Ullich was brilliant today!

Ullrich, I meant Ullrich was brilliant today!

The 'R' key sticks because of an incident with a glass of port.

Lindsay
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difficulty of finding somebody to blame your problems on. And when you do find somebody, it's
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Ullrich, I meant Ullrich was brilliant today!

Not that we would know that if we were listening to the OLN gang. Even when Lance is losing time,
it's still about him and how great his recovery was.

Well, to my eye it was a great recovery, but it wasn't as great a ride as Ullrich put in, and Lance
being able to hang on to the jersey by a thread isn't as great a story as Jan coming back and
proving he can ride with Lance in the mountains.

The USPS flacks and cheerleaders on TV give about one sentence of credit to Jan and an hour of
credit to Lance. the coverage is so biased that it's disgusting at times.

Mapei81 said:

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Ullrich, I meant Ullrich was brilliant today!

Not that we would know that if we were listening to the OLN gang. Even when Lance is losing time,
it's still about him and how great his recovery was.

Well, to my eye it was a great recovery, but it wasn't as great a ride as Ullrich put in, and
Lance being able to hang on to the jersey by a thread isn't as great a story as Jan coming back
and proving he can ride with Lance in the mountains.

The USPS flacks and cheerleaders on TV give about one sentence of credit to Jan and an hour of
credit to Lance. the coverage is so biased that it's disgusting at times.

Without Lance there would be no coverage.

"David Ryan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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Without Lance there would be no coverage.

So how do you explain the coverage of PR, the Giro and Vuelta?

David Ryan said:

Mapei81 said:

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Ullrich, I meant Ullrich was brilliant today!

Not that we would know that if we were listening to the OLN gang. Even when Lance is losing time,
it's still about him and how great his recovery was.

Well, to my eye it was a great recovery, but it wasn't as great a ride as Ullrich put in, and
Lance being able to hang on to the jersey by a thread isn't as great a story as Jan coming back
and proving he can ride with Lance in the mountains.

The USPS flacks and cheerleaders on TV give about one sentence of credit to Jan and an hour of
credit to Lance. the coverage is so biased that it's disgusting at times.

Without Lance there would be no coverage.

I take it you mean coverage in the US - one of the few good things about rbr is that participants
usually reckognise there is a world outside of you national boundaries.

Regards! Stephen

David Ryan said:

Mapei81 said:

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Ullrich, I meant Ullrich was brilliant today!

Not that we would know that if we were listening to the OLN gang. Even when Lance is losing
time, it's still about him and how great his recovery was.

Well, to my eye it was a great recovery, but it wasn't as great a ride as Ullrich put in, and
Lance being able to hang on to the jersey by a thread isn't as great a story as Jan coming back
and proving he can ride with Lance in the mountains.

The USPS flacks and cheerleaders on TV give about one sentence of credit to Jan and an hour of
credit to Lance. the coverage is so biased that it's disgusting at times.

Without Lance there would be no coverage.

So this means, goodbye coverage for next year. Bummer for you guys.

Tim Mullin said:

"David Ryan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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Without Lance there would be no coverage.

So how do you explain the coverage of PR, the Giro and Vuelta?

Package deal by OLN enthusiasts subsidized by the TdF.

Steve McGinty said:

David Ryan said:

Mapei81 said:

>Ullrich, I meant Ullrich was brilliant today!

Not that we would know that if we were listening to the OLN gang. Even when Lance is losing
time, it's still about him and how great his recovery was.

Well, to my eye it was a great recovery, but it wasn't as great a ride as Ullrich put in, and
Lance being able to hang on to the jersey by a thread isn't as great a story as Jan coming back
and proving he can ride with Lance in the mountains.

The USPS flacks and cheerleaders on TV give about one sentence of credit to Jan and an hour of
credit to Lance. the coverage is so biased that it's disgusting at times.

Without Lance there would be no coverage.

I take it you mean coverage in the US - one of the few good things about rbr is that participants
usually reckognise there is a world outside of you national boundaries.

Regards! Stephen

Since the reference was to OLN coverage, I think that was a given.

"Steve McGinty" <stephenmcginty@ntlworld_DOT_.com> wrote in message
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David Ryan said:

Mapei81 said:

>Ullrich, I meant Ullrich was brilliant today!

Not that we would know that if we were listening to the OLN gang. Even

when

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Lance is losing time, it's still about him and how great his recovery

was.

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Well, to my eye it was a great recovery, but it wasn't as great a ride

as

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Ullrich put in, and Lance being able to hang on to the jersey by a

thread isn't

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as great a story as Jan coming back and proving he can ride with Lance

in the

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mountains.

The USPS flacks and cheerleaders on TV give about one sentence of

credit to Jan

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and an hour of credit to Lance. the coverage is so biased that it's

disgusting

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at times.

Without Lance there would be no coverage.

I take it you mean coverage in the US - one of the few good things about rbr is that participants
usually reckognise there is a world outside of you national boundaries.

If you followed the thread :-) they were talking about coverage in the US.

