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  1. I finally bought a slow cooker. It's a 7-qt cooker, the All-Clad sold at
    Williams-Sonoma.

    In the instructions it says do not slow cook a whole chicken because the
    temperature doesn't get hot enough. The unit is rated at 330W but
    nowhere does it mention what the HI and LOW temps really are. Is this
    typical, not cooking whole chickens?

    I cooked a pot roast yesterday and the water and juices eventually came
    to a low simmer (on HI). Is this typical?

    The outside housing is stainless steel and in no time at all it was
    super hot!!! Is this typical?

    The glass cover isn't really a snug fit and has a little room to slide
    around. Is this typical?

    It did warn that the ceramic temp should match the food temp to prevent
    cracking. I imagine that's typical!

    Now I can try all those great slow cooker recipes! Just need an army to
    feed. It's a big pup!

    Andy
    Something else to clean

  2. On Sun 04 Sep 2005 05:01:05a, Andy wrote in rec.food.cooking:

    Quoted message said:

    I finally bought a slow cooker. It's a 7-qt cooker, the All-Clad sold at
    Williams-Sonoma.

    As slow cookers go, you could probably have done just as well with a Rival
    for a whole bunch less.

    Quoted message said:

    In the instructions it says do not slow cook a whole chicken because the
    temperature doesn't get hot enough. The unit is rated at 330W but
    nowhere does it mention what the HI and LOW temps really are. Is this
    typical, not cooking whole chickens?

    Oh, pshaw! Most slow cookers are rated low in wattage and most folks cook
    whole chickens in them. Someone probably knows, but I've never actually
    seen temps listed for the HI and LOW settings. I suspect that the LOW
    setting maintains just around simmering.

    Quoted message said:

    I cooked a pot roast yesterday and the water and juices eventually came
    to a low simmer (on HI). Is this typical?

    Yes.

    Quoted message said:

    The outside housing is stainles steel and in no time at all it was
    super hot!!! Is this typical?

    Yes.

    Quoted message said:

    The glass cover isn't really a snug fit and has a little room to slide
    around. Is this typical?

    Yes.

    Quoted message said:

    It did warn that the ceramic temp should match the food temp to prevent
    cracking. I imagine that's typical!

    Do you mean, for example, that both the food and the crock should be at the
    same temperature before you start cooking? Yes, that's a good idea, but I
    admit that I've taken things from the fridge and put right in the crock,
    then turned the cooker on. No problem.

    Quoted message said:

    Now I can try all those great slow cooker recipes! Just need an army to
    feed. It's a big pup!

    You don't have to fill it, but I would recommend filling it at least half
    way for best results.

    Quoted message said:

    Andy
    Something else to clean

    I have always put the crock and lid in the dishwasher. I use virtually
    nothing in the kitchen that is not dishwasherable (is that a word?), except
    my good knives, which I hand wash.

    Have fun!

    --
    Wayne Boatwright *¿*
    ____________________________________________

    My doctor told me to stop having intimate dinners for four,
    unless there are three other people.

  3. "Wayne Boatwright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Sun 04 Sep 2005 05:01:05a, Andy wrote in rec.food.cooking:

    Quoted message said:

    I finally bought a slow cooker. It's a 7-qt cooker, the All-Clad sold at
    Williams-Sonoma.

    As slow cookers go, you could probably have done just as well with a Rival
    for a whole bunch less.


    Yup, I own two Rivals. One is a 5 quart, the other a 7-1/2 quart oval. The
    third is just a no-name bitty little thing I mainly use for making hot dips.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    In the instructions it says do not slow cook a whole chicken because the
    temperature doesn't get hot enough. The unit is rated at 330W but
    nowhere does it mention what the HI and LOW temps really are. Is this
    typical, not cooking whole chickens?

    Oh, pshaw! Most slow cookers are rated low in wattage and most folks cook
    whole chickens in them. Someone probably knows, but I've never actually
    seen temps listed for the HI and LOW settings. I suspect that the LOW
    setting maintains just around simmering.


