Ultegra v. Dura Ace

Ultegra == 0.98 Dura-Ace quality @ 0.70 Dura-Ace price.

On 04/02/2004 08:14 PM, in article
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I am in the market place for a new bike and I am
considering the differences between Ultegra and Dura Ace.
I used to race road bikes (Cat IV) about 12-15 years ago,
and my old bike was equipped with Dura Ace components. I
really loved Dura Ace compared to the old Shimano 600
(which I undertand was replaced by Ultegra).

My question is: what is most peoples' experience with the
difference between the two component groups? Is a bike
equipped with Dura Ace worth the extra $1,000 as compared
to a similar bike equipped with Ultegra?

I would like to get back into racing and triathlons, but I
am primarily interested in riding on weekends and one or
two times during the week. I want something that will last
for a lot of years. Is Dura Ace much more durable than
Ultegra?

Any feedback will be greatly appreciated.

Regards,

RD

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"Raoul Duke" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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My question is: what is most peoples' experience with the
difference between the two component groups? Is a bike
equipped with Dura Ace worth the extra $1,000 as compared
to a similar bike equipped with Ultegra?

I would like to get back into racing and triathlons, but I
am primarily interested in riding on weekends and one or
two times during the week. I want something that will last
for a lot of years. Is Dura Ace much more durable than
Ultegra?

<SNIP>

This has always been an easy question for me to answer. In
my view unless you are top category racer in true racing
form, or a gear head, there is no reason to purchase DA over
Ultegra. The performance characteristics are extremely close
and the weight differences really don't effect a typical
racer. Most racers can easily lose the weight delta from
their fat reserves and save the $$$.

Have fun

"Raoul Duke" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I am in the market place for a new bike and I am
considering the

differences

Quoted message said:

between Ultegra and Dura Ace. I used to race road bikes
(Cat IV) about 12-15 years ago, and my old bike was
equipped with Dura Ace components. I really loved Dura Ace
compared to the old Shimano 600 (which I undertand

was

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replaced by Ultegra).

It's sort of a matter of taste. I had the second set of
DuraAce STI shifter in the area and I thought that they were
the cat's meow. I've since had several bikes with Ultegra on
them and although the quality is every bit as good in my
opinion, they feel totally different. Ultegra doesn't
"click" like DuraAce and I don't like that.

But more to the point - most of my bikes have been switched
to Campy for years. Campy levers feel better, shift at least
as well (for a triple they shift quite a bit better in my
estimation) and the Centaur group is priced about like an
Ultegra group and I'd rate it better than Ultegra or even
DuraAce in operational characteristics. DuraAce is good
stuff, no doubt, but you don't gain much going to DuraAce.

"Raoul Duke" wrote ...

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I used to race road bikes

First of all, please accept my appreciation for stating
"used" correctly. You don't know how many people come in
here and say "I use to ..."

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Any feedback will be greatly appreciated.

Second, two words: Campy Chorus. However, since you remind
me of myself five years ago, if you have the money and you
live where people care, you'll impress your friends with Dura-
Ace. If you care about value, Ultegra should be just fine.
And no one with their head screwed on straight will snub
their nose at "U."

Jim "Nothing Like Campy" Flom

What is the weight difference between the two... assuming
one installs the complete group?

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My question is: what is most peoples' experience with
the difference between the two component groups? Is a
bike equipped with Dura Ace

worth

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the extra $1,000 as compared to a similar bike equipped
with Ultegra?

I would like to get back into racing and triathlons, but
I am primarily interested in riding on weekends and one
or two times during the week.

I

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want something that will last for a lot of years. Is
Dura Ace much more durable than Ultegra?

<SNIP>

This has always been an easy question for me to answer. In
my view unless you are top category racer in true racing
form, or a gear head, there is

no

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reason to purchase DA over Ultegra. The performance
characteristics are extremely close and the weight
differences really don't effect a typical racer. Most
racers can easily lose the weight delta from their fat

reserves

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and save the $$$.

Have fun

Jim Flom said:

Second, two words: Campy Chorus.

Blasphemer.

Three words and a number: Campy Record Carbon 10

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Steven L. Sheffield said:

On 04/02/2004 10:15 PM, in article
XLrbc.1521$Sh4.1047@edtnps84, "Jim Flom"

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Second, two words: Campy Chorus.

Blasphemer.

Three words and a number: Campy Record Carbon 10

04 Chorus 10, there, two two digit numbers and one
word... top that. Most (All?) of the carbon of Record at
usd400 less.....

OK with 9 speed? Or do you just have to have 10? DA is the
only current Brand S offering in 10, Ultegra is suposed to
be out next year.. (?)

That being said I have one of each, Ultegra 9 and Chorus 10.
Which is best? [censored] they both work really nicely. You mind
looking at the Brand S cable routings or do you like the
cleaner (IMHO) routings of Brand C? My right ultegra shifter
is a bit sloppy after 3000 miles, but still works. The Campy
levers feel a bit small, but all in all I like the chorus
better (Qualifier, the Chorus is brand freaken new with 25
miles on it...).

My .02... If your not a full blown gearhead or a Pro racer,
Ultegra or Chorus (even Centaur..) will be just fine.

As always this is an uncompensated opinion, YMMV.

FB - apologises for making this another Campy v
Shimano thread.

