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  1. I keep the tyres on my large wheeled bikes pumped to about 4 bar. Is
    this too much for smaller wheels? The use is mainly road, but with
    occasional frequentation of a very nasty off-road path with lots of mud
    and pointy stones. I'm paranoid about the puncture fairy because I have
    no local backup or support on this bike.

    Also, it has Schrader valves. I notice that even when I pump it to 4
    bar, it takes so long to unscrew the valve that the air-loss brings it
    back down to about 2 bar. The effect is more dramatic on the smaller
    wheels since proportionally more air is lost when unscrewing the valve.

    EFR
    Ile de France

  2. Elisa Francesca Roselli said:

    Also, it has Schrader valves. I notice that even when I pump it to 4
    bar, it takes so long to unscrew the valve that the air-loss brings it
    back down to about 2 bar. The effect is more dramatic on the smaller
    wheels since proportionally more air is lost when unscrewing the valve.

    Use a pump which pushes on rather than screws on. You can release it
    much quicker.

  3. In uk.rec.cycling Elisa Francesca Roselli <[email hidden]> wrote:
    : I keep the tyres on my large wheeled bikes pumped to about 4 bar. Is

    4 bar = 60 PSI. Not that high, but maybe ok depending on how wide the
    tyres are.

    Smaller wheels need to be pumped harder usually. Assuming the tyres
    are somewhere in the 25-28mm range I'd go for 6 bar and if they
    are in the 30mm+ range maybe 5 bar.

    : Also, it has Schrader valves. I notice that even when I pump it to 4
    : bar, it takes so long to unscrew the valve that the air-loss brings it

    What are you unscrewing here? For schrader values there is nothing to
    unsrew. Just rip the pump off.

    Arthur

    --
    Arthur Clune PGP/GPG Key: http://www.clune.org/pubkey.txt
    It is better to light a candle than to curse the darkness

  4. Elisa Francesca Roselli said:

    I keep the tyres on my large wheeled bikes pumped to about 4 bar. Is
    this too much for smaller wheels?

    Pressure depends on the tyres, not the wheels. The sidewall will almost
    always have recommended pressures moulded on the sidewall.

    Quoted message said:

    The use is mainly road, but with
    occasional frequentation of a very nasty off-road path with lots of mud
    and pointy stones. I'm paranoid about the puncture fairy because I have
    no local backup or support on this bike.

    For road use, use the maximum pressure stated on the sidewall of the
    tyre. 4 bar is okay for road use, but more may well be better. I run
    my Bromton's tyres at 6.9 bar, and that goes down a road with mud and
    pointy stones every time I use it.

    Off road, softer gives more suspension effect and a bit more grip and
    stability. Very high pressures tend to get jumped sideways on the rough
    stuff, which takes a bit of getting used to, but it doesn't mean you're
    particularly likely to get punctures.

    To avoid punctures, get tough tyres. Marathon Plus from Schwalbe are
    pretty bombproof. I use the standard Marathons which are still pretty
    tough. As for local support, fixing a puncture is really not a big
    deal, and it's worth learning to do it. Changing a tube (quicker than
    fixing the actual hole) takes a couple of minutes and the only tools you
    need are tyre levers and possibly some sort of spanner for the wheel
    nuts if you don't have quick release skewers. If you want to go touring
    (and I know you do) then it's bordering on the essential that you can do
    this yourself.
    There should be no need to be paranoid about basic maintenance, or
    you'll just remove a great deal of the pleasure you get from the bike.

    Quoted message said:

    Also, it has Schrader valves. I notice that even when I pump it to 4
    bar, it takes so long to unscrew the valve that the air-loss brings it
    back down to about 2 bar. The effect is more dramatic on the smaller
    wheels since proportionally more air is lost when unscrewing the valve.

    Different people get on better or worse with different valves. There's
    nothing intrinsically wrong with either, but many people find they're
    very happy with one and not so much with the other. In this vein, I
    much prefer prestas. To try them out, just get a 20" presta tube and
    change it for one on the bike, and that's a good excuse to practise
    changing tubes...

    Pete.
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    Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
    Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
    net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

  5. Elisa Francesca Roselli said:

    I keep the tyres on my large wheeled bikes pumped to about 4 bar. Is
    this too much for smaller wheels? The use is mainly road, but with
    occasional frequentation of a very nasty off-road path with lots of mud
    and pointy stones. I'm paranoid about the puncture fairy because I have
    no local backup or support on this bike.

    I would have thought that tyre pressure is more a function of tyre
    size and construction rather than wheel diameter. What are the tyres
    rated up to?

    Quoted message said:


    Also, it has Schrader valves. I notice that even when I pump it to 4
    bar, it takes so long to unscrew the valve that the air-loss brings it
    back down to about 2 bar. The effect is more dramatic on the smaller
    wheels since proportionally more air is lost when unscrewing the valve.

