Ultegra brifters to 105 der ??

"Tom Nicholson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Hi,

A techy question:

Will my newly scavenged Ultegra 7 speed STI shifters work with my old Shimano 105 rear derraileur?
(Short cage 7 spd. I'm using the same wheels and everything, just swapping to a new frame and
adding STI shifters.

Yes.

It's bizarre that someone can know the phrase "brifter" which is a contrived, "techy" term, but not
whether the components mentioned work together.

JT

On 7 Jan 2004 14:56:15 -0800, [email hidden] (John Forrest

Tomlinson) said:

It's bizarre that someone can know the phrase "brifter" which is a contrived, "techy" term, but not
whether the components mentioned work together.

I wasn't sure about the rear derailleur either. I encountered a Huret rear derailleur that didn't
have enough range to shift the width of 8 cogs.

I don't look upon 'brifter' as being so techie. I remember using the term on the bicycling SIG
(SpecialInterestGroup) on CIS (compuserve). I had one of the first 500 numbers. They didn't give
users names then.

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It's bizarre that someone can know the phrase "brifter" which is a contrived, "techy" term, but
not whether the components mentioned work together.

JT

I'm quite surprised that you, of all people connected with bikes, would say something like that.
There are people of all stages of bicycle knowledge that visit this site, most to further their
'cycle education'. Many read Sheldon Brown's site and would pick up a word like "brifter" without
knowing much else about it. Yet. Remember, you had to start your journey somewhere.

"Tom Nicholson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Hi,

A techy question:

Will my newly scavenged Ultegra 7 speed STI shifters work with my old Shimano 105 rear derraileur?
(Short cage 7 spd. I'm using the same wheels and everything, just swapping to a new frame and
adding STI shifters.

I dont need seemless shifting, just something that works.

Im building up the bike on a new frame and have the option to buy new derrs' cheaply but don't
want to spend the money if not necessary.

Thanks in advance,

Tom. (southern hemisphere for those that care)

For what it's worth, you should know that you should be able to use an 8-speed wheel if you like. I
often use an 8spd hub/wheel with my 7spd rx100 set. The steel frame spreads 2mm per side easily. The
only adjustments I need to make are to the limit screws if I want to be able to use the lowest gear
on the 8. I don't have to touch the adjusting barrel.

--Art

[email hidden] (John Forrest Tomlinson) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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It's bizarre that someone can know the phrase "brifter" which is a contrived, "techy" term, but
not whether the components mentioned work together.

JT

Where do you see "brifter" in the original posting?

And besides which, Ultegra and 105 parts are, and always have been, compatible. Bolt 'em on and
shift away- you'll have no problems.

Jeff

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It's bizarre that someone can know the phrase "brifter" which is a contrived, "techy" term, but
not whether the components mentioned work together.

JT

Oops- sorry. It's in the subject line, not the body. My fault.

Jeff

Mr Tomlinson,

I used the term Brifter because I like it - It describes exactly what they are - Brake and shifter
levers in one. Your apparent disdain for the term and assumption that my level of bicycle related
knowledge is limited I find a little trite.

I have been a reader of this group for something like 2 years. A quick search will show how little I
contribute. However I do read, and find a lot of the tiopics here interesting. BUT I only read posts
that interest me at the time depending on my current projects and what I'm interested in.

As I've never had the fortune to own a pair of Ultegra STI shifters before, or fiddled with a 105
rear derraileur before, AND considering the apparent lack of compatability I read about here between
Shimano's product lines - I thought it pertinent to delve into the depths of Usenet.

By the way your post gave exactly no infomation as to the question I asked. But thanks for
yourvalued - if assumed - comments.

Tom.

(And yes I'm a evil Top Poster)

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It's bizarre that someone can know the phrase "brifter" which is a contrived, "techy" term, but
not whether the components mentioned work together.

JT

Thanks Jeff, I will. 🙂

Tom

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[email hidden] (John Forrest Tomlinson) wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

It's bizarre that someone can know the phrase "brifter" which is a contrived, "techy" term, but
not whether the components mentioned work together.

JT

Where do you see "brifter" in the original posting?

And besides which, Ultegra and 105 parts are, and always have been, compatible. Bolt 'em on and
shift away- you'll have no problems.

Jeff

Dave,

I picked up the term Brifter in threads on this group. I'm aware that some dont like it,
however I do.

I like many here, also refer to Sheldons site for info often, so my use of it may have been
reinforced by those visits. I also find that knowledge fo part compatability and names between
components is a fairly in depth level of bike knowledge - something that I feel only those who spend
most of their time with many bikes would learn. I as a Geologist, spend some of my time building
bikes, but much of my time doing other things. My Journey has many parrallel threads!