    Any slow cooker I've ever had came with a recipe booklet and one of the
    first things mentioned in each is a whole chicken. Just be prepared for it
    to stew in its own juices (literally). If you want crispy chicken or
    "roasted" chicken, go to KFC 😉 Speaking of which, a slow cooker is great
    for making chicken stew!

    The HI and LOW thing is basically how long do you want to cook it? LOW 8-10
    hours or HI 4-6 hours? My larger oval cooker also has a "keep warm" setting
    which is great in pot luck situations at the office. It also came with a
    thermal carry case and heavy stretchy straps to anchor the lid down when
    transporting.

    Ever have one of those "darn, I should have patented this" ideas? I'd been
    using big rubber bands to secure the lid down on my 20 year old slow cooker
    (stretch across the lid and then around the cooker handles) for years before
    I bought the new one. They just made the rubber bands "prettier" 😉

    Jill

  4. On Sun 04 Sep 2005 05:28:03a, jmcquown wrote in rec.food.cooking:

    Quoted message said:

    Ever have one of those "darn, I should have patented this" ideas? I'd
    been using big rubber bands to secure the lid down on my 20 year old
    slow cooker (stretch across the lid and then around the cooker handles)
    for years before I bought the new one. They just made the rubber bands
    "prettier" 😉

    And they made money on it! More's the pity you didn't apply for a patent.
    Same thing with "bungy" cords.

    --
    Wayne Boatwright *¿*
    ____________________________________________

    My doctor told me to stop having intimate dinners for four,
    unless there are three other people.

  5. Andy said:

    Now I can try all those great slow cooker recipes! Just need an army to
    feed. It's a big pup!

    No you don't. I have a 7 quart slow cooker. I routinely do things like
    stews and chili in it. We make enough to freeze for quick meals later
    on in the work week.

    Sandi

  6. Wayne Boatwright said:

    On Sun 04 Sep 2005 05:01:05a, Andy wrote in rec.food.cooking:

    Quoted message said:

    I finally bought a slow cooker. It's a 7-qt cooker, the All-Clad sold
    at Williams-Sonoma.

    As slow cookers go, you could probably have done just as well with a
    Rival for a whole bunch less.

    I know. I went to Target and saw some Rivals and others but the housings
    were cheap-o plastics and flimsy. As hot as my cooker got, I pictured
    them melting.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    In the instructions it says do not slow cook a whole chicken because
    the temperature doesn't get hot enough. The unit is rated at 330W but
    nowhere does it mention what the HI and LOW temps really are. Is this
    typical, not cooking whole chickens?

    Oh, pshaw! Most slow cookers are rated low in wattage and most folks
    cook whole chickens in them. Someone probably knows, but I've never
    actually seen temps listed for the HI and LOW settings. I suspect
    that the LOW setting maintains just around simmering.

    I'll try a small chicken and get some temp readings at some point. I
    don't know how it'll look when finished. My oven roasted birds always
    look great!

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Now I can try all those great slow cooker recipes! Just need an army
    to feed. It's a big pup!

    You don't have to fill it, but I would recommend filling it at least
    half way for best results.

    I never cooked enough to freeze stuff but now it's a great idea.

    Quoted message said:

    Have fun!

    Thanks for the advice and the funny sig! 🙂

    Andy

  7. Andy at q wrote on 9/4/05 8:01 AM:

    Quoted message said:

    I finally bought a slow cooker. It's a 7-qt cooker, the All-Clad sold at
    Williams-Sonoma.

    7 qt is a little big for a small family--don't know what your situation
    is--but it will come in handy. Just make sure it's always at least half
    full. You don't want it more than 3/4 full, anyway.

    Quoted message said:

    In the instructions it says do not slow cook a whole chicken because the
    temperature doesn't get hot enough. The unit is rated at 330W but
    nowhere does it mention what the HI and LOW temps really are. Is this
    typical, not cooking whole chickens?

