Ullrich looks very strong

True, but when the road goes vertical, he will loose 30 seconds to a minute to the better climbers.
And since LA is one of those better climbers, Jan will not be able to take the time back in the ITT.
He needs a big push from his team in the TTT gaining more than a minute or 2 on Once and Postal to
win this thing.

BTW I think USPS is not going to do a good time trial because they have too many small climbers for
this course...

TimBenz said:

I've been impressed so far with how powerfully Ullrich is riding. There's not just his prologue
performance to consider, but also his riding in the first few flat stages. On these recent stages
he has seemingly effortlessly rode near the front of group, even taking wind on his face when he
doesn't need to. Today he looked like his top twenty finish didn't even cause him to break a sweat.

TimBenz said:

I've been impressed so far with how powerfully Ullrich is riding. There's not just his prologue
performance to consider, but also his riding in the first few flat stages. On these recent
stages he has seemingly effortlessly rode near the front of group, even taking wind on his face
when he doesn't need to. Today he looked like his top twenty finish didn't even cause him to
break a sweat.

It is an interesting contrast in psyops. Ullrich has always ridden to intimidate. Armstrong has
always tried to look vulnerable, at least since '98.

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True, but when the road goes vertical, he will loose 30 seconds to a

minute to

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the better climbers.

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1997 TdF, back when Ullrich took cycling seriously. No one climbed better, not even those
little guys.

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BTW I think USPS is not going to do a good time trial because they have too

many

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small climbers for this course...

Those "small climbers" looked to have pretty big hearts in today's team time trial...

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True, but when the road goes vertical, he will loose 30 seconds to a

minute to

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the better climbers. And since LA is one of those better climbers, Jan

will not

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be able to take the time back in the ITT. He needs a big push from his

team in

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the TTT gaining more than a minute or 2 on Once and Postal to win this

thing.

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BTW I think USPS is not going to do a good time trial because they have too

many

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small climbers for this course...

TimBenz said:

I've been impressed so far with how powerfully Ullrich is riding. There's not just his prologue
performance to consider, but also his riding in the first few flat stages. On these recent stages
he has seemingly

effortlessly

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rode near the front of group, even taking wind on his face when he

doesn't

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need to. Today he looked like his top twenty finish didn't even cause him to break a sweat.

Team Bianchi just finished 3rd in the TTT, 43 sec behind Postal, not really close, but according to
cyclingnews.com, Ulrich was taking double turns. The man's on fire! It could be a great Tour.

GK

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True, but when the road goes vertical, he will loose 30 seconds to a

minute to

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the better climbers.

<snip>

1997 TdF, back when Ullrich took cycling seriously. No one climbed better, not even those
little guys.

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BTW I think USPS is not going to do a good time trial because they have too many small climbers
for this course...

Postal won the TTT by 30 sec over ONCE and put 43 sec into Ullrich's Bianchi team.

Paris is a long ways a way, but it's looking like someone will need to put a pump into Lance's
spokes to keep him from winning. Certainly don't need to worry about the strength of his team.

Evan www.whereisevan.com

This could be like the 1985 Tour all over again. You have a climber that beat the team captain in
the only ITT so far and on that strength (along with the team of course) he is now in yellow. How
will he lose it? Will the team have to order him back?

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BTW I think USPS is not going to do a good time trial because they have too

many

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small climbers for this course...

Postal won the TTT by 30 sec over ONCE and put 43 sec into Ullrich's Bianchi team.

Paris is a long ways a way, but it's looking like someone will need to put a pump into Lance's
spokes to keep him from winning. Certainly don't need to worry about the strength of his team.

Evan www.whereisevan.com

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This could be like the 1985 Tour all over again. You have a climber that beat the team captain in
the only ITT so far and on that strength (along with the team of course) he is now in yellow. How
will he lose it? Will

the

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team have to order him back?

No need to. Lance will beat him in the ITT, if not before that.

-T

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It is an interesting contrast in psyops. Ullrich has always ridden to intimidate. Armstrong has
always tried to look vulnerable, at least since '98.

Funny you should say that. I was thinking something similar this morning when Armstrong gave his
typically downbeat comments after the TTT. While he was smiling, he also said the TTT was hard as
hell, etc. etc. He certainly didn't aggressively play up his own strength, or that of his team.

While Ullrich is trying to downplay his own plans this year, I'm really curious whether Armstrong is
playing games, or if he is finding it harder this year. As I posted a month or so back, while he won
the Daupine, I'm convinced he won it on heart, desire, and suffering, and not on form. Mayo looked
much better throughout, attacking Armstrong at will, and even dropping him once.

Going to be some great mountain stages ahead ....

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This could be like the 1985 Tour all over again. You have a climber that beat the team captain
in the only ITT so far and on that strength (along with the team of course) he is now in yellow.
How will he lose it? Will

the

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team have to order him back?

No need to. Lance will beat him in the ITT, if not before that.

I can dream...

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Team Bianchi just finished 3rd in the TTT, 43 sec behind Postal, not really close, but according
to cyclingnews.com, Ulrich was taking double turns. The man's on fire! It could be a great Tour.

Even more impressive when you think how depleted the squad is compared to the beginning of the year.

Shrek said:

True, but when the road goes vertical, he will loose 30 seconds to a minute to the better
climbers. And since LA is one of those better climbers, Jan will not be able to take the time back
in the ITT. He needs a big push from his team in the TTT gaining more than a minute or 2 on Once
and Postal to win this thing.

How can you know until they go uphill? It ain't over until the fat master sings.

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BTW I think USPS is not going to do a good time trial because they have too many small climbers
for this course...

Funny in retrospect.

Basing that on Ullrich Tour D Swiss. I climbed well, but still lost time. He cannot accelerate with
the Armstrong and Pantanis. This has been proven, time and time again.

BTW Ullrich was in pretty darn good form in 2001 when he lost lots of time to LA in the Cols. I
think at best he is in 2001 form considering his knee injury and lack of racing. Time will tell if
he can last 3 weeks at this pace and if he can climb. I think he knows he has no chance of putting
time into Joseba and LA in the mountains so is trying to make up for it during the time trials and
other stages. This of course is total [censored] if Beloki and LA do not climb as well as they have in
the past and Ullrich has a darn good shot at winning this.

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Shrek said:

True, but when the road goes vertical, he will loose 30 seconds to a

minute to

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the better climbers. And since LA is one of those better climbers, Jan

will not

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be able to take the time back in the ITT. He needs a big push from his

team in

Quoted message said:

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the TTT gaining more than a minute or 2 on Once and Postal to win this

thing.

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How can you know until they go uphill? It ain't over until the fat master

sings.

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BTW I think USPS is not going to do a good time trial because they have too

many

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small climbers for this course...

Funny in retrospect.

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This could be like the 1985 Tour all over again. You have a climber that beat the team captain in the only ITT so far and on that strength (along with the team of course) he is now in yellow. How will he lose it? Will the team have to order him back?

V.H. Pena does not consider himself a climber. He says he is a TT specialist.
Either way, Lance will pass him soon.