Turkey vs ham

Sandwiches are never healthy. You should not be combining starchy carbs with
proteins. They cannot be digested at the same time.

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I often have a healthy sandwich of turkey for lunch but I am getting
tired of it. Is a low fat ham a suitable replacement for turkey? They
seem to have the same fat content.

Thanks....

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Sandwiches are never healthy. You should not be combining starchy carbs
with
proteins. They cannot be digested at the same time.

I wish you would learn to put your comments below the OP's comments. It
shows respect for the other members of the group because it makes it easier
to follow the conversation.

Your comment about starchy carbs and proteins not being able to be digested
at the same time is totally incorrect. Starchy carbs start to get digested
in the mouth by salivary amilase. The carbs are digested to simple sugars in
the stomach and small intestine. The protein, likewsie, is broken down in
the stomach and small intestine into amino acids by other enzymes. This goes
on simulatenously.

So starchy carbs and proteins *are* digested at the same time without any
problems.

Jeff

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I often have a healthy sandwich of turkey for lunch but I am getting
tired of it. Is a low fat ham a suitable replacement for turkey? They
seem to have the same fat content.

Thanks....

Ok I have corrected the thread. Please stop trolling. You're too obvious to
warrant heated responses.

Troll effort: 6
Troll effectiveness: 2

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I wish you would learn to put your comments below the OP's comments. It
shows respect for the other members of the group because it makes it

easier

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to follow the conversation.

Your comment about starchy carbs and proteins not being able to be

digested

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at the same time is totally incorrect. Starchy carbs start to get digested
in the mouth by salivary amilase. The carbs are digested to simple sugars

in

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the stomach and small intestine. The protein, likewsie, is broken down in
the stomach and small intestine into amino acids by other enzymes. This

goes

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on simulatenously.

So starchy carbs and proteins *are* digested at the same time without any
problems.

Jeff

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Sandwiches are never healthy. You should not be combining starchy carbs
with
proteins. They cannot be digested at the same time.

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I often have a healthy sandwich of turkey for lunch but I am getting
tired of it. Is a low fat ham a suitable replacement for turkey? They
seem to have the same fat content.

Thanks....

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Ok I have corrected the thread. Please stop trolling. You're too obvious
to
warrant heated responses.

Troll effort: 6
Troll effectiveness: 2

ROTFL. I also wish you would address the question at hand (which I am doing
below - i forgot to do it earlier).

As for the original question, there is no reason not to eat ham instead of
turkey. The fat content is nearly the same.
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Followup question for Pizza Girl:

Can you please explain why carbs and proteins cannot be digested at the same
time? They are digested by different enzymes from the salivary glands and
pancreas. I see no reason why they can't be digested at the same time. And,
as far as I know, I have been digesting proteins and carbs at the same time
ever since I have been eating peanut butter and jelly on raison bread,
beginning about 38 or 39 years ago (I was probably eating them since I was 1
or 2), without any ill effects. And I enjoy eating ham on rye (with the
seeds). And people (including me) have been eating pot roast and potatoes,
meat lover's pizza (with pepperoni, ham, cheese, beef, chicken and, of
course, ham), turkey and mashed potatoes, chicken and biscits and shepard's
pie for years.

The ill effects of not being able to digest something would include
inability to gain weight, upset stomach, gas and diarrhea. I don't suffer
from upset stomach, diarrhea or gas (although some of the people around me
suffer from my gas), and certainly, not being able to gain weight has never
been an issue with me.

Jeff

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Well the gas tells everybody that you are not digesting properly and the
food sits and rots producing gas.

That's not correct. It tells everyone that I am digesting normally. Everyone
produces gas. The average person passes gas about once an hour. Producing
and passing gas is a normal part of digestion.

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I guess if you like all those foods then they must be OK for you.

Only in moderation. Eating too much of anything is not good.

Can you please explain why you think starchy carbs and proteins cannot be
digested at the same time?

Thanks.

Jeff

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LOL
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Ok I have corrected the thread. Please stop trolling. You're too
obvious
to
warrant heated responses.

Troll effort: 6
Troll effectiveness: 2

ROTFL. I also wish you would address the question at hand (which I am

doing

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below - i forgot to do it earlier).

As for the original question, there is no reason not to eat ham instead
of
turkey. The fat content is nearly the same.
------------

Followup question for Pizza Girl:

Can you please explain why carbs and proteins cannot be digested at the

same

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time? They are digested by different enzymes from the salivary glands and
pancreas. I see no reason why they can't be digested at the same time.