    Yes, it is. You can make small birds in a crock pot, like a cornish game
    hen. I wouldn't go bigger than a 3-3.5 lb broiler in a crock pot. And
    DEFINITELY not stuffed! It's not that the temp doesn't get hot enough--it's
    that the temp doesn't get hot enough QUICK ENOUGH to avoid the danger zone
    for salmonella and other nasties that seem to like chicken. The slow
    heating takes time to penetrate the entire bird, and the center of the bird
    winds up being "lukewarm" (the perfect environment for bacteria) for an
    extended period of time. And especially in a large slow cooker, the food
    will be farther from the sides, where the heating elements are, so it will
    take longer for the heat to penetrate all the way through than it would in,
    say, a 3.5 quart slow cooker.

    If the booklet says don't do it, I wouldn't. It might be ok.
    But what if it turns out it's not? Is food poisoning one of those things you
    really want to experience?

    Chicken parts are a different matter. They are acceptable in the slow
    cooker (but they don't need as long as, say, a chuck roast or a pork
    shoulder.) Follow the guidelines in the booklet that came with the
    slow-cooker. You just might want to brown the pieces before dumping them
    into the pot.

    You usually don't want to skip the browning step when using a slow-cooker.
    The slow-cooker is really a simmering pot....and if you don't brown your
    meat in a pan on the stove-top, you will wind up with water-logged meat.

    Quoted message said:


    I cooked a pot roast yesterday and the water and juices eventually came
    to a low simmer (on HI). Is this typical?

    The outside housing is stainless steel and in no time at all it was
    super hot!!! Is this typical?

    I dunno. I have cheaper slow-cookers (West Bend and Hamilton Beach brands,
    one less than $15, one less than $25) and I imagine their housing is
    aluminum. It gets hot, yes. Super hot? Not sure if I'd characterize it as
    super-hot but yeah, it gets hot. It's a cooking pot. It's gonna get hot!
    Also, the heating elements are in the walls of the housing, the coils wrap
    around the crock and that's how it cooks. So yeah, don't worry about that.
    Just keep plastic bags and little fingers away from it when it's on.

    Quoted message said:


    The glass cover isn't really a snug fit and has a little room to slide
    around. Is this typical?

    Yes. That's by design, so there is a slight amount of evaporation from the
    pot during simmering. If it were a snug fit, you'd really be steaming the
    food.

    Quoted message said:

    It did warn that the ceramic temp should match the food temp to prevent
    cracking. I imagine that's typical!

    Physics. Yeah, perfectly normal. There's wiggle room there, though. If you
    put ICY cold food into a room temp crock, then turn on the pot, it won't
    crack. Don't do that for another reason though--see my first point. Really
    cold food will take longer to reach a safe temp and you could wind up with a
    food-poisoning incubator. You don't want that! What you want to avoid is
    extremes of temp...NEVER pre-heat the crock pot, or turn it on without any
    food in it. This can cause cracking--putting COLD food into a HOT crock.
    Same goes for any crockery cookware. (Those clay bakers, for example) It's
    just simple physics.

    To avoid cracking, just put warm from the skillet or room temp ingredients
    into a room-temp crock, and switch it on immediately.

    Quoted message said:


    Now I can try all those great slow cooker recipes! Just need an army to
    feed. It's a big pup!

    Invest in some Gladware containers and freeze the leftovers in meal-sized
    portions. This will come in very handy when you come home from work tired
    and don't feel like cooking but want a home-cooked meal. Voila, instant
    pot-roast! Seriously...most foods that work well in the slow-cooker freeze
    well, also. Just be sure to label the containers with contents and date, and
    use them up within 3 months. Unless you have a vacuum sealer. Then stick the
    filled containers (bottoms only) into a vacuum sealer bag, suck out all the
    air, seal, label and those will be able to be kept months longer.

