twisting & shouting signifying nothing......

Quoted message said:

I hope in the future, people would have a little patience with a newbie, and
maybe over look some uninformed conclusions. I think all I wanted out of
the post was a reply from someone who would point me to some companies that
offered 29er's.

But you didn't wander in asking for advice, you arrived spouting
opinions based on your extremely limited experience of mountain
biking. Would you walk into a biker bar spouting all harleys are [censored]
and everyone should buy a honda and not expect some sort of negative
reaction?

And if you've failed to find companies the build 29ers, I can only
assume your experience with google is as limited as your experience
with mtbs.

Most roadies take a while to adapt to mtbing because they believe that
because there are the same two wheels, pedals and saddle as their road
bike,they can just jump on and go. This is sort of true if they stick
to fire roads and easy trails, dirt roads, but not true if they
attempt decent single track. You're used to pedaling for miles in
possibly the same gear and body position, enduring the distance.
Where, for me, I'm shifting gear all the time, sometimes within a few
pedal strokes and shifting body position to adapt to trails
conditions. When I'm too beat up and tired to go mtb I sometimes grab
the road bike and go spin for a few hours just to keep the legs in
shape.

Saying that a 29er is the future for mtbing is like me saying
recumbents are the way forward for road riding.

On Jun 22, 5:03 am, "Callistus Valerius" <[email hidden]>
wrote:

<snip> Previously responed to post <snip>

Quoted message said:

I think all I wanted out of
the post was a reply from someone who would point me to some companies that
offered 29er's.

And you were given that information. I posted up a link to a LBS (were
the owner has been riding 29'ers since the outset) were there are
links to ~30 active 29er producers.

R

On Jun 22, 7:03 am, "Callistus Valerius" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

After all the twisting and shouting, I wanted to go back to my first post in
amb on 6/11/07. Subject line: 29er is the future.

This is what I wrote:

"Does anyone know why Trek and Specialized are stonewalling the 29er
revolution? It's obvious to anyone now, that the 29er is the way to go.
Trek has a 69er, that is truely an extended middle finger to the 29er
movement. They make bikes, why not make something people want, and is
superior to what they offer now?"

----------
This is a rather, benign, maybe uninformed statement, but didn't deserve the
vicious responses I received. Not to beat a dead horse, but I want to
explain line by line, what I was thinking, and why I wrote what I did.

"Does anyone know why Trek and Specialized are stonewalling the 29er
revolution? It's obvious to anyone now, that the 29er is the way to go."

After someone told me about the 29er in rbt, I naturally researched the
subject, and finally found a reason to give mtb another try. So then the
next step, was to find what 29er's are available, and went to the companies
that I have bought road bikes from, Specialized and Trek. No 29er found.
So I naturally thought, if the two biggest bike US bike companies don't have
what obviously is the new thing in mtb, they must be trying to kill it.

Next sentence.

"It's obvious to anyone now, that the 29er is the way to go.
Trek has a 69er, that is truely an extended middle finger to the 29er
movement."

It was obvious to me, that the bigger wheel was better than the smaller
wheel, because I'm a road guy, and bigger is faster, so maybe I should have
qualified that to "being my experience." Now I'm surfing the Trek site for
their bikes, no 29er, but I find a 69er. I very impractical bike as it has
two different wheel sizes, do you have to carry two different tubes with
you? Then I saw "69" which can have obscene connocations, so that's what I
thought they were doing. Still don't get what a 69er would be used for.

Now the last statement.

" They make bikes, why not make something people want, and is
superior to what they offer now?"

This is obviously frustration on my part. Not being part of the mtb
community, I now am realizing that finding a 29er was going to be harder
than I thought, and I don't really like putting much effort into buying
something. Road stuff is easy to figure out, but maybe because I'm so
familiar with it, and with the zillions of different shocks, unfamilar types
of shifters rd, fd, I knew this was going to be harder than I thought.

I hope in the future, people would have a little patience with a newbie, and
maybe over look some uninformed conclusions. I think all I wanted out of
the post was a reply from someone who would point me to some companies that
offered 29er's.

