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  1. Tucson Marathon 2007

    Where: Actually, Oracle, AZ, to Catalina, AZ
    When: Dec 2, 2007, 7:30 am
    Web: tucsonmarathon.com
    Weather: Near perfect
    Finish: 3:59:30, 7/34 AG (W 50-54); 158/403 W, 527/1027 OA

    Short Version: Since the training didn’t go so well, I would be happy
    with a sub-4 finish. My chip time: 3:59:30. I’m happy.

    Long Version: I missed a lot of miles of training two weeks in a row,
    right around the peak of the training, and hadn’t done much in the way
    of speedwork. So I knew I wasn’t up to a PR effort this time. I saw that
    there were going to be several pace groups, and there was indeed a group
    for a 4-hour marathon, so I thought that’d be perfect, they’d keep me
    from going out too fast and pace me evenly in to a 4-hour marathon. That
    is fast enough to get me a BQ.

    I was a little worried about the weather, as it absolutely poured all
    through Friday night, and continued dribbling on Saturday. Saturday
    night it was still cloudy, though no longer raining.

    I got up at 4:15 am, as we needed to get to the buses by 5:30, and I
    live quite a ways from the parking area. I was shocked when I was close,
    there was quite a long line of cars creeping up the hill slowly. So I
    got my little Nissan in line and waited, and eventually found a parking
    spot, actually quite a good one. Then I walked over to the long line of
    school buses, and got on the first one. After a few minutes a woman sat
    beside me and we chatted for a bit as the bus pulled out and headed
    north, then eventually we both drifted off to a quick nap. The bus
    driver got lost the first time, but found the turn the second time. As
    soon as our bus pulled in line behind the others, I jumped out to get
    into the Porta-Potty line, and took care of that. I also was slightly
    thirsty (after partially eating a Clif bar on the way) and so walked
    over and got a cup of water. It was just starting to get light, and I
    suddenly realized that though we were starting in the same place as all
    the previous years, we were going to be starting going the other way!!
    And not a cloud in sight.

    I went to the drop-off bus and took off my sweats and put them into the
    drop bag. Then I found the 4:00 pace group, and said hi to the folks. I
    think I was the only local except for the leader. We walked over to the
    start area and got ready. I didn’t do any warm-up this year, as the
    leader said we’d be running 9:09-9:10 miles, probably even slower at
    first. Good, I thought.

    The race started. Of course, we walked until the chip mat, as everyone
    was all bunched up and you couldn’t run anyways. The guy next to me was
    from North Carolina and this was his first marathon. I told him to wait
    to start his watch until we were over the mat. Finally, we were past the
    mat and started to run. And run. I started to realize we were going WAY
    too fast. The guy next to me was worried; I told him we were going too
    fast. He seemed relieved, as he didn’t think he could keep up that pace.
    I missed the one-mile mark, but a woman two over, in our group saw it
    and yelped that the first mile was 8:22. Yikes. No wonder it felt too
    fast, it was way way too fast. She ran up to the leader, who was
    surrounded by several people saying “too fast!” Despite this, however,
    the second mile was 8:38, still too fast. I started to drop back some,
    as I really didn’t want to burn out from going too fast at the start. (I
    mean, that’s the whole reason I joined the group!)
    Another woman from the group joined me, and we throttled back some, but
    still kept the group in sight. We were still going sub-9, but it was now
    in the 8:50’s, so slightly fast, but much better. Somewhere around
    either 4 or 5, she and I grabbed cups at an aid station and the 4:00
    group stopped. We kept going and passed them.

    We had nice conversation for many miles. She was from the Silicon Valley
    area, and oddly we never told each other our names! This year, the
    course turned off of the highway onto Biosphere Road to make up for
    miles at the end due to some road construction. It’s a rolling climb to
    the entrance of the Biosphere, and then of course, rolling downhill back
    to the highway. On the second hill (around mile 11-12) I lost her. I was
    really hoping we’d stay together, as the talking had made the miles go
    by quickly. I did see her after I’d turned around, and she was probably
    too far back to catch up now. I made good time coming down, as I’d lost
    time the two miles going up.

    I don’t even remember much of the time between Biosphere and Oracle
    Junction, where the course turns southward. All I remember is long
    stretch of highway shoulder, but I was keeping my pace mostly sub-9:09.
    After the turn, there’s a slight uphill into Saddlebrooke. I was very
    happy that I kept the pace good there, in the past I’ve had trouble
    keeping a good pace here. Mile 20-21, I ran a solid 9:05. And I still
    felt fine.