    Puzzled.

    With a Schrader valve all you do is unscrew the dust cap, put the pump
    on, pump, remove adaptor and replace dust cap. Any hiss of escaping
    air is going to be air on the pump side of the valve escaping, not
    from the tyre.

    Tim

  6. Tim Hall said:

    With a Schrader valve all you do is unscrew the dust cap, put the pump
    on, pump, remove adaptor and replace dust cap. Any hiss of escaping
    air is going to be air on the pump side of the valve escaping, not
    from the tyre.

    older style pumps comprised a plastic unit (with metal stem) into
    which screwed one of two flexible adaptors - One for presta/woods, the
    other for scraeder. The adaptors did indeed screw onto the valve and
    allowed air to escape whist unscrewing.

    e.g. http://www.sjscycles.com/store/7374zefal.jpg the bit sticking out
    of the right hand side is the flexible adaptor which stows inside the
    barrel.

  7. "Elisa Francesca Roselli" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    I keep the tyres on my large wheeled bikes pumped to about 4 bar.


    Is

    Quoted message said:

    this too much for smaller wheels?

    That's probably about right, but as everyone else has pointed out, it
    will tell you on the side of the tyre. With all those Americans
    ready to sue for any excuse, there will be a generous margin beyond
    the official number.

    Wheels do wear out, eventually, as brakes rub on the side and wear
    the rim away. Start checking at about 15-20 000 km. If the rim has
    worn thin, a highly pressurised tyre can bow the rim outwards, which
    you will be able to see. Lightweight racing wheels will wear out
    sooner than utility wheels, although the rims on a smaller wheel pass
    the brake blocks more often. Therefore, I suppose, other things
    being equal, a small wheel should wear out more quickly. Other
    things never are equal, though. Utility bikes are usually built for
    strength, even at the cost of extra weight, but with a racing bike,
    so long as the bike falls to pieces 10 metres after the finish line,
    and not 10 metres before, nobody cares. Anyway, if you are female,
    you are probably on the lighter side of average weights, and so will
    not be braking as hard, and wearing rims as hard, as most other
    people

    The use is mainly road, but with

    Quoted message said:

    occasional frequentation of a very nasty off-road path with lots of


    mud

    Quoted message said:

    and pointy stones. I'm paranoid about the puncture fairy because I


    have

    Quoted message said:

    no local backup or support on this bike.

    Also, it has Schrader valves. I notice that even when I pump it to


    4

    Quoted message said:

    bar, it takes so long to unscrew the valve that the air-loss brings


    it

    Quoted message said:

    back down to about 2 bar. The effect is more dramatic on the


    smaller

    Quoted message said:

    wheels since proportionally more air is lost when unscrewing the


    valve.

    Yes, again see everybody else's comments. The pumps which screw on
    are ***MUCH*** worse in every way than a good modern pump. If it's a
    pump with a rubber hose, replace the pump as soon as possible.
    Schraeder valves always tend to be more difficult to pump up than
    presta valves, because there is a spring in the valve, and you have
    to pump against some of the force of the spring, not just against the
    pressure of the air in the tyre.

    In theory there's a pin in the pump to hold the spring down, but it
    never seems to completely work. With some schreader valves you can
    take the valve out of the tyre, and then chop the valve in half with
    a pair of wire cutters, thus destroying the spring, and making the
    tyre much easier to pump. However, I'm not sure that you can do
    that with modern valves (I use presta valves, so I'm not really up to
    date on schraeders)

    Jeremy Parker

  8. In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    In uk.rec.cycling Elisa Francesca Roselli <[email hidden]> wrote:
    : Also, it has Schrader valves. I notice that even when I pump it to 4
    : bar, it takes so long to unscrew the valve that the air-loss brings it

    What are you unscrewing here? For schrader values there is nothing to
    unsrew. Just rip the pump off.

    Not necessarily. The pump may have one of those rubber tube extender
    thingies that used to slide in to the top of the pump when not in use.

    --
    Hywel http://kibo.org.uk/
    I do not eat quiche.

  9. On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 17:02:43 +0000, Tim Hall
    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    <[email hidden]>:

    Quoted message said:

    I would have thought that tyre pressure is more a function of tyre
    size and construction rather than wheel diameter. What are the tyres
    rated up to?

    Quite. My 20" (ETRTO 406) tyres are inflated to 120 PSI As Nature
    Intended.

    Guy
    --
    "then came ye chavves, theyre cartes girded wyth candels
    blue, and theyre beastes wyth straynge horn-lyke thyngs
    onn theyre arses that theyre fartes be herde from myles
    around." Chaucer, the Sheppey Tales

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