And,

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as far as I know, I have been digesting proteins and carbs at the same

time

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ever since I have been eating peanut butter and jelly on raison bread,
beginning about 38 or 39 years ago (I was probably eating them since I
was

1

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or 2), without any ill effects. And I enjoy eating ham on rye (with the
seeds). And people (including me) have been eating pot roast and
potatoes,
meat lover's pizza (with pepperoni, ham, cheese, beef, chicken and, of
course, ham), turkey and mashed potatoes, chicken and biscits and

shepard's

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pie for years.

The ill effects of not being able to digest something would include
inability to gain weight, upset stomach, gas and diarrhea. I don't suffer
from upset stomach, diarrhea or gas (although some of the people around
me
suffer from my gas), and certainly, not being able to gain weight has

never

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been an issue with me.

Jeff

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Well the gas tells everybody that you are not digesting properly and the
food sits and rots producing gas.

I guess if you like all those foods then they must be OK for you.

LOL
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Ok I have corrected the thread. Please stop trolling. You're too obvious
to
warrant heated responses.

Troll effort: 6
Troll effectiveness: 2

ROTFL. I also wish you would address the question at hand (which I am

doing

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below - i forgot to do it earlier).

As for the original question, there is no reason not to eat ham instead of
turkey. The fat content is nearly the same.
------------

Followup question for Pizza Girl:

Can you please explain why carbs and proteins cannot be digested at the

same

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time? They are digested by different enzymes from the salivary glands and
pancreas. I see no reason why they can't be digested at the same time.

And,

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as far as I know, I have been digesting proteins and carbs at the same

time

Quoted message said:

ever since I have been eating peanut butter and jelly on raison bread,
beginning about 38 or 39 years ago (I was probably eating them since I was

1

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or 2), without any ill effects. And I enjoy eating ham on rye (with the
seeds). And people (including me) have been eating pot roast and potatoes,
meat lover's pizza (with pepperoni, ham, cheese, beef, chicken and, of
course, ham), turkey and mashed potatoes, chicken and biscits and

shepard's

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pie for years.

The ill effects of not being able to digest something would include
inability to gain weight, upset stomach, gas and diarrhea. I don't suffer
from upset stomach, diarrhea or gas (although some of the people around me
suffer from my gas), and certainly, not being able to gain weight has

never

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been an issue with me.

Jeff

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The gas is telling you not to eat beans, but instead something like
Rapadura sugar, which is very easy to digest. It is well known that
some simple sugar is needed with high quality protein (and poor quality
protein should just not be eaten). Read "The Modern Nutritional
Diseases" by the biochemist Ottoboni couple, for example. If eating
carbs and protein at the same time prevented digestion, there would be
many millions of people in the "advanced nations" dropping dea of
malnutrition all over the place, because that's how almost everyone
eats. A little common sense here please!

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The gas is telling you not to eat beans, but instead something like
Rapadura sugar, which is very easy to digest.

Actually, the gas is because of bacterial action in my gut as well as air I
swallow during the day. It is perfectly normal.

If I want sugar that is easy to digest, I would just drink or eat glucose.

Jeff

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Ok I have corrected the thread.

No you haven't, and you've managed to make it even worse than your
normal top-posting does.

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Please stop trolling.

Sounds like trolling is another USENET term you don't understand.

MattLB

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Most people don't buy glucose, nor do most stores sell glucose. They
sell a substance that is a combination of sugar isomers, but mostly
sucrose.

Rapadura is high in potassium and vitamin A (relative to other common
sugar sources) and has decent trace levels of other important minerals.
It also has a distinctive taste, not at all like "white sugar."

According to your claim, the sugar should also cause upset, because the
bacteria is getting something to chew on, so to speak.

Only if the sugar gets through to the ilium. But it is absorbed before then
in healthy people.

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And if you
swallow air while eating, it doesn't matter what you eat - the effects
should be the same. Therefore, you need to at least clarify your point
here.

The point is that passing gas is a normal part of physiology.

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In my experience, a diet high in "complex carbs" is just asking for
intestinal upset, and possible long-term damage.

Then don't eat them.

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After many years on
this kind of diet, I almost died because my body stopped digesting
food. Now, on a diet with all easily digestible food, I have no
problems (I did have to use stomach acid and pepsin to aid digestion,
and I still use them now), that is, no gas, bloating, grumbling, etc.
(except to a very minor degree if I eat much more than usual). Your
body is telling you something here, but if you refuse to listen, don't
be surprised when your doctor says, "I've got some bad new for you."

I can't help but wonder if you have cystic fibrosis.

Jeff

Passing gas is not part of normal digestion and when you learn to eat
properly you will discover this.