"David Ryan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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Tim Mullin said:

"David Ryan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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Without Lance there would be no coverage.

So how do you explain the coverage of PR, the Giro and Vuelta?

Package deal by OLN enthusiasts subsidized by the TdF.

I would assume that now the interest in the other GTs has been well established and therefore
continued coverage (after Lance is gone) is a reasonable assumption.

Mark McMaster said:

If you rear tire has significant traction, you are not near the limit of braking.

On a typical road bike, the limit of braking with the front brake alone is about 1/2 g. The limit
of braking with the rear brake along is about 1/4 g. Using both brakes, the limit is between
these two. At least when riding in a straight line, using both brakes can not produce maximum
stopping force.

Explain this: If you are anywhere near zero traction on the rear, what would keep you from pivoting
around and essentially crashing as Beloki did? Seems to me that was Beloki's problem, exacerbated by
the fact that the road surface where his back wheel was was slicker than the front producing
near-zero traction at less than tipping g's. Seems you must keep enough traction to keep from going
sideways in the rear.

Tim Mullin said:

"David Ryan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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Tim Mullin wrote:

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So how do you explain the coverage of PR, the Giro and Vuelta?

Package deal by OLN enthusiasts subsidized by the TdF.

How so? The broadcast rights for the GTs are owned and licensed by different groups. Who handled
the package deal, and what are the terms?

Doesn't matter how they get the rights, only how they sell the advertisers. Advertisers want
Armstrong - OLN sells him as 3 GT's.

"David Ryan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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Doesn't matter how they get the rights, only how they sell the advertisers. Advertisers want
Armstrong - OLN sells him as 3 GT's.

So let me get this right....people are only watching because of Armstrong. Armstrong doesn't do the
Vuelta, Giro, PR, or any of a number of races that OLN carries....so by your logic, people are not
watching these races. So, OLN is paying big bucks for races that nobody is watching, and sells those
non-existant ratings to advertisers who want Armstrong but aren"t getting

Tim Mullin said:

"David Ryan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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Doesn't matter how they get the rights, only how they sell the advertisers. Advertisers want
Armstrong - OLN sells him as 3 GT's.

So let me get this right....people are only watching because of Armstrong. Armstrong doesn't do
the Vuelta, Giro, PR, or any of a number of races that OLN carries....so by your logic, people are
not watching these races. So, OLN is paying big bucks for races that nobody is watching, and sells
those non-existant ratings to advertisers who want Armstrong but aren"t getting

No, that's why you put together a package. US advertisers wouldn't give much for the Giro or Vuelta
by themselves without Armstrong. OLN would do better with fishing and infomercials. OLN believes it
can get better ratings for the TdF as well as the others with a consistent niche lineup, and more
year-round subscribers than with the bread-and-butter Tour alone.

"David Ryan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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OLN would do better with fishing and infomercials. OLN believes it can get better ratings for the
TdF as well as the others with a consistent niche lineup, and more year-round subscribers than
with the bread-and-butter Tour alone.

I'm gonna go way out on a limb here and guess you have nothing do do with media production or
sales. Where do you get this [censored]? Did you actually read this somewhere, or ar you just talking out
of your ass?

"Peter Stone" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I take it you mean coverage in the US - one of the few good things about rbr is that
participants usually reckognise there is a world outside of you national boundaries.

If you followed the thread :-) they were talking about coverage in the US.

The true cycling fans here like bike racing in general, not just American riders.

You a TdF newb?

"Kurgan Gringioni" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Peter Stone" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I take it you mean coverage in the US - one of the few good things about rbr is that
participants usually reckognise there is a world outside of you national boundaries.

If you followed the thread :-) they were talking about coverage in the

US.

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The true cycling fans here like bike racing in general, not just American riders.

You a TdF newb?

Dunno. I followed cycling since late 80s. Your point is?

Why do people have to take things out of context?

In chronological order: Mapei: "OLN's coverage is biased" Ryan: "Without Lance there would be no
coverage" McGinty: "I take it you mean coverage in the US?"
me: "of courses". you: "True cycling fans .... You a TdF newb?"
mf: "Huh?"

" Tim Mullin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"David Ryan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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Doesn't matter how they get the rights, only how they sell the advertisers. Advertisers want
Armstrong - OLN sells him as 3 GT's.

So let me get this right....people are only watching because of Armstrong. Armstrong doesn't do
the Vuelta, Giro, PR, or any of a number of races

that

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OLN carries....so by your logic, people are not watching these races. So, OLN is paying big bucks
for races that nobody is watching, and sells those non-existant ratings to advertisers who want
Armstrong but aren"t getting

Shh! Don't tell them!

"David Ryan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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No, that's why you put together a package. US advertisers wouldn't give much for the Giro or
Vuelta by themselves without Armstrong. OLN would do better with fishing and infomercials. OLN
believes it can get better ratings for the TdF as well as the others with a consistent niche
lineup, and more year-round subscribers than with the bread-and-butter Tour alone.

What is your source?

Or are you writing that because it sounds logical to you?

Based upon your posts lately, I'll guess the latter.