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  1. Original post
    Brad Sheppard
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    #1

    Are you impotent? Multiply your risk by three:

    "A long-running study of over 2,000 men found that erectile
    dysfunction is associated with a more than threefold higher
    risk of heart attack. Lead researcher Dr. Steven J.
    Jacobsen, a professor of epidemiology at the Mayo Clinic,
    reported the findings Nov. 11, 2003 at the American Heart
    Association's annual conference in Orlando, Florida.
    According to Jacobsen, "We can't say that it is cause-and-
    effect, but erectile dysfunction is a marker for future
    events of cardiovascular disease." Overall, men with a heart
    attack from 1979 to 1995 were 3.5 times more likely to have
    erectile dysfunction in 1996 than men who did not have a
    heart attack." diagnose-diagnose-
    me.com/cond/C70120.html#H3

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  2. Dr. Andrew B. C
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    #2
    Brad Sheppard said:

    Are you impotent? Multiply your risk by three:

    "A long-running study of over 2,000 men found that
    erectile dysfunction is associated with a more than
    threefold higher risk of heart attack. Lead researcher Dr.
    Steven J. Jacobsen, a professor of epidemiology at the
    Mayo Clinic, reported the findings Nov. 11, 2003 at the
    American Heart Association's annual conference in Orlando,
    Florida. According to Jacobsen, "We can't say that it is
    cause-and-effect, but erectile dysfunction is a marker for
    future events of cardiovascular disease." Overall, men
    with a heart attack from 1979 to 1995 were 3.5 times more
    likely to have erectile dysfunction in 1996 than men who
    did not have a heart attack." diagnose-diagnose-
    me.com/cond/C70120.html#H3

    This would be analogous to saying that having a stroke is a
    risk factor for a heart attack.

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    Andrew

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  3. Hareleif
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    #3

    Thats because they have undiagnosed high blood pressure
    leading to both conditions.

    "Brad Sheppard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Are you impotent? Multiply your risk by three:

    "A long-running study of over 2,000 men found that
    erectile dysfunction is associated with a more than
    threefold higher risk of heart attack. Lead researcher Dr.
    Steven J. Jacobsen, a professor of epidemiology at the
    Mayo Clinic, reported the findings Nov. 11, 2003 at the
    American Heart Association's annual conference in Orlando,
    Florida. According to Jacobsen, "We can't say that it is
    cause-and-effect, but erectile dysfunction is a marker for
    future events of cardiovascular disease." Overall, men
    with a heart attack from 1979 to 1995 were 3.5 times more
    likely to have erectile dysfunction in 1996 than men who
    did not have a heart attack." diagnose-diagnose-
    me.com/cond/C70120.html#H3

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  4. Mirek Fidler
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    #4
    Quoted message said:
    Brad Sheppard said:

    Are you impotent? Multiply your risk by three:

    "A long-running study of over 2,000 men found that
    erectile dysfunction is associated with a more than
    threefold higher risk of heart attack. Lead researcher
    Dr. Steven J. Jacobsen, a professor of epidemiology at
    the Mayo Clinic, reported the findings Nov. 11, 2003 at
    the American Heart Association's annual conference in
    Orlando, Florida. According to Jacobsen, "We can't say
    that it is cause-and-effect, but erectile dysfunction is
    a marker for future events of cardiovascular disease."
    Overall, men with a heart attack from 1979 to 1995 were
    3.5 times more likely to have erectile dysfunction in
    1996 than men who did not have a heart attack." diagnose-diagnose-
    me.com/cond/C70120.html#H3

    This would be analogous to saying that having a stroke
    is a risk


    factor

    Quoted message said:

    for a heart attack.

    It is.

    You clearly do not understand what is considered to be a
    risk factor.

    Risk factor is not a cause. Risk factor is the indicator. If
    people having a stroke are more likely to have heart attack,
    then a stroke IS a risk factor for a heart attack.