    At the end of mile 22 I went through a rough patch. I just suddenly
    didn’t feel so perky anymore. Same with 23. As I came into 24, that
    feeling went away, and I actually started to pick up the pace. About
    then, of course, my right hip/ham decided they’d had enough, and started
    to crimp up. It wasn’t a Charlie horse, but it felt like someone was
    reeling in all the extra muscle, very tight. I had the feeling that if I
    didn’t slow down, it might cramp. I slowed, I threw my leg around,
    hopped, jumped, everything but stopped, and the tightness just didn’t
    want to go away. So close to the finish!!! We’d left the highway again,
    running slightly downhill eastward, now south again, flat, then westward
    and back uphill. I kept playing leapfrog with a couple of guys who
    looked like they might be experiencing some difficulties also. But
    there, up the hill was the finish chute. So I gritted and kept on, and
    turned to the right to see the line and clock, and realized I’d make it
    just in time.

    Oh, and no sign of the pace group. I wonder what happened?

    Splits:

    8:22
    8:38
    8:50
    8:57
    8:47
    8:39
    8:50
    8:44
    9:00
    8:57
    9:37 (up Biosphere)
    9:39 (ditto)
    8:28 (down Biosphere)
    8:56
    8:46
    8:57
    9:12 (don’t know)
    9:08
    9:27
    9:07
    9:05
    9:11
    9:47 (Feel like %^&😉
    9:53 (same)
    10:19
    10:15
    1:57

    Ahhh! Done at last. My husband rode his bike out and took some pictures,
    I’ll try to figure out where to put a few. I stopped walking for a bit
    afterwards and felt just horrible. Once I started walking it went away.
    Then I felt fine. I had a banana, and some recovery water. Then I got on
    the bus to take me back to the car, and chatted with the two fellows I’d
    leapfrogged with during the finish. My husband had already gotten to the
    car, so he could drive me home, though we decided to stop at La Salsa
    and have some deeelicious burritos.

    PS- Oddly, I recovered from this marathon exceptionally well. I’m
    already thinking about running tomorrow, as I feel fine. If it isn’t
    raining, again!

    Teresa in AZ

  2. "Teresa Bippert-Plymate" wrote
    | Tucson Marathon 2007
    |
    | Where: Actually, Oracle, AZ, to Catalina, AZ
    | When: Dec 2, 2007, 7:30 am
    | Web: tucsonmarathon.com
    | Weather: Near perfect
    | Finish: 3:59:30, 7/34 AG (W 50-54); 158/403 W, 527/1027 OA

    Great report, thanks for sharing.
    Pretty good splits through the middle miles.
    What do you think of early fast miles? did they hurt at the end or
    did they help to make up for the fatigue and cramps at the end?

  3. Teresa Bippert-Plymate said:

    Tucson Marathon 2007

    Where: Actually, Oracle, AZ, to Catalina, AZ
    When: Dec 2, 2007, 7:30 am
    Web: tucsonmarathon.com
    Weather: Near perfect
    Finish: 3:59:30, 7/34 AG (W 50-54); 158/403 W, 527/1027 OA

    ....

    Quoted message said:


    PS- Oddly, I recovered from this marathon exceptionally well. I’m
    already thinking about running tomorrow, as I feel fine. If it isn’t
    raining, again!

    Good job, Teresa. You got your sub-4. The benefits of the years of
    training are showing up in your quicker recovery time. Good thing you
    knew enough to drop back when the pace was too fast.

    Also an interesting pace-group experience, perhaps relevant to the other
    thread.

    Dot

    --
    "Often, quantity of miles is not the answer, but rather quality, i.e.
    making your traiing specific to your goals.... The key was specificity
    of training balanced with the volume." - Scott Jurek (quoted in Trail
    Runner 49:16, Dec 2007)

  4. On Dec 7, 5:06 pm, Teresa Bippert-Plymate <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Tucson Marathon 2007

    Where: Actually, Oracle, AZ, to Catalina, AZ
    When: Dec 2, 2007, 7:30 am
    Web: tucsonmarathon.com
    Weather: Near perfect
    Finish: 3:59:30, 7/34 AG (W 50-54); 158/403 W, 527/1027 OA

    Nice report, Teresa. Was this a PR? (I know this is a bad question
    ask if the answer's no...) I know just how you feel when the wheels
    come off at 22-23. But you didn't slow much -- good toughness there.

