ullrich is not fat

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Originally posted by Chiefhiawatha
What are you jerks talking about, saying Ullrich is all fat?
I have seen pictures and recent video of him on OLN and he
looks pretty lean to me.

He may be he may not be, but people use the criticism because poor eating habits and general weight problems have often hurt Jan. Jan has looked pretty bad in the early season so people say he is fat. Truth be told I don't think many people have actually seen him race. In Jan's defense, he looked pretty terrible at the begining of last year, but he rode into form by the time the latter stages of the tour hit. He did have one bad day on early in the tour. No one talks about it because he was not the main contender then, but condtioning was a problem that may have cost him a victory.

chiefsupersizeme said:

What are you jerks talking about, saying Ullrich is all
fat? I have seen pictures and recent video of him on OLN
and he looks pretty lean to me.

I wouldn't say fat, but I would say thick, which is an
affliction of those who overindulge in the off-season as
they age. Easy to lose fat, harder to lose muscle and
retain stamina.

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was not the main contender then, but condtioning was a
problem that may have cost him a victory.

Hey,

When was the former winner, and multiple (4 at that point)
second place overall not a main contender for the Tour?
Also, wasn't conditioning also the problem for the other
190 losers in the race?

Don't be lazy in your posts.

Thanks, Ronde Champ

Yeah, knock it off, you'll bruise his sensitive ego. He's
not fat, he's just big-boned!

App, who's big-boned too.

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was not the main contender then, but condtioning was a
problem that may have cost him a victory.

Hey,

When was the former winner, and multiple (4 at that
point) second place overall not a main contender for the
Tour? Also, wasn't conditioning also the problem for the
other 190 losers in the race?

Don't be lazy in your posts.

Thanks, Ronde Champ

What you say is really true, but you also have to wonder how
much better Jan would be in the mountains if he were a few
kilos lighter.

Mike

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was not the main contender then, but condtioning was a
problem that may have cost him a victory.

Hey,

When was the former winner, and multiple (4 at that point)
second place overall not a main contender for the Tour?
Also, wasn't conditioning also the problem for the other
190 losers in the race?

Don't be lazy in your posts.

Thanks, Ronde Champ

I mean that on the alpe d'huez stage beloki and not jan was considered the main challenger. Jan lost time that day and no one seems to remember it. Also, condtioning wasn't the problem for the other 190 people. Regardless of how hard a lot of them train they will never win the tour. I just don't see petacchi winning the TDF no matter how hard he trains. How many people iin last years race do you actually think could have won gc if they had better condtioning?

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He may be he may not be, but people use the criticism
because poor eating habits and general weight problems
have often hurt Jan. Jan has looked pretty bad in the
early season so people say he is fat. Truth be told I
don't think many people have actually seen him race. In
Jan's defense, he looked pretty terrible at the begining
of last year, but he rode into form by the time the latter
stages of the tour hit.

Yeah, every year he is slow to get to form, but this is the
first year he's been getting humiliated on climbs and
dropping out of all these races. And in other years he's
been worse off in other senses, like with Coast, and the
years with knee trouble. He has a formula for getting second
and it works very well. All he needs is for Armstrong to
falter...again.

I can't understand why he doesn't go back to what
"worked" in 96 and
97.

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I can't understand why he doesn't go back to what "worked"
in 96 and
97.

Um, he didn't look too shabby in 2003. He is not in that
form this year however.... yet. To me, he looks a bit over
weight and he is not in good shape for someone of his
potential. On the other hand, some people may be saying he
is fat and out of shape to get him motivated to challenge
Lance like last year. It surely was a fine race.

Curt

I think the Tour Weight is, for most riders, an unhealthy
weight. Lance looks older than 32 ( of course he had a
terrible disease also).

When it comes to losing weight your body really, really
wants to keep to maintain the highest resistance to
disease etc, you have to be pretty obsessive. You have to
have an unusual cognitive setup to be able to tolerate
feeling like [censored].

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> I can't understand why he doesn't go back to what "worked"

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in 96 and
97.

Um, he didn't look too shabby in 2003. He is not in that
form this year however.... yet. To me, he looks a bit over
weight and he is not in good shape for someone of his
potential. On the other hand, some people may be saying he
is fat and out of shape to get him motivated to challenge
Lance like last year. It surely was a fine race.

Curt

In the tour he looked great, yes, but he still couldn't get it done. Before the tour, he looked ok, probably better performances than any other spring since '97. In '96 and '97 he was much stronger than any of the following years on the leadup to the tour. But still he follows the same program that has netted him second every year he competes since.

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Yeah, knock it off, you'll bruise his sensitive ego. He's
not fat, he's just big-boned!

App, who's big-boned too.

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Curt said:

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I can't understand why he doesn't go back to what
"worked" in 96 and
97.

Um, he didn't look too shabby in 2003. He is not in
that form this

year

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however.... yet. To me, he looks a bit over weight and
he is not in

good

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shape for someone of his potential. On the other hand,
some people may be saying he is fat and out of shape
to get him motivated to challenge Lance like last
year. It surely was a fine race. Curt

In the tour he looked great, yes, but he still couldn't
get it done. Before the tour, he looked ok, probably
better performances than any other spring since '97. In
'96 and '97 he was much stronger than any of the following
years on the leadup to the tour. But still he follows the
same program that has netted him second every year he
competes since.

It is possible that he is going up against a person that is
just better than he is. I know people don't like to admit
such things, but Lance may just be a better rider and have a
stronger team. If Lance wasn't racing, we may be talking
about Jan all the time.

I am hoping for another close race this year, but right
now Lance looks very strong to say the least. I still
think Jan will look great in the TdF though. He is tough
and there is time.

Curt

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was not the main contender then, but condtioning was a
problem that may have cost him a victory.

