tyler and fausto

In article <[email hidden]>, "Shawn Jelley"

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does anyone notice the similarites between fausto coppi and tyler hamilton, other than their
respective palmares. i am speaking in reference to their injury woes, coppi was 'made of glass' as
some would say, the man was hurt badly many times when he fell. undoubtedly, had coppi not be
injured on so many occasions, his palmares certainly would have been greater in size. hamilton, on
the other hand, especially the last few times he has crashed during races, has ended up getting
the worst of it. fractures of the collarbone, hairline fractures here and here, it surely doesn't
help that he probably doesn't weight a gram over 65 kilos. surely big, powerful Thor Hushovd would
come out of such a crash better than any of the small super-climbers would.

i do applaud tyler for continuing on with the race, he shows the mark of a true champion, someone
to be admired. but in comparison to his giro injury, which if i recall correctly happend around
the halfway mark of the race, does he expect to ride 17 more stages with a collarbone broken in
not one, but two places ? i know of only one other rider who finished a Grand Tour
w/ a broken collarbone, that rider was Niklas Axelsson who rode for 'Navigare' at the time back in
97 or 98 (?) i think. mr. axelsson has since been suspended for doping but that is another
story. i believe that when axelsson was injured he was sitting top 5 or so on GC, but being
that his injury happend near the end of the race he only dropped something like 5-7 places on
GC because the stages were relatively flat.

in summation, it seems possible to ride w/ a broken collarbone in a grand tour, but this early in
a GT ? riding out of the saddle must be nearly out of the question because of the stress it places
on the arms, so attacking and sudden accelerations are out, not to mention the stringent
anti-doping regs that forbid the use of even an anti-inflammatory shot to the cheek to relieve the
swelling from a bee sting. basically, is it worth finishing in 100th place just to finish when you
might have gone for the overall ? surely he could reach good form again by the vuelta if he took
extreme care of himself between now and then, but tyler is tyler, its his choice not mine, not
even Riis' apparently.

The story in today's Cyclingnews implied that he is trying to stick it out through the TTT...

"A courageous Tyler Hamilton (CSC) finished Stage 2 in 100th, in the middle of the main peloton, but
he was obviously in pain from the
204.5km ride with a fractured clavicle. Hamilton headed into the CSC team bus without talking to
the media. The tough Man from Marblehead once again demonstrated just how much he can suffer,
but the question remains for how long? Post stage, CSC team spokesman Brian Nygaard told
Cyclingnews that "Tyler was in a lot of pain today; he's taking it day by day and hopes to stay
for the team time trial (Wednesday) and do a good job to pay back Carlos Sastre, who helped him
so much this spring."

See <http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2003/tour03/?id=results/stage2> for more good stuff...

KP

P.S. He finished ahead of 96 others today!

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does he expect to ride 17 more stages with a collarbone broken in not one,

but two places ?<<

Latest word is Tyler's start today was so he could try and stay in for the TTT on Wed. He should be
able to do OK in that event (which will help Sastre's GC chances) but then will likely drop out.
Love to see him tough it out but even he knows what it's going to feel like on the climbs in a week.
He's going to be getting more press than the stage winners a long as he stays in the Tour which is a
goldmine for the teams sponsors. Remember this is a business as well as a sport. I think he will be
well rewarded.

i had not read that just yet, but it is good that he is willing help out a teammate during such dire
straits. good luck carlos.

It is hard to tell if he is in the wrong place a lot or does not know how to fall. I would
think that his bone density or any other health factor would be known, but probably only to him
and the team.

Notice that Ullrich was the only GC contender (that I noticed) that was strong enough to stay at the
head of the group and in front of the crash. I have not seen any weakness in him this year at all.
He started racing a tad late (his suspension ended March 23) but many other riders focused on the
Tour started around the same time by choice. This could simply be the first year the he and his team
have done a good job at managing expectations. I mean, yeah, he missed the bulk of last year, but
how much will that affect him? Perhaps a lot less than anyone epxected. USPS will likely beat
Bianchi in the TTT and that means Lance will have time checks on Ullrich for the first big ITT. Are
there any mountain stages before the ITT? I was assuming the typical pattern of stages but now I
remembered that it is not a typical year.

"Shawn Jelley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

does anyone notice the similarites between fausto coppi and tyler

hamilton,

Quoted message said:

other than their respective palmares. i am speaking in reference to their injury woes, coppi was
'made of glass' as some would say, the man was hurt badly many times when he fell. undoubtedly,
had coppi not be injured on

so

Quoted message said:

many occasions, his palmares certainly would have been greater in size. hamilton, on the other
hand, especially the last few times he has crashed during races, has ended up getting the worst of
it. fractures of the collarbone, hairline fractures here and here, it surely doesn't help that

he

Quoted message said:

probably doesn't weight a gram over 65 kilos. surely big, powerful Thor Hushovd would come out of
such a crash better than any of the small super-climbers would.

i do applaud tyler for continuing on with the race, he shows the mark of a true champion, someone
to be admired. but in comparison to his giro

injury,

Quoted message said:

which if i recall correctly happend around the halfway mark of the race, does he expect to ride 17
more stages with a collarbone broken in not one, but two places ? i know of only one other rider
who finished a Grand Tour
w/ a broken collarbone, that rider was Niklas Axelsson who rode for 'Navigare' at the time back in
97 or 98 (?) i think. mr. axelsson has

since

Quoted message said:

been suspended for doping but that is another story. i believe that when axelsson was injured he
was sitting top 5 or so on GC, but being that his injury happend near the end of the race he only
dropped something like 5-7 places on GC because the stages were relatively flat.

