and failing to report the
    accident."

    Good grief. This from someone _employed_ as a journalist? What happened
    to 'pled'?

    He's an English journalist using the correct term in English English.
    Pled is Scots, Spenser, US and some other dialect forms of English.

    Colin

  8. Colin Blackburn said:
    Quoted message said:

    Good grief. This from someone _employed_ as a journalist? What happened
    to 'pled'?

    He's an English journalist using the correct term in English English.
    Pled is Scots, Spenser, US and some other dialect forms of English.

    Correct. The OED for pled says see plead where you will find the word
    pleaded widely used by Gibbons in his epic work on the Roman Empire, in
    Howards End and in plenty of other literary references.

    --
    Tony

    "I did make a mistake once - I thought I'd made a mistake but I hadn't"
    Anon

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