Ultegra 10 with Campy 10 Ergo

Paul Kopit said:

Long post to say that you can interchange Campy 10 and Shimino 10
wheels w/o adjustments.

My drivetrain is Campy 10 with a compact 50/34 crankset. My favorite,
all around cassette was a Shimano, 9sp, 12/27. That shifted fine with
Campy 10 but the stops and tension needed to be adjusted when I put
the wheel in.

I knew from my experience last year with DA 10 sp cassettes that the
Campy 10 would shift them fine. I deemed the DA 10 too costly and I
haven't had marvelous luck with Ti cogs.

I bought a 10 sp x 12/27 Ultegra cassette to use on a Ultegra 6500
hub. My goal was to be able to switch between Campy 10 and Shimano 10
cassettes with no adjustments.

I managed to achieve the goal but I had to put a 1 mm cassette spacer
on before the Shimano cassette. The cage on the Campy derailleur was
getting close to the spokes when the low gear derailleur stop was
properly adjusted. I really don't know why this is. Admittedly, the
rim was a 32 hole Velocity Aerohead, non OC, and the NDS is pretty
flat. I didn't have to adjust the stops on the front derailleur at
all which leads me to believe that I didn't change the chainline by
inserting the 1 mm spacer.

A next experiment is to see if I can make 12/30 or 12/32 x 10 sp
Shimano cassettes.

Way to go Paul. Just the info I've been needing. Thanks.

Kenny Lee

quote='Kenny'Paul Kopit said:

Long post to say that you can interchange Campy 10 and Shimino 10
wheels w/o adjustments.

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What do you think the chances of getting 10 speed Campy shifters with an Ultegra 9 speed rear derailleur and 10 speed ultegra cassette? I've been using the trick to get Campy Ergo 10 shifters to work with 9 speed drivetrain and that has worked well.

jasong-<< What do you think the chances of getting 10 speed Campy shifters with
an Ultegra 9 speed rear derailleur and 10 speed ultegra cassette? >><BR><BR>

I think zero-Why sully up ERGO (or STI for that matter) with the 'opposite'
rder? Just match 'em and go ride.

Peter Chisholm
Vecchio's Bicicletteria
1833 Pearl St.
Boulder, CO, 80302
(303)440-3535
http://www.vecchios.com
"Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"

I think the answer is cost. Campy rear ders can be very expensive -
compare a Record or Chorus carbon rear der to DA or ultegra, ouch!.
Even Veloce starts at about $60-70. Used Campy rear der are actually
hard to find or expensive.

In contrast, ultegra rear derailleur start at about $50 and you can
find them on ebay or craigslist for as low as $20.

Nevertheless, I agree with Peter, if you gonna use Ergo levers, don't
be cheap, get yourself Campy rear der and be done with it!

BFD-<< I think the answer is cost. Campy rear ders can be very expensive -
compare a Record or Chorus carbon rear der to DA or ultegra, ouch!.
Even Veloce starts at about $60-70. Used Campy rear der are actually
hard to find or expensive. >><BR><BR>

Then use a Centaur or Veloce. Titanium and carbon are more expensive than stell
and aluminum.

6600 and 7800 rear ders are NOT cheap.

Peter Chisholm
Vecchio's Bicicletteria
1833 Pearl St.
Boulder, CO, 80302
(303)440-3535
http://www.vecchios.com
"Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"

Yeah, both cost and already having the rear Der. I had STIs before and all Ultegra, but liked the Ergo shifters so integrated those into the gruppo. Everything else is Shimano. Ergo shifters are the only Campy thing comparable or less expensive than the Shimano counterpart. Why is that?

bfd said:

I think the answer is cost. Campy rear ders can be very expensive -
be cheap, get yourself Campy rear der and be done with it!

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Yeah, both cost and already having the rear Der. I had STIs before and
all Ultegra, but liked the Ergo shifters so integrated those into the
gruppo. Everything else is Shimano. Ergo shifters are the only Campy
thing comparable or less expensive than the Shimano counterpart. Why is
that?

Well, if you compare Shimano and Campy rear der, both Record and Chorus are
more expensive than DA or Ultegra because of the material used. A Record
rear der has carbon plate and ti bolt; Chorus has carbon plate. Shimano
doesn't use any of these exotic materials, sticking with lightweight
aluminum. Result - Campy rear ders are more expensive, duh!

If you're too cheap to just buy a campy rear der, maybe you ought to try one
of these shiftmate devices Sheldon Brown sells, suppose it will make your
shimano rear der work with Campy ergo levers:

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/shiftmate.html

Btw, if you think Campy stuff is expensive, I don't think you've seen the
price of shimano 10 stuff. An Ultegra 10 group is going for about $1200.
Individually, it ain't cheap either:

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/ultegra10.html