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Most people don't buy glucose, nor do most stores sell glucose. They
sell a substance that is a combination of sugar isomers, but mostly
sucrose.

Rapadura is high in potassium and vitamin A (relative to other common
sugar sources) and has decent trace levels of other important minerals.
It also has a distinctive taste, not at all like "white sugar."

According to your claim, the sugar should also cause upset, because the
bacteria is getting something to chew on, so to speak.

Only if the sugar gets through to the ilium. But it is absorbed before

then

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in healthy people.

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And if you
swallow air while eating, it doesn't matter what you eat - the effects
should be the same. Therefore, you need to at least clarify your point
here.

The point is that passing gas is a normal part of physiology.

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In my experience, a diet high in "complex carbs" is just asking for
intestinal upset, and possible long-term damage.

Then don't eat them.

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After many years on
this kind of diet, I almost died because my body stopped digesting
food. Now, on a diet with all easily digestible food, I have no
problems (I did have to use stomach acid and pepsin to aid digestion,
and I still use them now), that is, no gas, bloating, grumbling, etc.
(except to a very minor degree if I eat much more than usual). Your
body is telling you something here, but if you refuse to listen, don't
be surprised when your doctor says, "I've got some bad new for you."

I can't help but wonder if you have cystic fibrosis.

Jeff

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Passing gas is not part of normal digestion and when you learn to eat
properly you will discover this.p

I eat properly. And I fart. It is part of normal physiology.

We swallow gas while we eat, drink and a little bit during the day. Did you
ever see a abdominal x-ray? The stomach normally has gas in it. And the
intestinal contents have little pockets of air. The air is not absorbed by
the intestines. And bacteria make gas, as well.

It is part of normal digestion.
http://www.medicinenet.com/intestinal_gas_belching_bloating_flatulence/page3.htm#tocc
http://kidshealth.org/kid/talk/yucky/fart.html
http://www.baptistonline.org/health/library/dige3506.asp

Jeff
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Jeff wrote:
:: "Pizza Girl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
:: news:1118712574.18c91d725c75e275280dc40873daeeb5@teranews...
::: Passing gas is not part of normal digestion and when you learn to
::: eat properly you will discover this.p
::
:: I eat properly. And I fart. It is part of normal physiology.
::
:: We swallow gas while we eat, drink and a little bit during the day.
:: Did you ever see a abdominal x-ray? The stomach normally has gas in
:: it. And the intestinal contents have little pockets of air. The air
:: is not absorbed by the intestines. And bacteria make gas, as well.
::
:: It is part of normal digestion.

I agree with Pizza Girl here. Previously I thought that having gas is normal
but after getting digestion to good shape by proper food combining and
supplemental lactid acid bacteria, I have had to change my views. When the
digestion works very well, no gas or almost no gas is made.

If the aim is proper digestion and absorption of nutrients, combining
concentrated proteins and concentrated carbs is not recommendable. However,
if one has problems in blood sugar control, those combinations help to
balance blood sugar levels. Personally I follow some food combining rules
but not very strictly.

--
Juhana

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Jeff wrote:
:: "Pizza Girl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
:: news:1118712574.18c91d725c75e275280dc40873daeeb5@teranews...
::: Passing gas is not part of normal digestion and when you learn to
::: eat properly you will discover this.p
::
:: I eat properly. And I fart. It is part of normal physiology.
::
:: We swallow gas while we eat, drink and a little bit during the day.
:: Did you ever see a abdominal x-ray? The stomach normally has gas in
:: it. And the intestinal contents have little pockets of air. The air
:: is not absorbed by the intestines. And bacteria make gas, as well.
::
:: It is part of normal digestion.

I agree with Pizza Girl here. Previously I thought that having gas is
normal
but after getting digestion to good shape by proper food combining and
supplemental lactid acid bacteria, I have had to change my views. When the
digestion works very well, no gas or almost no gas is made.

That's incorrect. You may not perceive gas passing, but it is made.

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If the aim is proper digestion and absorption of nutrients, combining
concentrated proteins and concentrated carbs is not recommendable.

Why? Please provide real evidence.

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However,
if one has problems in blood sugar control, those combinations help to
balance blood sugar levels. Personally I follow some food combining rules
but not very strictly.

If one is having problem with blood sugar control, one should lose weight
and excercise.