"Raoul Duke" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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My question is: what is most peoples' experience with the
difference between the two component groups? Is a bike
equipped with Dura Ace worth the extra $1,000 as compared
to a similar bike equipped with Ultegra?

When someone else is paying the bills ... Dura-ace or
Record ... when YOU are paying the bills, Ultegra or
Chorus. If money is not a problem get the lesser and
upgrade wheels!! Maybe get DA shifters they do have a very
different feel to them ... you'll have to adjust out the
10'th cog which is a hack.

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raoul-<< My question is: what is most peoples' experience
with the difference between the two component groups? Is a
bike equipped with Dura Ace worth the extra $1,000 as
compared to a similar bike equipped with Ultegra?

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10s DA or 9s?

If 9s, I would stay away as these components are not going
to be supported for long.

As for 9s Ultegra, expect a huge change to 10s for 2005...

The weak link in shimano is the non-repairability of the levers-

have ya considered Chorus and Centaur? Cheaper and
repairable.

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smiles-<< Maybe get DA shifters they do have a very
different feel to them ... you'll have to adjust out the
10'th cog which is a hack. >><BR><BR>

DA 10s shifters will not shift shimano 9s spacing...

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"Raoul Duke" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I would like to get back into racing and triathlons, but I
am primarily interested in riding on weekends and one or
two times during the week. I want something that will last
for a lot of years. Is Dura Ace much more durable than
Ultegra?

Word from the Shimano rep. at worlds last year was that some
DA components are actually less durable than their Ultegra
counterparts. If you want light weight go DA. If you want
best durability go Ultegra.

-Andy B.

"Faster Bordello" wrote ...

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That being said I have one of each, Ultegra 9 and Chorus
10. Which is best?

Some personal pref I suppose, but I don't like the way the
shifter is directly involved with the brake lever in
Shimano. For instance, once on a descent with a gloved hand
I tried to brake, and the shifter/brake lever slid out of my
hand to the inside. It was not improperly installed. There's
just too much play in there for my taste. Yum.

Jim Flom

On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 03:59:31 GMT, "Tom Kunich" <[email hidden]>

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"Raoul Duke" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I am in the market place for a new bike and I am
considering the

differences

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between Ultegra and Dura Ace.

It's sort of a matter of taste. I had the second set of
DuraAce STI shifter in the area and I thought that they
were the cat's meow. I've since had several bikes with
Ultegra on them and although the quality is every bit as
good in my opinion, they feel totally different. Ultegra
doesn't "click" like DuraAce and I don't like that.

Tom:

I'm guessing (not a big stretch) that your Dura Ace STI was
the 8-speed (7400 Series) stuff. You're right, they do feel
different; but they also feel different from Dura Ace 9-
speed. It's because of the smaller amount of cable pull
required. You don't have to move the 8-speed levers very far
to get them to shift.

When I converted my Vitus 992 (you appreciate that, right
Tom?) from 8 to 9-speed Dura Ace I put the 8-speed stuff on
my old Trek beater. I had that bike out for the first time
this year just the other day. My first impression, "Boy
these shifters feel great!"

BTW, the 8-speed group was purchased in 1992, and still
functions perfectly. Too bad it's as lonely an orphan as my
992's headset. :-(

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Ultegra == 0.98 Dura-Ace quality @ 0.70 Dura-Ace price.

This is the correct answer.

Wayne himself says, "If you could ride with your eyes
closed it would be impossible to tell the difference
between DA and Ultegra. The only real difference is weight,
and that isn't much".

"Bestest Handsander" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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What is the weight difference between the two... assuming
one installs the complete group?

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I am not sure of the complete group with the DA 10 speed and
Ultegra still at 9 speed. I do know the differences of some
of the key components. Weight in grams.

Brakes - DA- 314 U - 335

Shifter/Brake levers - DA- 419 U - 485

Cassette - DA- 280 U - 190

Chain - DA-280 U- 304

Pedals - DA-270 U - 304

Thanks to all for the excellent responses to my original query re: Dura Ace
v. Ultegra. I am persuaded to go with Ultegra and use the
$1000 savings to upgrade various components.

Thanks again,

RD

Andy Birko said:

"Raoul Duke" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I would like to get back into racing and triathlons, but
I am primarily interested in riding on weekends and one
or two times during the week. I want something that will
last for a lot of years. Is Dura Ace much more durable
than Ultegra?

Word from the Shimano rep. at worlds last year was that
some DA components are actually less durable than their
Ultegra counterparts. If you want light weight go DA. If
you want best durability go Ultegra.

-Andy B.

Sure, like the cassette? Steel is more duable than Ti.

I doubt as a whole Ultegra is more durable than DA, though.
DA is good for 40K+ miles for me (for everything but "wear
parts" which is cogs and chains and brake pads. I seem to
get a bug to get a whole new bike every 4 years or so, which
means I don't typically test it for more than that.

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Ultegra == 0.98 Dura-Ace quality @ 0.70 Dura-Ace price.

This is the correct answer.

Wayne himself says, "If you could ride with your eyes
closed it would be impossible to tell the difference
between DA and Ultegra. The only real difference is
weight, and that isn't much".

Unless you can't count, wouldn't you notice that extra cog
in the rear?? But yes, 98% of Dura-Ace sounds fair.

Dave