    Quoted message said:


    Andy
    Something else to clean

    Slow cookers are great but you have to know how to use them.

    You don't need special recipes, you can use your favorite recipes, but keep
    in mind a couple points:

    1. There is no browning in a slow-cooker, so always pre-brown anything you
    want to benefit from that nice "caramelized" flavor. The exception to this
    is you can make a meatloaf in a slow-cooker and somehow it does develop
    crust. It's not brown, really, but it is crust, and it's delicious. Just
    make sure it touches the sides of the pot. Also, it's perfect for making
    caramelized onions.

    2. There is very little evaporation, so cut way down on the liquid in the
    recipe. Never more than 8 ounces of liquid (including thick liquids like
    tomato sauce, barbecue sauce, honey, ketchup, etc) Keep in mind, water from
    the meats and veggies will also come out in the cooking process, which adds
    to the liquid in the pot. So try to use flavorful cooking liquids, like
    broth, wine, etc. It will get diluted from the natural juices of the foods
    you are cooking anyway.

    Good luck.
    ---
    Love like you've never been hurt
    Live like there's no tomorrow
    And dance like there's nobody watching

  8. Andy said:

    I finally bought a slow cooker. It's a 7-qt cooker, the All-Clad sold at
    Williams-Sonoma.

    In the instructions it says do not slow cook a whole chicken because the
    temperature doesn't get hot enough. The unit is rated at 330W but
    nowhere does it mention what the HI and LOW temps really are. Is this
    typical, not cooking whole chickens?

    I suspect that is just the response to slow down Dewey, Cheatum & Howe
    who are just waiting to enrich themselves with a big suit if someone
    were to get sick and claim that the instructions omitted some
    prohibition. I imagine there is also a prohibition about using the
    device while swimming and not to place small (live) animals in it.

    A crockpot isn't temperature regulated so there is no concept of hi or
    lo temperatures. The hi an low simply refers to the rate at which heat
    is added.

    Quoted message said:


    I cooked a pot roast yesterday and the water and juices eventually came
    to a low simmer (on HI). Is this typical?

    The outside housing is stainless steel and in no time at all it was
    super hot!!! Is this typical?

    The glass cover isn't really a snug fit and has a little room to slide
    around. Is this typical?

    It did warn that the ceramic temp should match the food temp to prevent
    cracking. I imagine that's typical!

    Now I can try all those great slow cooker recipes! Just need an army to
    feed. It's a big pup!

    Andy
    Something else to clean

  9. Sheryl Rosen wrote:

    <Great info snipped>

    Quoted message said:

    Good luck.

    Sheryl,

    Thanks for all the great info!

    Do you write user manuals in your spare time?? --JUST KIDDING!--

    All the best,

    Andy

  10. Wayne Boatwright wrote on 04 Sep 2005 in rec.food.cooking

    Quoted message said:

    Do you mean, for example, that both the food and the crock should be
    at the same temperature before you start cooking? Yes, that's a
    good idea, but I admit that I've taken things from the fridge and
    put right in the crock, then turned the cooker on. No problem.

    Hell, I've thrown in frozen stuff, and I have a Rival. I used to have the
    fancy timer Rival as well, but I didn't like the way the timer
    worked...It only allowed you to select the cooking duration after you set
    the hi/low temp setting. So putting in frozen stuff and selecting a
    delayed start time wasn't feasible.

    --
    The eyes are the mirrors....
    But the ears...Ah the ears.
    The ears keep the hat up.

  11. Andy said:
    Wayne Boatwright said:

    On Sun 04 Sep 2005 05:01:05a, Andy wrote in rec.food.cooking:

    Quoted message said:

    I finally bought a slow cooker. It's a 7-qt cooker, the All-Clad
    sold at Williams-Sonoma.

    As slow cookers go, you could probably have done just as well with a
    Rival for a whole bunch less.

