Tx for TB?

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On Fri, 5 Sep 2003 14:22:54 -0500, "Deathray" <[email hidden]>
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Vist Dr. Christopher's page at herballegacy.com
This man's work was outstanding, in my view.
Enclosed is just a short snip of his page on Tuberculosis.

Definition
A long term grainy tumorous infection caused by an acid-fast bacillus.

Does this mean that if your system is somewhat acidic
that you are more likely to get it?

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Herbal Aids
Echinacea: Fine results have been obtained by using echinacea alone or
in combination with elecampane root. [SNH p.89]
Garlic: Inhale the vapors of the freshly expressed juice that has been
diluted with equal quantities of water. [SNH p.100]
Garlic Syrup; Give 2 teaspoons to 1 tablespoonful of the syrup 3-4
times daily between meals. [SNH p.100] Tincture-syrup (glycerine) of
garlic: See formula using garlic cloves, apple cider vinegar,
distilled water, glycerine and pure honey. [SNH p.102]
Dr. Coffin's Formula for Tuberculosis or Consumption: See formula
using raspberry leaves, agrimony, barberry bark, cleavers, ground ivy,

(rest snipped)

Hey, thanks!! This is very helpful.

~Ray~

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Subject: Re: Tx for TB?
From: "Deathray" [email hidden]
Date: 9/5/2003 6:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time
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Does this mean that if your system is somewhat acidic
that you are more likely to get it?

no

you are more likely to get it if someone infected with the bacillus coughs your
way..

again...TB is not a benign illness...

do get yourself properly tested..and treated...and not with herbs

also note that the doc quoted data from over 5 decades ago..

hawki

hawki

Deathray said:

Does anyone know what else besides garlic is a good treatment for
tuberculosis???

Damn little, which is why it was so dreaded in the pre-antibiotic
era.

Read "The Plague and I" by Betty McDonald to see what treatment
in the 1930s was like.

http://www.ragged-edge-mag.com/0902/0902ldc.html

Tsu Dho Nimh

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On Fri, 5 Sep 2003 14:22:54 -0500, "Deathray" <[email hidden]>
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Echinacea: Fine results have been obtained by using echinacea alone or
in combination with elecampane root. [SNH p.89]
Garlic: Inhale the vapors of the freshly expressed juice that has been
diluted with equal quantities of water. [SNH p.100]
Garlic Syrup; Give 2 teaspoons to 1 tablespoonful of the syrup 3-4
times daily between meals. [SNH p.100] Tincture-syrup (glycerine) of
garlic: See formula using garlic cloves, apple cider vinegar,
distilled water, glycerine and pure honey. [SNH p.102]

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Dr. Coffin's Formula for Tuberculosis or Consumption: See formula
using raspberry leaves, agrimony, barberry bark, cleavers, ground ivy,

And these remedies are from the era when TB was called the "White
Plague", filled hospitals, and killed thousands ... they
certainly did have "fine results".

Tsu Dho Nimh

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Does anyone know what else besides garlic is a good treatment for
tuberculosis???

TB has a tendency to become resistant to antibiotics, so i was curios as to
what other things may treat it.
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~Ray~

Xi Yang Shen (American Ginseng, Radix Panacis Quinquefolii) is often used as a
major ingredient in Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM) formulas. Other herbs
of note are Bai He (Lilly Bulb, Bulbus Lilii), Qin Jiao (Radix Gentianae
Qinjiao) and Gou Qi Zi (Chinese Wolfberry, Fructus Lycii)

Chinese herbal therapies are NOT a substitute for Western, Bio-Medical
treatments, but may be used in a complimentary fashion.

I do not believe that Da Suan (Garlic) is used in any TCM formulas for
Tuberculosis. It is my opinion that anything other than small amounts of
garlic in one's food would be contraindicated in TCM for anyone suffering from
TB or other consumptive lung diseases.

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Subject: Re: Tx for TB?

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Does anyone know what else besides garlic is a good treatment for
tuberculosis???