Have you fixed your brake yet?

/s

Quoted message said:

Have you fixed your brake yet?

/s

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You'll be the first to know when I do. I think I'm gonna just start fresh
with some new ones, they aren't exactly a bank buster.

Quoted message said:

But you didn't wander in asking for advice, you arrived spouting
opinions based on your extremely limited experience of mountain
biking. Would you walk into a biker bar spouting all harleys are [censored]
and everyone should buy a honda and not expect some sort of negative
reaction?

-------------
I once referred to the belt drive on a Harley as a "rubber band", and had to
do some fast talking to avoid a beating by some nasty looking bikers."
-------------

Quoted message said:

Most roadies take a while to adapt to mtbing because they believe that
because there are the same two wheels, pedals and saddle as their road
bike,they can just jump on and go. This is sort of true if they stick
to fire roads and easy trails, dirt roads, but not true if they
attempt decent single track. You're used to pedaling for miles in
possibly the same gear and body position, enduring the distance.
Where, for me, I'm shifting gear all the time, sometimes within a few
pedal strokes and shifting body position to adapt to trails
conditions. When I'm too beat up and tired to go mtb I sometimes grab
the road bike and go spin for a few hours just to keep the legs in
shape.

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Contrasts are helpful, thanks for the insight. My experience on mtb, has
been 50 mile rides on very torn up fire roads, through mountains, which was
kind of similar to road, and only have done once. a single track on a 24
hour course that was extemely difficult with the bike I was using (it
weighed 45 pounds, really!). Maybe with a new mtb bike, it will be little
bit easier, I hope. But at least I'll have something to work with.

to post <snip>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I think all I wanted out of
the post was a reply from someone who would point me to some companies

that

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

offered 29er's.

And you were given that information. I posted up a link to a LBS (were
the owner has been riding 29'ers since the outset) were there are
links to ~30 active 29er producers.

R

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the only way I can answer this, is that if one, accidently sticks a
broomstick into a beehive, and they start swarming, there may be one bee
trying to lead you away to safety. away from the hive, but the tendency is
to swat at all of them.

Callistus Valerius said:

After all the twisting and shouting, I wanted to go back to my first
post in amb on 6/11/07. Subject line: 29er is the future.

"Mark conversation as read" Aaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

Callistus Valerius said:

After all the twisting and shouting, I wanted to go back to my first post in
amb on 6/11/07. Subject line: 29er is the future.

This is what I wrote:

"Does anyone know why Trek and Specialized are stonewalling the 29er
revolution? It's obvious to anyone now, that the 29er is the way to go.
Trek has a 69er, that is truely an extended middle finger to the 29er
movement. They make bikes, why not make something people want, and is
superior to what they offer now?"

----------
This is a rather, benign, maybe uninformed statement, but didn't deserve the
vicious responses I received.

Uh: "...is superior to what they offer now" is a troll, asswhipe.

Go away.

Greg

On Jun 22, 9:51 am, "Callistus Valerius" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Have you fixed your brake yet?

Quoted message said:

/s

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You'll be the first to know when I do. I think I'm gonna just start fresh
with some new ones, they aren't exactly a bank buster.

Fair enough. Since you won't be using them, maybe you could send me
the ones you'll be replacing.

/s

G.T. said:

Callistus Valerius said:

After all the twisting and shouting, I wanted to go back to my first post in
amb on 6/11/07. Subject line: 29er is the future.

Quoted message said:

This is what I wrote:

Quoted message said:

"Does anyone know why Trek and Specialized are stonewalling the 29er
revolution? It's obvious to anyone now, that the 29er is the way to go.
Trek has a 69er, that is truely an extended middle finger to the 29er
movement. They make bikes, why not make something people want, and is
superior to what they offer now?"

Quoted message said:

----------
This is a rather, benign, maybe uninformed statement, but didn't deserve the
vicious responses I received.

Uh: "...is superior to what they offer now" is a troll, asswhipe.

Go away.

I second the motion.

JD

Quoted message said:

Fair enough. Since you won't be using them, maybe you could send me
the ones you'll be replacing.