    I know. I went to Target and saw some Rivals and others but the
    housings were cheap-o plastics and flimsy. As hot as my cooker got, I
    pictured them melting.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    In the instructions it says do not slow cook a whole chicken because
    the temperature doesn't get hot enough. The unit is rated at 330W
    but nowhere does it mention what the HI and LOW temps really are.
    Is this typical, not cooking whole chickens?

    Oh, pshaw! Most slow cookers are rated low in wattage and most folks
    cook whole chickens in them. Someone probably knows, but I've never
    actually seen temps listed for the HI and LOW settings. I suspect
    that the LOW setting maintains just around simmering.

    I'll try a small chicken and get some temp readings at some point. I
    don't know how it'll look when finished. My oven roasted birds always
    look great!


    Do NOT expect a slow-cooked chicken to resemble anything like an oven
    roasted bird.

    Jill

  12. "Mr Libido Incognito" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Wayne Boatwright wrote on 04 Sep 2005 in rec.food.cooking

    Quoted message said:

    Do you mean, for example, that both the food and the crock should be
    at the same temperature before you start cooking? Yes, that's a
    good idea, but I admit that I've taken things from the fridge and
    put right in the crock, then turned the cooker on. No problem.

    Hell, I've thrown in frozen stuff, and I have a Rival. I used to have
    the
    fancy timer Rival as well, but I didn't like the way the timer
    worked...It only allowed you to select the cooking duration after you
    set
    the hi/low temp setting. So putting in frozen stuff and selecting a
    delayed start time wasn't feasible.

    My crock pot may run hotter than those here but I deliberately put
    frozen joints or chicken into my crock pot before I leave for work in
    the morning. If I put unfrozen then the meat is over cooked when I get
    home.

    Ophelia

  13. Wayne Boatwright wrote:

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Andy
    Something else to clean

    I have always put the crock and lid in the dishwasher. I use virtually
    nothing in the kitchen that is not dishwasherable (is that a word?), except
    my good knives, which I hand wash.

    Andy, I put the crock and lid in the dishwasher too. Wayne, I don't put
    my pots and pans or any non-stick pans in the dishwasher. My pots and
    one fry pan are stainless steel with a polished finish. I find the
    dishwasher leaves spots that I don't like and sometimes there is a film
    left on the inside. I treat my non-stick frypans and wok with kid
    gloves. IME the dishwasher not only leaves spots on the non-stick
    surface but lessens the lifespan of the non-stick surface. My good
    knives are handwashed too.

    Quoted message said:


    Have fun!

  14. ~patches~ said:

    Wayne Boatwright wrote:

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Andy
    Something else to clean

    I have always put the crock and lid in the dishwasher. I use
    virtually nothing in the kitchen that is not dishwasherable (is that
    a word?), except my good knives, which I hand wash.

    Andy, I put the crock and lid in the dishwasher too. Wayne, I don't
    put my pots and pans or any non-stick pans in the dishwasher. My pots
    and one fry pan are stainless steel with a polished finish. I find
    the dishwasher leaves spots that I don't like and sometimes there is a
    film left on the inside. I treat my non-stick frypans and wok with
    kid gloves. IME the dishwasher not only leaves spots on the non-stick
    surface but lessens the lifespan of the non-stick surface. My good
    knives are handwashed too.

    Quoted message said:


    Have fun!

    ~patches~,

    The crock is so large that it's a real dishwasher hog, so I soaked it
    and washed it in the sink.

    I handwash my good knife 😉 and wood spatula and spoons.

    Andy

  15. On Tue 06 Sep 2005 05:46:07a, ~patches~ wrote in rec.food.cooking:

    Quoted message said:

    Wayne Boatwright wrote:

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Andy
    Something else to clean

    I have always put the crock and lid in the dishwasher. I use virtually
    nothing in the kitchen that is not dishwasherable (is that a word?),
    except my good knives, which I hand wash.