    Mirek

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  5. Brad Sheppard
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    #5

    Chung,

    Something is wrong with your ability to think logically.
    You're saying you know more than Dr. Steven J. Jacobsen,
    a professor of epidemiology at the Mayo Clinic. And, yes,
    a stroke would be a valid risk factor, as would prior
    heart attacks.

    "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote
    in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Brad Sheppard said:

    Are you impotent? Multiply your risk by three:

    "A long-running study of over 2,000 men found that
    erectile dysfunction is associated with a more than
    threefold higher risk of heart attack. Lead researcher
    Dr. Steven J. Jacobsen, a professor of epidemiology at
    the Mayo Clinic, reported the findings Nov. 11, 2003 at
    the American Heart Association's annual conference in
    Orlando, Florida. According to Jacobsen, "We can't say
    that it is cause-and-effect, but erectile dysfunction is
    a marker for future events of cardiovascular disease."
    Overall, men with a heart attack from 1979 to 1995 were
    3.5 times more likely to have erectile dysfunction in
    1996 than men who did not have a heart attack." diagnose-diagnose-
    me.com/cond/C70120.html#H3

    This would be analogous to saying that having a stroke is
    a risk factor for a heart attack.

    Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

    Andrew

    --
    Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist
    heartmdphd.comheartmdphd.com

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  6. Dr. Andrew B. C
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    #6
    Mirek Fidler said:
    Quoted message said:
    Brad Sheppard said:

    Are you impotent? Multiply your risk by three:

    "A long-running study of over 2,000 men found that
    erectile dysfunction is associated with a more than
    threefold higher risk of heart attack. Lead researcher
    Dr. Steven J. Jacobsen, a professor of epidemiology at
    the Mayo Clinic, reported the findings Nov. 11, 2003
    at the American Heart Association's annual conference
    in Orlando, Florida. According to Jacobsen, "We can't
    say that it is cause-and-effect, but erectile
    dysfunction is a marker for future events of
    cardiovascular disease." Overall, men with a heart
    attack from 1979 to 1995 were 3.5 times more likely to
    have erectile dysfunction in 1996 than men who did not
    have a heart attack." diagnose-diagnose-
    me.com/cond/C70120.html#H3

    This would be analogous to saying that having a stroke
    is a risk


    factor

    Quoted message said:

    for a heart attack.

    It is.

    Sorry it is not. It is actually a "risk equivalent."

    Quoted message said:


    You clearly do not understand what is considered to be a
    risk factor.

    It is clear you do not know what is the truth.

    Quoted message said:


    Risk factor is not a cause.

    Correct.

    Quoted message said:

    Risk factor is the indicator.

    Incorrect.

    Quoted message said:

    If people having a stroke are more likely to have heart
    attack, then a stroke IS a risk factor for a heart attack.

    Living people are more likely to have a heart attack than
    dead people, so by your flawed logic, life is a risk factor
    for a heart attack.

    Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

    Andrew

    --
    Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist
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  7. Mirek Fidler
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    #7

    "Brad Sheppard" <[email hidden]> píse v diskusním príspevku
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Chung,

    Something is wrong with your ability to think logically.
    You're saying you know more than Dr. Steven J. Jacobsen, a
    professor of epidemiology at the Mayo Clinic. And, yes, a
    stroke would be a valid risk factor, as would prior heart
    attacks.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    events of cardiovascular disease." Overall, men with a
    heart


    attack

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    from 1979 to 1995 were 3.5 times more likely to have
    erectile dysfunction in 1996 than men who did not have
    a heart attack."

    I think what he wanted to say is that these guys got attack
    and THEN there was ED. So actually heart attack was a risk
    factor for ED, not otherwise.

    As for risk equivalent, is risk factor is as high as prior
    heart attack, it is called risk equivalent. Stroke or TypeII
    DM are considered to be risk equivalents.

    Mirek

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  8. Bjmpls
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    #8
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Living people are more likely to have a heart attack than
    dead people, so by your flawed logic, life is a risk
    factor for a heart attack.

    Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

    Andrew

    --
    Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist
    heartmdphd.comheartmdphd.com

    Dead people don't have heart attacks at all. And Yes, life
    is a risk factor for having a heart attack. Or else there
    would be no cardiologists. Korrect?

    It is also quite apparent that going to medical school (or
    perhaps, more accurately, claiming to have done so) does not
    eliminate the risk of being a grade-A idiot.

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  9. Mirek Fidler
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    #9
    Quoted message said:

    Living people are more likely to have a heart attack than
    dead people,


    so by

    Quoted message said:

    your flawed logic, life is a risk factor for a heart
    attack.

    Sure it is.

    Same logic applies to age. Being men over 45 is considered
    to be a risk factor, is not it?

    Mirek

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  10. Dr. Andrew B. C
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    #10
    Mirek Fidler said:


    Quoted message said:

    Living people are more likely to have a heart attack
    than dead people,


    so by

    Quoted message said:

    your flawed logic, life is a risk factor for a heart
    attack.

    Sure it is.

    Sorry, it is not.

    Quoted message said:

    Same logic applies to age. Being men over 45 is considered
    to be a risk factor, is not it?

    It is but obviously not because of your logic but rather in
    spite of it.

    Truth is simple.

    Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

    Andrew

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  11. Dr. Andrew B. C
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    #11
    bjmpls said:


    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Living people are more likely to have a heart attack
    than dead people, so by your flawed logic, life is a
    risk factor for a heart attack.

    Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

    Andrew

    --
    Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist
    heartmdphd.comheartmdphd.com

    Dead people don't have heart attacks at all. And Yes, life
    is a risk factor for having a heart attack. Or else there
    would be no cardiologists. Korrect?

    Incorrect.

    Quoted message said:

    It is also quite apparent that going to medical school (or
    perhaps, more accurately, claiming to have done so) does
    not eliminate the risk of being a grade-A idiot.

    Ouch. You may have at the other cheek.

    You remain in my prayers to God in Christ's name.

    Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

    Andrew

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    Board-Certified Cardiologist
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  12. Brad Sheppard
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    #12

    Yes, age is a huge risk factor. "About four out of five
    people who die of coronary heart disease are 65 or older. At
    older ages, women who have heart attacks are more likely
    than men are to die from them within a few weeks." w-w-
    ww.americanheart.org/presenter.jhtml?identifier=4726 Also,
    being male is considered a primary risk factor by the AHA.

    "Mirek Fidler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<2iqlnqFonlbuU1@uni-
    berlin.de>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Living people are more likely to have a heart attack
    than dead people,


    so by

    Quoted message said:

    your flawed logic, life is a risk factor for a heart
    attack.

    Sure it is.

    Same logic applies to age. Being men over 45 is considered
    to be a risk factor, is not it?

    Mirek

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  13. Mirek Fidler
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    #13
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Same logic applies to age. Being men over 45 is
    considered to be a


    risk

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    factor, is not it?

    It is but obviously not because of your logic but rather
    in spite of


    it.

    Could be. You are the doctor....

    Anyway, what makes ED the risk factor equivalent in
    your logic?

    Mirek

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  14. Mirek Fidler
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    #14

    "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> píse v diskusním
    príspevku "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Mirek Fidler said:


    Quoted message said:

    Living people are more likely to have a heart attack
    than dead


    people,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    so by

    Quoted message said:

    your flawed logic, life is a risk factor for a heart
    attack.

    Sure it is.

    Sorry, it is not.

    Quoted message said:

    Same logic applies to age. Being men over 45 is
    considered to be a


    risk

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    factor, is not it?

    It is but obviously not because of your logic but rather
    in spite of


    it.

    I have to apologize. I have read original article more
    carefully and I must say you are right.

    At least I now know how is "risk equivalent" defined🙂 (Just
    to be sure, it is risk factor equivalent to having previous
    heart attack, correct?).

    Mirek

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