Hey,

When was the former winner, and multiple (4 at that
point) second place overall not a main contender for
the Tour?

Ever since he celebrated his first win, he has come up short
as far as the fans are concerned.

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Also, wasn't conditioning also the problem for the other
190 losers in the race?

I guess there is only ever one guy per year in decent shape
(except when Lemond places second).

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Don't be lazy in your posts.

Yeah, right.

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Thanks, Ronde Champ

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was not the main contender then, but condtioning was a
problem that may have cost him a victory.

Hey,

When was the former winner, and multiple (4 at that
point) second place overall not a main contender for
the Tour? Also, wasn't conditioning also the problem
for the other 190 losers in the race?

Don't be lazy in your posts.

Thanks, Ronde Champ

What you say is really true, but you also have to wonder
how much better Jan would be in the mountains if he were a
few kilos lighter.

Surely you are familiar with the American term "if it ain't
broke, don't fix it." What he really needs to work on is his
descending and bike-handling abilities...

-Sonarrat.

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> was not the main contender then, but condtioning was
> a problem that may have cost him a victory.

Hey,

When was the former winner, and multiple (4 at that
point) second place overall not a main contender for
the Tour? Also, wasn't conditioning also the problem
for the other 190 losers in the race?

Don't be lazy in your posts.

Thanks, Ronde Champ

What you say is really true, but you also have to wonder
how much better Jan would be in the mountains if he were
a few kilos lighter.

Surely you are familiar with the American term "if it
ain't broke, don't fix it." What he really needs to work
on is his descending and bike-handling abilities...

That is also true, but as Liggett and Sherwin point out, a
heavier rider has a more difficult time keeping his center
of gravity over the bike on turns. I honestly don't know if
that's true, but it may be.

Mike

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was not the main contender then, but condtioning was
a problem that may have cost him a victory.

Hey, When was the former winner, and multiple (4 at
that point) second

place

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overall not a main contender for the Tour? Also,
wasn't conditioning also the problem for the other
190 losers in the race? Don't be lazy in your posts.
Thanks, Ronde Champ

I mean that on the alpe d'huez stage beloki and not jan
was considered the main challenger.

By whom? Are you talking about the talking heads on TV or
the newsgroups?

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Jan lost time that day and no one seems to remember
it.

Says who? I sure remember and I assume everyone else does
too that Jan was puking etc. and then struck back during the
next ITT that he won while taking back over a minute or so.
I never expected Beloki to beat Armstrong or Ullrich. He
never has before.

Also, condtioning wasn't the problem for the other 190
people.

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Regardless of how hard a lot of them train they will never
win the tour.

No matter how hard? I dunno about that. There are at least a
half dozen guys that could have taken Armstrong last year if
they had known how weak he would be and then trained to
place the Tour at the same priority that Armstrong did.
Lance's victory last year was truly based on intertia and
having expectations that worked in his favor. He was not
strong enough to win his first Tour last year but he did not
have to. Sometimes being the defending champ works against
you and sometimes it works for you but often there are
factors that work each way. IMO, 2003 was one year where
nobody else trained with the expectation of being able to
win. Heck, the biggest mouth of all of the competitors was
on Simoni and that was after he planned his year around the
Giro. If Armstrong was not the defending champ last year,
Ullrich would have won. Simoni may have had a shot if he
actually trained for the Tour instead of a (Giro and Tour)
double he never had done before.

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I just don't see petacchi winning the TDF no matter how
hard he trains. How many people iin last years race do you
actually think could have won gc if they had better
condtioning?

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Curt said:

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I can't understand why he doesn't go back to what
"worked" in 96 and
97.

Um, he didn't look too shabby in 2003. He is not in
that form this

year

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however.... yet. To me, he looks a bit over weight and
he is not in

good

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shape for someone of his potential. On the other hand,
some people may be saying he is fat and out of shape
to get him motivated to challenge Lance like last
year. It surely was a fine race. Curt

In the tour he looked great, yes, but he still couldn't
get it done.

What if he had not been sick on stage 6, or if it had not
rained during the last ITT, or...he was in at the kill even
though he did not expect it. Neither did anyone on his team
apparently. This year is different for w hole host of
reasons but the biggest one to me is that this is very
likely the last time Armstring and Ullrich will face off in
the Tour. Think about it, they are only a year apart and
both enormously talented. Armstrong has denied Ullrich the
victory 3 times (while missing 2 other LA Tour victories)
and last year was so damn close that it would be veyr easy
to look back and see a few simple changes that could have
made the difference.

The only reason Ullrich did not get it done is that at the
start, he did not believe he could be Armstrong and now he
does. I don't blame him. Good or bad fortune is not
something to count on, but it is not hard to see when
looking back. Ullrich has had some bad luck and some of it
was his doing, but not all of it. This could be one of the
greatest battles since Hinault and Lemond.

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Before the tour, he looked ok, probably better
performances than any other spring since '97. In '96 and
'97 he was much stronger than any of the following years
on the leadup to the tour. But still he follows the same
program that has netted him second every year he
competes since.

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I think the Tour Weight is, for most riders, an unhealthy
weight. Lance looks older than 32 ( of course he had a
terrible disease also).

Man, that is BS. Decide how you think he looks after he
retires or not at all. Unhealthy?

That is insane.

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When it comes to losing weight your body really, really
wants to keep to maintain the highest resistance to
disease etc, you have to be pretty obsessive. You have to
have an unusual cognitive setup to be able to tolerate
feeling like [censored].

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I think the Tour Weight is, for most riders, an
unhealthy weight. Lance looks older than 32 ( of course
he had a terrible disease also).

Man, that is BS. Decide how you think he looks after he
retires or not at all. Unhealthy?

That is insane.

do you think that 3% body fat for a month is not
unhealthy? Dave