Tom

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"John Forrest Tomlinson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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It's bizarre that someone can know the phrase "brifter" which is a contrived, "techy" term, but
not whether the components mentioned work together.

JT

I'm quite surprised that you, of all people connected with bikes, would say something like that.
There are people of all stages of bicycle knowledge that visit this site, most to further their
'cycle education'. Many read Sheldon Brown's site and would pick up a word like "brifter" without
knowing much else about it. Yet. Remember, you had to start your journey somewhere.

Tom-<< Will my newly scavenged Ultegra 7 speed STI shifters work with my old Shimano 105 rear
derraileur? >><BR><BR>

Yes but ultegra 'STI' was never 7s, AFAIK, 8s only.

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It's bizarre that someone can know the phrase "brifter" which is a contrived, "techy" term, but
not whether the components mentioned work together.

JT

Where do you see "brifter" in the original posting?

Umm, in the Subject: line?

Tom Nicholson said:

..... considering the apparent lack of compatability I read about here between Shimano's
product lines -

This is one area, if not THE one area, where Shimano parts are compatible -with the exception of
Dura-Ace it seems. The multiplier in the rear mech is the same for most, if not all, Shimano
models, as are the spacings in the cassette, for the same number of 'speeds' so we have the luxury
of being able to pick parts from different groupsets with few worries about compatibility. This has
been true for a long time, back in 1988 or so I fitted a Deore 6 speed rear mech with 105 levers,
in 2003 I replaced the rear mech with a modern 9 Speed LX one and it worked fine with the same
levers and cassette.

Remember Dura-Ace seems to be different to the rest of the family.

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Tom Nicholson said:

I used the term Brifter because I like it - It describes exactly what they are - Brake and shifter
levers in one.

I'm ambivalent about it myself. I like its compactness, but it is not self-explanatory as
"brake/shifter" is.

I use the term in some contexts, not in others, basically only using it with an audience whom I feel
reasonably confident will already know the term.

"Presta" is another word that I treat this way. If in doubt, I'll say "skinny valve."

I'm also a photographer, and there's a very similar situation, equally controversial, with the use
of the term "blix." I _never_ call it "bleach/fix."

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Tom Nicholson said:

..... considering the apparent lack of compatability I read about here between Shimano's
product lines -

This is one area, if not THE one area, where Shimano parts are compatible -with the exception of
Dura-Ace it seems. The multiplier in the rear mech is the same for most, if not all, Shimano
models, as are the spacings in the cassette, for the same number of 'speeds' so we have the luxury
of being able to pick parts from different groupsets with few worries about compatibility. This
has been true for a long time, back in 1988 or so I fitted a Deore 6 speed rear mech with 105
levers, in 2003 I replaced the rear mech with a modern 9 Speed LX one and it worked fine with the
same levers and cassette.

Remember Dura-Ace seems to be different to the rest of the family.

That was true for historical reasons through the 1996 model year. In 1997, with the introduction of
9-speed, Dura-Ace was brought into harmonization with the rest of the line.

I have an article that explains all of the interchangeability issues with older Dura-Ace stuff:
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Tom Nicholson said:

I used the term Brifter because I like it - It describes exactly what they are - Brake and
shifter levers in one.

I'm ambivalent about it myself. I like its compactness, but it is not self-explanatory as
"brake/shifter" is.

I use the term in some contexts, not in others, basically only using it with an audience whom I
feel reasonably confident will already know the term.

If you're going to use it at all, please spell it properly: "brifteur", like "derailleur"
and "gruppo".

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Sheldon Brown wrote:

I don't like it at all and I have only seen it used on rec.bicycles.tech !!

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"Tom Nicholson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Dave,

I picked up the term Brifter in threads on this group. I'm aware that some dont like it,
however I do.

I like many here, also refer to Sheldons site for info often, so my use of it may have been
reinforced by those visits. I also find that knowledge fo part compatability and names between
components is a fairly in depth level of bike knowledge - something that I feel only those who
spend most of their time with many bikes would learn. I as a Geologist, spend some of my time
building bikes, but much of my time doing other things. My Journey has many parrallel threads!

Tom

Tom:

I hope you realize my comments were directed to JFT, not you.

Dave

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If you're going to use it at all, please spell it properly: "brifteur", like "derailleur" and
"gruppo".

Why would that be correct? Brifter is a contaction of brake/shifter, not brake/shifteur.

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