TB has a tendency to become resistant to antibiotics, so i was curios as to
what other things may treat it.
--
~Ray~

Baillieres Clin Haematol. 1994 Dec;7(4):965-1000. Related Articles, Links

Control of disease by selective iron depletion: a novel therapeutic strategy
utilizing iron chelators.

Hershko C.

Department of Medicine, Shaare Zedek Medical Center, Jerusalem, Israel.

Recognition of the central role of iron in the generation of toxic,
oxygen-derived species through the Haber-Weiss reaction, the ability of
desferrioxamine (DFX) to prevent the damage associated with free radical
generation in reperfusion injury, and its inhibitory effect on cell
proliferation by inactivation of the iron dependent enzyme ribonucleotide
reductase, resulted in an increasing number of studies exploring the novel
therapeutic applications of iron chelating drugs: (a) Animal models of
reperfusion injury have shown that DFX is able to decrease post-anoxic damage
to the brain and heart as manifested in decreased infarct size and improved
functional recovery. Iron chelators may be particularly useful in improving the
preservation of organs intended for transplantation such as the heart, lung or
kidney. (b) Anthracycline cardiotoxicity is aggravated by iron and inhibited by
iron chelators. Because the mechanism of its antineoplastic effect differs from
its cardiotoxic effect, it is possible to inhibit anthracycline cardiotoxicity
without interfering with therapeutic efficacy. In vivo and in vitro animal
studies have yielded encouraging results but much additional experimental work
is still required before iron chelating therapy may be advocated for use in
patients on anthracycline therapy. (c) Cell proliferation can be inhibited by
iron chelators through the reversible inhibition of ribonucleotide reductase, a
rate-limiting enzyme in DNA synthesis. This may be exploited for the treatment
of malignant disease, and preliminary studies have already shown that DFX in
combination with multidrug chemotherapy is effective in controlling
neuroblastoma and other tumours. However, the contribution of DF to the overall
clinical effect is unclear. Prospective controlled clinical studies are
required in order to establish whether the antiproliferative, or cell
synchronizing properties of DFX may be of practical usefulness in the control
of malignant disease. (d) Control of protozoal infection: Experimental in vivo
and in vitro models have shown that malarial infection may be inhibited by iron
chelating therapy. This useful effect of DFX and other iron chelators is most
probably related to ribonucleotide reductase inhibition. Clinical studies of
asymptomatic P. falciparum malaria and of cerebral malaria have shown both an
accelerated rate of parasite clearance and earlier recovery from coma. These
observations lend new meaning to the term 'nutritional immunity' and open new
channels for exploring the possibility of controlling infection by means of
selective intracellular iron deprivation. Experimental models for studying the
effect of iron chelators on other intracellular pathogens such as Toxoplasma
gondii, Chlamydia psittaci, or Mycobacterium tuberculosis should be
established.(ABSTRACT TRUNCATED AT 400 WORDS)

Publication Types:
Review
Review, Academic

PMID: 7881162 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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Wow, thanks. I have not heard of a few of these, but they are worth looking
into.

~Ray~

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Xi Yang Shen (American Ginseng, Radix Panacis Quinquefolii) is often used

as a

Quoted message said:

major ingredient in Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM) formulas. Other

herbs

Quoted message said:

of note are Bai He (Lilly Bulb, Bulbus Lilii), Qin Jiao (Radix Gentianae
Qinjiao) and Gou Qi Zi (Chinese Wolfberry, Fructus Lycii)

Chinese herbal therapies are NOT a substitute for Western, Bio-Medical
treatments, but may be used in a complimentary fashion.

I do not believe that Da Suan (Garlic) is used in any TCM formulas for
Tuberculosis. It is my opinion that anything other than small amounts of
garlic in one's food would be contraindicated in TCM for anyone suffering

from

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TB or other consumptive lung diseases.

Yicks!! That's the clinic from hell. Damn.

~Ray~

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Read "The Plague and I" by Betty McDonald to see what treatment
in the 1930s was like.

http://www.ragged-edge-mag.com/0902/0902ldc.html

Tsu Dho Nimh