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  1. CHIMERA:
    A special kind of mosaicism in which an individual or tissue contains a
    mix of cells derived from two genetically different individuals. The
    blood of a patient who had a transfusion from another individual would
    be chimeric for example.

    More in this article at...

    http://anthro.palomar.edu/blood/ABO_system.htm

    "A small number of people have two different ABO blood types.  They are
    not simply AB codominant.  Apparently, most of these blood chimera
    individuals shared a blood supply with their non-identical twin before
    birth.  In some cases, people are unaware that they had a twin because
    he or she died early in gestation and was spontaneously aborted.  As
    many as 8% of non-identical twins may have chimeric blood.  Some people
    are microchimeric--they have a small amount of blood of a different
    type in their system that has persisted from a blood transfusion or
    passed across the placental barrier from their mother before birth. 
    Likewise, fetal blood can pass into a mother's system.  This fact has
    led some researchers to suggest that the significantly higher frequency
    of autoimmune disorders in women is a result of the presence of foreign
    white blood cells that had come from their unborn children during
    pregnancy."

    And another article of some interest...

    http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_838312.html?menu=news.scienceanddis
    covery.genetics

    Does the new testing method account for this possibility?

    -WG

  2. warren <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    CHIMERA:
    A special kind of mosaicism in which an individual or tissue contains a
    mix of cells derived from two genetically different individuals. The
    blood of a patient who had a transfusion from another individual would
    be chimeric for example.

    More in this article at...

    http://anthro.palomar.edu/blood/ABO_system.htm

    "A small number of people have two different ABO blood types.  They are
    not simply AB codominant.  Apparently, most of these blood chimera
    individuals shared a blood supply with their non-identical twin before
    birth.  In some cases, people are unaware that they had a twin because
    he or she died early in gestation and was spontaneously aborted.  As
    many as 8% of non-identical twins may have chimeric blood.  Some people
    are microchimeric--they have a small amount of blood of a different
    type in their system that has persisted from a blood transfusion or
    passed across the placental barrier from their mother before birth. 
    Likewise, fetal blood can pass into a mother's system.  This fact has
    led some researchers to suggest that the significantly higher frequency
    of autoimmune disorders in women is a result of the presence of foreign
    white blood cells that had come from their unborn children during
    pregnancy."

    And another article of some interest...

    http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_838312.html?menu=news.scienceanddis
    covery.genetics

    Does the new testing method account for this possibility?

    -WG

    There was a CSI Las Vegas episode about this. Strange [censored].

  3. warren said:

    CHIMERA:
    A special kind of mosaicism in which an individual or tissue contains a
    mix of cells derived from two genetically different individuals. The
    blood of a patient who had a transfusion from another individual would
    be chimeric for example.

    More in this article at...

    http://anthro.palomar.edu/blood/ABO_system.htm

    "A small number of people have two different ABO blood types. They are
    not simply AB codominant. Apparently, most of these blood chimera
    individuals shared a blood supply with their non-identical twin before
    birth. In some cases, people are unaware that they had a twin because
    he or she died early in gestation and was spontaneously aborted. As
    many as 8% of non-identical twins may have chimeric blood. Some people
    are microchimeric--they have a small amount of blood of a different
    type in their system that has persisted from a blood transfusion or
    passed across the placental barrier from their mother before birth.
    Likewise, fetal blood can pass into a mother's system. This fact has
    led some researchers to suggest that the significantly higher frequency
    of autoimmune disorders in women is a result of the presence of foreign
    white blood cells that had come from their unborn children during
    pregnancy."

    And another article of some interest...

    http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_838312.html?menu=news.scienceanddis
    covery.genetics

    Thanks!

    Quoted message said:


    Does the new testing method account for this possibility?

    I bet it doesn't. If Tyler is innocent, he will continue to fail this
    test. If he did blood dope, he'll need to keep doing it, with the same
    donor, in order to convince anyone that he is telling the truth.

    If he is microchimeric from an unborn twin, or from his mother, they
    should be able to do DNA testing on his reticulocytes and lymphocytes to
    show it. The DNA tests would look different than if his blood were
    chimeric due to an honest, surgically related transfusion, where the
    donor is usually unknown.

  4. gym gravity said:

    If Tyler is innocent, he will continue to fail this test.

    They did also noticed "irregularities" consistent with the Olympic and
    Vuelta test during Romandie earlier this year. Apparently he was
    notified of the test results by a letter from the UCI.

  5. Another CSI fan I see...I just saw this episode the other night. The
    dude raped a chick and they tested and he didn't match. But Gus
    got'em in the end! I think CSI Miami is laim, though.

    Now back to Tyler. I doubt Tyler is a Chimera.

    CH
    [email hidden] (Andrew Martin) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    warren <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    CHIMERA:
    A special kind of mosaicism in which an individual or tissue contains a
    mix of cells derived from two genetically different individuals. The
    blood of a patient who had a transfusion from another individual would
    be chimeric for example.

    More in this article at...

    http://anthro.palomar.edu/blood/ABO_system.htm

    "A small number of people have two different ABO blood types. They are
    not simply AB codominant. Apparently, most of these blood chimera
    individuals shared a blood supply with their non-identical twin before
    birth. In some cases, people are unaware that they had a twin because
    he or she died early in gestation and was spontaneously aborted. As
    many as 8% of non-identical twins may have chimeric blood. Some people
    are microchimeric--they have a small amount of blood of a different
    type in their system that has persisted from a blood transfusion or
    passed across the placental barrier from their mother before birth.
    Likewise, fetal blood can pass into a mother's system. This fact has
    led some researchers to suggest that the significantly higher frequency
    of autoimmune disorders in women is a result of the presence of foreign
    white blood cells that had come from their unborn children during
    pregnancy."

    And another article of some interest...

    http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_838312.html?menu=news.scienceanddis
    covery.genetics

    Does the new testing method account for this possibility?

    -WG

    There was a CSI Las Vegas episode about this. Strange [censored].

  6. [email hidden] (chris) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Another CSI fan I see...I just saw this episode the other night. The
    dude raped a chick and they tested and he didn't match. But Gus
    got'em in the end! I think CSI Miami is laim, though.

    Now back to Tyler. I doubt Tyler is a Chimera.

    CH

    Yeah, I've taken Tyler's picture and didn't see all those zebra
    stripes. I've even seen pics of his back from when he fell off
    (again) in the tour. Didn't notice anything there.

    -a
    (any CSI show where they drive HUMMERs is dumb)

  7. Ewoud Dronkert said:
    gym gravity said:

    If Tyler is innocent, he will continue to fail this test.

    They did also noticed "irregularities" consistent with the Olympic and
    Vuelta test during Romandie earlier this year. Apparently he was
    notified of the test results by a letter from the UCI.

    I wonder about the Tour though. And I wonder if the irregularities in
    the Romandie blood are the SAME as those of the Olympic and Vuelta.

  8. gym gravity said:

    And I wonder if the irregularities in
    the Romandie blood are the SAME as those of the Olympic and Vuelta.

    Don't know. More details available all the time; what I wrote I heard
    yesterday early in the afternoon (EST) on tv.

  9. This may explain why as of now Phonak as announced the "B" test results and the IOC "B" test was negative while the Vuelta "B" test was positive. Maybe or maybe not

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