    Andy, I put the crock and lid in the dishwasher too. Wayne, I don't put
    my pots and pans or any non-stick pans in the dishwasher. My pots and
    one fry pan are stainless steel with a polished finish. I find the
    dishwasher leaves spots that I don't like and sometimes there is a film
    left on the inside. I treat my non-stick frypans and wok with kid
    gloves. IME the dishwasher not only leaves spots on the non-stick
    surface but lessens the lifespan of the non-stick surface. My good
    knives are handwashed too.

    I don't like dishwasher spotting either, but luckily mine rarely does it.
    I also have polished SS pots, well the interior is a brushed finish, but
    they come out spot free 99% of the time. I only own one non-stick pan and
    I've had it for years. When I take it out of the dishwasher, I rub a tiny
    bit of oil on the non-stick coating. As long as nothing is actually
    touching the nonstick surface, it seems to fare well in the DW.

    --
    Wayne Boatwright *¿*
    ____________________________________________

    My doctor told me to stop having intimate dinners for four,
    unless there are three other people.

  16. Andy said:
    ~patches~ said:

    Wayne Boatwright wrote:

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    >Andy
    >Something else to clean

    I have always put the crock and lid in the dishwasher. I use
    virtually nothing in the kitchen that is not dishwasherable (is that
    a word?), except my good knives, which I hand wash.

    Andy, I put the crock and lid in the dishwasher too. Wayne, I don't
    put my pots and pans or any non-stick pans in the dishwasher. My pots
    and one fry pan are stainless steel with a polished finish. I find
    the dishwasher leaves spots that I don't like and sometimes there is a
    film left on the inside. I treat my non-stick frypans and wok with
    kid gloves. IME the dishwasher not only leaves spots on the non-stick
    surface but lessens the lifespan of the non-stick surface. My good
    knives are handwashed too.

    Quoted message said:

    Have fun!

    ~patches~,

    The crock is so large that it's a real dishwasher hog, so I soaked it
    and washed it in the sink.

    Did you get one of the oval style crockpots? I'm in the market for a
    new one since I'm still using the old Rival bought before we had kids.
    The cord accidently hit one of the stove burners and I won't trust it if
    I'm not home. I'm leaning towards the oval style with a timer.

    Quoted message said:


    I handwash my good knife 😉 and wood spatula and spoons.

    Andy

  17. Wayne Boatwright said:

    On Tue 06 Sep 2005 05:46:07a, ~patches~ wrote in rec.food.cooking:

    Quoted message said:

    Wayne Boatwright wrote:

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    >Andy
    >Something else to clean

    I have always put the crock and lid in the dishwasher. I use virtually
    nothing in the kitchen that is not dishwasherable (is that a word?),
    except my good knives, which I hand wash.

    Andy, I put the crock and lid in the dishwasher too. Wayne, I don't put
    my pots and pans or any non-stick pans in the dishwasher. My pots and
    one fry pan are stainless steel with a polished finish. I find the
    dishwasher leaves spots that I don't like and sometimes there is a film
    left on the inside. I treat my non-stick frypans and wok with kid
    gloves. IME the dishwasher not only leaves spots on the non-stick
    surface but lessens the lifespan of the non-stick surface. My good
    knives are handwashed too.

    I don't like dishwasher spotting either, but luckily mine rarely does it.
    I also have polished SS pots, well the interior is a brushed finish, but
    they come out spot free 99% of the time. I only own one non-stick pan and
    I've had it for years. When I take it out of the dishwasher, I rub a tiny
    bit of oil on the non-stick coating. As long as nothing is actually
    touching the nonstick surface, it seems to fare well in the DW.


    I'm not sure what is causing the spotting. We have soft water and I use
    Electrosol Gel with Jet Dry Action. For some reason my pots don't like
    the dishwasher. Fussy little buggers, I tell you! Thanks for the tip
    of rubbing a little oil onto the non-stick coating. I'll give it a try.