/s

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believe me you don't want these. They're over 10 years old, the rubber boot
deterioriated, they're scratched up bottom of the barrel v-brakes. I did
put some salmon kool-stop pads on them that are still good after 10 years,
so I'll salvage them. But I think you could do better dumpster diving, like
what that one guy suggested I do. Dumpster diving I just don't do, even
though I've heard of stories of people pulling out nice Colagno's out of
them that only had a flat tire. But I just have a feeling I wouldn't be
that lucky.

..

Quoted message said:

Uh: "...is superior to what they offer now" is a troll, asswhipe.

Go away.

Greg

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Can't we allllllll just get along?

On Jun 23, 9:43 am, "Callistus Valerius" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

.

Quoted message said:

Uh: "...is superior to what they offer now" is a troll, asswhipe.

Quoted message said:

Go away.

Quoted message said:

Greg

--------------
Can't we allllllll just get along?

Nope.

R

Callistus Valerius said:

After all the twisting and shouting, I wanted to go back to my first post in
amb on 6/11/07. Subject line: 29er is the future.

This is what I wrote:

"Does anyone know why Trek and Specialized are stonewalling the 29er
revolution? It's obvious to anyone now, that the 29er is the way to go.

<snip-de-dip>

Quoted message said:

I hope in the future, people would have a little patience with a newbie, and
maybe over look some uninformed conclusions. I think all I wanted out of
the post was a reply from someone who would point me to some companies that
offered 29er's.

Your problem, Callistus, is that you instantly assume that you are right
across the spectrum - which you aren't. YOU PERSONALLY think the 29 is
the slickest thing since greased [censored] slid off the shovel, but there are
those of us out here who think it is perfectly silly, and want to stay
with the 26-er that we know and love.
So, by attacking all we hold dear, you lay yourself open to some flak.
And being the [censored]-head you have since proved yourself to be, you
proceed to call US [censored] for disagreeing with your stupidity.
For an explanation of why this behaviour warrants this response, see
"Vandeman" in the "Troll" section of your local library (if you can find it)
Steve "HTH"

Quoted message said:

Your problem, Callistus, is that you instantly assume that you are right
across the spectrum - which you aren't. YOU PERSONALLY think the 29 is
the slickest thing since greased [censored] slid off the shovel, but there are
those of us out here who think it is perfectly silly, and want to stay
with the 26-er that we know and love.
So, by attacking all we hold dear, you lay yourself open to some flak.
And being the [censored]-head you have since proved yourself to be, you
proceed to call US [censored] for disagreeing with your stupidity.
For an explanation of why this behaviour warrants this response, see
"Vandeman" in the "Troll" section of your local library (if you can find

it)

Quoted message said:

Steve "HTH"

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I think you're wrong about the 26, I predict that 15 years from now that the
29 will be the standard. People will look back to the pictures of mtb races
of this time and wonder why people rode those bikes with the small wheels.
But let that lay, because it's just my personal prediction, you obviously
disagree.
Who is "Vandeman"? Troll section, where is that? I see he reported the
Nick heart attack story twice, I did think that odd. I try to understand
the traditions of a particular newsgroup, like I know that a header with the
word "shimmy" in rbt will start an ugly flame war, so I won't do that. But
that takes years of reading before you know which subjects to avoid.
Unfortunately I stepped on the 29er mine here, with my first post.

Callistus Valerius wrote:

<snip>

Quoted message said:

Unfortunately I stepped on the 29er mine here, with my first post.

You didn't so much step on a mine, as shoot yourself in the foot. The
problem was not your opinion, or even the subject matter, but your blind
unreasoning disability to let go of that opinion in the face of folks
who have ridden the 26" wheel longer than your mental age. It's very
simple, really.

"Callistus Valerius" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I hope in the future, people would have a little patience with a newbie,
and
maybe over look some uninformed conclusions. I think all I wanted out of
the post was a reply from someone who would point me to some companies
that
offered 29er's.

on-one.co.uk make 29ers, and they have distributors in the US. IIRC Gary
Fisher also made a few.