Jeff

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Juhana

Jeff wrote:
:: "Juhana Harju" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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::: Jeff wrote:
::::: "Pizza Girl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
::::: news:1118712574.18c91d725c75e275280dc40873daeeb5@teranews...
:::::: Passing gas is not part of normal digestion and when you learn to
:::::: eat properly you will discover this.p
:::::
::::: I eat properly. And I fart. It is part of normal physiology.
:::::
::::: We swallow gas while we eat, drink and a little bit during the
::::: day. Did you ever see a abdominal x-ray? The stomach normally has
::::: gas in it. And the intestinal contents have little pockets of
::::: air. The air is not absorbed by the intestines. And bacteria
::::: make gas, as well.
:::::
::::: It is part of normal digestion.
:::
::: I agree with Pizza Girl here. Previously I thought that having gas
::: is normal
::: but after getting digestion to good shape by proper food combining
::: and supplemental lactid acid bacteria, I have had to change my
::: views. When the digestion works very well, no gas or almost no gas
::: is made.
::
:: That's incorrect. You may not perceive gas passing, but it is made.

Are you a special case farting through the skin or how does it happen? LOL

::: If the aim is proper digestion and absorption of nutrients,
::: combining concentrated proteins and concentrated carbs is not
::: recommendable.
::
:: Why? Please provide real evidence.

As I said: "There is competition among some B-vitamins and it is not any
urban legend. I have *seen* an abstract posted to sci.med.nutrition about
this. That was about half a year ago. According to that abstract taking some
isolated vitamin B reduced the amount of some other vitamin B. But at the
moment I can not figure out how to find that study again. (That study was
not about B12 masking folate deficiency but something else.)"

I hope that someone finds that study.

::: However,
::: if one has problems in blood sugar control, those combinations help
::: to balance blood sugar levels. Personally I follow some food
::: combining rules but not very strictly.
::
:: If one is having problem with blood sugar control, one should lose
:: weight and excercise.

There are several ways to improve blood sugar control and combining carbs
with protein is one of them as many diabetics and people with impared
insulin sensitivity know. There are actually whole books written based on
this idea of improving insulin sensitity by food combining - just to mention
The Insulin Resistance Diet by Hart & Grossman (Contemporary Books 2001).

--
Juhana

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Sandwiches are never healthy. You should not be combining starchy carbs
with
proteins. They cannot be digested at the same time.

what an utter nonsense.
where is the explanation for that ridiculous "can't digest protein and
starch at the same time" theory?

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I often have a healthy sandwich of turkey for lunch but I am getting
tired of it. Is a low fat ham a suitable replacement for turkey? They
seem to have the same fat content.

Thanks....

That's OK. We have never gotten or expected any more from you than potshots
anyway.

Read up. Try to google some things and find out.

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Sandwiches are never healthy. You should not be combining starchy carbs
with
proteins. They cannot be digested at the same time.

what an utter nonsense.
where is the explanation for that ridiculous "can't digest protein and
starch at the same time" theory?

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"Arthur Edwards" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I often have a healthy sandwich of turkey for lunch but I am getting
tired of it. Is a low fat ham a suitable replacement for turkey? They
seem to have the same fat content.

Thanks....

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That's OK. We have never gotten or expected any more from you than
potshots
anyway.

do you have a split personality or do you generally talk in plural of
yourself?

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Read up. Try to google some things and find out.

yes, google obviously is the golden standard when it comes to valid
information.. for you at least.

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Sandwiches are never healthy. You should not be combining starchy carbs
with
proteins. They cannot be digested at the same time.

what an utter nonsense.
where is the explanation for that ridiculous "can't digest protein and
starch at the same time" theory?

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"Arthur Edwards" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>
> I often have a healthy sandwich of turkey for lunch but I am getting
> tired of it. Is a low fat ham a suitable replacement for turkey? They
> seem to have the same fat content.
>
> Thanks....
>

I agree with Jeff and even Pizza Girl to an extent. To achieve a total
fart-free existence is a pipe-dream. It is normal, even for people on
low/er-carb diets although they register much lower on the fartometer
scale than say ... a vegetarian or someone a high-carb omnivorous
diet.

rr

On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 02:49:41 GMT, "Jeff" <[email hidden]>

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Passing gas is not part of normal digestion and when you learn to eat
properly you will discover this.p

I eat properly. And I fart. It is part of normal physiology.

We swallow gas while we eat, drink and a little bit during the day. Did you
ever see a abdominal x-ray? The stomach normally has gas in it. And the
intestinal contents have little pockets of air. The air is not absorbed by
the intestines. And bacteria make gas, as well.

It is part of normal digestion.
http://www.medicinenet.com/intestinal_gas_belching_bloating_flatulence/page3.htm#tocc
http://kidshealth.org/kid/talk/yucky/fart.html
http://www.baptistonline.org/health/library/dige3506.asp

Jeff
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