in summation, it seems possible to ride w/ a broken collarbone in a grand tour, but this early in
a GT ? riding out of the saddle must be nearly

out

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of the question because of the stress it places on the arms, so attacking and sudden accelerations
are out, not to mention the stringent anti-doping regs that forbid the use of even an
anti-inflammatory shot to the cheek to relieve the swelling from a bee sting. basically, is it
worth finishing

in

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100th place just to finish when you might have gone for the overall ? surely he could reach good
form again by the vuelta if he took extreme

care

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of himself between now and then, but tyler is tyler, its his choice not mine, not even Riis'
apparently.

shawn

Nick Burns said:

It is hard to tell if he is in the wrong place a lot or does not know how to fall. I would think
that his bone density or any other health factor would be known, but probably only to him and
the team.

Notice that Ullrich was the only GC contender (that I noticed) that was strong enough to stay at
the head of the group and in front of the crash. I have not seen any weakness in him this year at
all. He started racing a tad late (his suspension ended March 23) but many other riders focused on
the Tour started around the same time by choice. This could simply be the first year the he and
his team have done a good job at managing expectations. I mean, yeah, he missed the bulk of last
year, but how much will that affect him? Perhaps a lot less than anyone epxected. USPS will likely
beat Bianchi in the TTT and that means Lance will have time checks on Ullrich for the first big
ITT. Are there any mountain stages before the ITT? I was assuming the typical pattern of stages
but now I remembered that it is not a typical year.

You know, you could look that sort of thing up before posting to usenet.

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does anyone notice the similarites between fausto coppi and tyler

hamilton,

He does look like Coppi, that same pained look of desperation.

Poor Fausto was a sick child. Not sure if Tyler had health problems when he was a lad.

Tyler looks quite healthy in my circa 1993 Cyclerobix video.

"Shawn Jelley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

does anyone notice the similarites between fausto coppi and tyler

hamilton,

Quoted message said:

other than their respective palmares. i am speaking in reference to their injury woes, coppi was
'made of glass' as some would say, the man was hurt badly many times when he fell. undoubtedly,
had coppi not be injured on

so

Quoted message said:

many occasions, his palmares certainly would have been greater in size. hamilton, on the other
hand, especially the last few times he has crashed during races, has ended up getting the worst of
it. fractures of the collarbone, hairline fractures here and here, it surely doesn't help that

he

Quoted message said:

probably doesn't weight a gram over 65 kilos. surely big, powerful Thor Hushovd would come out of
such a crash better than any of the small super-climbers would.

i do applaud tyler for continuing on with the race, he shows the mark of a true champion, someone
to be admired. but in comparison to his giro

injury,

Quoted message said:

which if i recall correctly happend around the halfway mark of the race, does he expect to ride 17
more stages with a collarbone broken in not one, but two places ? i know of only one other rider
who finished a Grand Tour
w/ a broken collarbone, that rider was Niklas Axelsson who rode for 'Navigare' at the time back in
97 or 98 (?) i think. mr. axelsson has

since

Quoted message said:

been suspended for doping but that is another story. i believe that when axelsson was injured he
was sitting top 5 or so on GC, but being that his injury happend near the end of the race he only
dropped something like 5-7 places on GC because the stages were relatively flat.

in summation, it seems possible to ride w/ a broken collarbone in a grand tour, but this early in
a GT ? riding out of the saddle must be nearly

out

Quoted message said:

of the question because of the stress it places on the arms, so attacking and sudden accelerations
are out, not to mention the stringent anti-doping regs that forbid the use of even an
anti-inflammatory shot to the cheek to relieve the swelling from a bee sting. basically, is it
worth finishing

in

Quoted message said:

100th place just to finish when you might have gone for the overall ? surely he could reach good
form again by the vuelta if he took extreme

care

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of himself between now and then, but tyler is tyler, its his choice not mine, not even Riis'
apparently.

shawn

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does he expect to ride 17 more stages with a collarbone broken in

not one,

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but two places ?<<

Latest word is Tyler's start today was so he could try and stay in

for the

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TTT on Wed. He should be able to do OK in that event (which will

help

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Sastre's GC chances) but then will likely drop out. Love to see him

tough

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it out but even he knows what it's going to feel like on the climbs

in a

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week. He's going to be getting more press than the stage winners a

long as

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he stays in the Tour which is a goldmine for the teams sponsors.

Remember

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this is a business as well as a sport. I think he will be well

rewarded.

Depending on the exact break and how many times it's happened before he may not be in all that much
pain. Motorcycle racers commonly competed at the top levels with broken collar bones and after so
many breaks they simply never knitted together again. One of our riders used to be able to touch his
shoulders together in front of his chest.

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Notice that Ullrich was the only GC contender (that I noticed) that

was

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strong enough to stay at the head of the group and in front of the

crash.

Did you read that in a cartoon as well?

Jan was there by luck and the rest of the contenders were right behind him but were involved in
the crash.