  18. "~patches~" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Andy said:
    ~patches~ said:

    Wayne Boatwright wrote:

    <snip>

    >>Andy
    >>Something else to clean
    >
    >
    >I have always put the crock and lid in the dishwasher. I use
    >virtually nothing in the kitchen that is not dishwasherable (is that
    >a word?), except my good knives, which I hand wash.

    Andy, I put the crock and lid in the dishwasher too. Wayne, I don't
    put my pots and pans or any non-stick pans in the dishwasher. My pots
    and one fry pan are stainless steel with a polished finish. I find
    the dishwasher leaves spots that I don't like and sometimes there is a
    film left on the inside. I treat my non-stick frypans and wok with
    kid gloves. IME the dishwasher not only leaves spots on the non-stick
    surface but lessens the lifespan of the non-stick surface. My good
    knives are handwashed too.

    >Have fun!

    ~patches~,

    The crock is so large that it's a real dishwasher hog, so I soaked it and
    washed it in the sink.

    Did you get one of the oval style crockpots? I'm in the market for a new
    one since I'm still using the old Rival bought before we had kids. The
    cord accidently hit one of the stove burners and I won't trust it if I'm
    not home. I'm leaning towards the oval style with a timer.

    Quoted message said:


    I handwash my good knife 😉 and wood spatula and spoons.

    Andy

    I stopped using wooden utensils to cook because I felt that the soap
    couldn't be rinsed off before it soaked into the wood.
    Today I was wondering about this same concept when I questioned using bamboo
    steamers and how they should be cleaned - with soap, possibly?. Repeating
    myself, but I've read not to wash vegetables with soap because if they're
    not rinsed enough, it can be harmful, cause a lot of stomach problems. I'm
    assuming the same goes with leaving soap on utensils.
    Just a thought,
    Dee Dee

  19. On Tue 06 Sep 2005 12:59:35p, ~patches~ wrote in rec.food.cooking:

    Quoted message said:

    I'm not sure what is causing the spotting. We have soft water and I use
    Electrosol Gel with Jet Dry Action. For some reason my pots don't like
    the dishwasher. Fussy little buggers, I tell you! Thanks for the tip
    of rubbing a little oil onto the non-stick coating. I'll give it a try.

    There are a lot of variables; water, detergent, different metals (not all
    SS is the same), and the DW itself.

    We have very hard water and, since we're renting, no option of installing a
    softener. At one point I thought the situation was hopeless, as we were
    getting spotting on almost everything. Our SS flatware was even becoming
    discolored. I tried most of the dishwasher products available, and finally
    hit on Electrasol Tablets with Jet-Dry PowerBall. The package recommended
    to continue using rinse agent in the dispenser if the water was very hard.
    All of this was an improvement, but I still was left with the result of
    previous washings; cloudy glassware, not so shiny SS. Then I found Lemi-
    Shine. That stuff cleared up all the problems. Now, about every 10th load,
    I fill the closed up with Lemi-Shine and drop a tablet in the tub.

    If you have soft water, you shouldn't need the Lemi-Shine, but you might
    want to try the Electrasol Tablets with Jet-Dry Powerball. I found it to
    be superior over the jel.

    --
    Wayne Boatwright *¿*
    ____________________________________________

    My doctor told me to stop having intimate dinners for four,
    unless there are three other people.

  20. ~patches~ said:
    Quoted message said:

    ~patches~,

    The crock is so large that it's a real dishwasher hog, so I soaked it
    and washed it in the sink.

    Did you get one of the oval style crockpots? I'm in the market for a
    new one since I'm still using the old Rival bought before we had kids.
    The cord accidently hit one of the stove burners and I won't trust it


    if

    Quoted message said:

    I'm not home. I'm leaning towards the oval style with a timer.

    ~patches~,

    I did buy the oval shaped cooker. I bought the pricey all-clad that
    williams-sonoma sells.

    It's got a timer, but not very advanced. I'd like to be able to program
    it HI for 2 hours then LOW for 4 hours, then WARM. Some recipes call for
    this kind of timing. [sigh]

    All the best,

    Andy

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