    How very apropos that we've had a thread on marathon pace groups this
    week. I'm with Dan on this -- you probably paid back a couple of
    minutes late in the race. And it wasn't just the first 2 miles, it
    was also keeping them in sight for the next couple, including that
    8:39 in mile 6.

    To be honest, the pacer sounds like a total jackass. Having been
    involved in pacing, I met a few people like that. Unless you
    personally know the pacer, I think it's better to go it alone (another
    small plug here for my "checkpoint" strategy). I hope you get a
    chance to try again with good weather and similar or better fitness
    (which must have been pretty good, even though you thought your
    training wasn't quite there).

  5. Teresa Bippert-Plymate said:

    Tucson Marathon 2007

    Where: Actually, Oracle, AZ, to Catalina, AZ
    When: Dec 2, 2007, 7:30 am
    Web: tucsonmarathon.com
    Weather: Near perfect
    Finish: 3:59:30, 7/34 AG (W 50-54); 158/403 W, 527/1027 OA

    Short Version: Since the training didn’t go so well, I would be happy
    with a sub-4 finish. My chip time: 3:59:30. I’m happy.

    Great job Teresa! And on a busted training plan. I postponed with a
    similar lapse, missing the last two critical long runs.

    Your experience gives me cause to reconsider the use of a pace group.

    Frank

    Quoted message said:

    Long Version: I missed a lot of miles of training two weeks in a row,
    right around the peak of the training, and hadn’t done much in the way
    of speedwork. So I knew I wasn’t up to a PR effort this time. I saw that
    there were going to be several pace groups, and there was indeed a group
    for a 4-hour marathon, so I thought that’d be perfect, they’d keep me
    from going out too fast and pace me evenly in to a 4-hour marathon. That
    is fast enough to get me a BQ.

    I was a little worried about the weather, as it absolutely poured all
    through Friday night, and continued dribbling on Saturday. Saturday
    night it was still cloudy, though no longer raining.

    I got up at 4:15 am, as we needed to get to the buses by 5:30, and I
    live quite a ways from the parking area. I was shocked when I was close,
    there was quite a long line of cars creeping up the hill slowly. So I
    got my little Nissan in line and waited, and eventually found a parking
    spot, actually quite a good one. Then I walked over to the long line of
    school buses, and got on the first one. After a few minutes a woman sat
    beside me and we chatted for a bit as the bus pulled out and headed
    north, then eventually we both drifted off to a quick nap. The bus
    driver got lost the first time, but found the turn the second time. As
    soon as our bus pulled in line behind the others, I jumped out to get
    into the Porta-Potty line, and took care of that. I also was slightly
    thirsty (after partially eating a Clif bar on the way) and so walked
    over and got a cup of water. It was just starting to get light, and I
    suddenly realized that though we were starting in the same place as all
    the previous years, we were going to be starting going the other way!!
    And not a cloud in sight.

    I went to the drop-off bus and took off my sweats and put them into the
    drop bag. Then I found the 4:00 pace group, and said hi to the folks. I
    think I was the only local except for the leader. We walked over to the
    start area and got ready. I didn’t do any warm-up this year, as the
    leader said we’d be running 9:09-9:10 miles, probably even slower at
    first. Good, I thought.

    The race started. Of course, we walked until the chip mat, as everyone
    was all bunched up and you couldn’t run anyways. The guy next to me was
    from North Carolina and this was his first marathon. I told him to wait
    to start his watch until we were over the mat. Finally, we were past the
    mat and started to run. And run. I started to realize we were going WAY
    too fast. The guy next to me was worried; I told him we were going too
    fast. He seemed relieved, as he didn’t think he could keep up that pace.
    I missed the one-mile mark, but a woman two over, in our group saw it
    and yelped that the first mile was 8:22. Yikes. No wonder it felt too
    fast, it was way way too fast. She ran up to the leader, who was
    surrounded by several people saying “too fast!” Despite this, however,
    the second mile was 8:38, still too fast. I started to drop back some,
    as I really didn’t want to burn out from going too fast at the start. (I
    mean, that’s the whole reason I joined the group!)
    Another woman from the group joined me, and we throttled back some, but
    still kept the group in sight. We were still going sub-9, but it was now
    in the 8:50’s, so slightly fast, but much better. Somewhere around
    either 4 or 5, she and I grabbed cups at an aid station and the 4:00
    group stopped. We kept going and passed them.

    We had nice conversation for many miles. She was from the Silicon Valley
    area, and oddly we never told each other our names! This year, the
    course turned off of the highway onto Biosphere Road to make up for
    miles at the end due to some road construction. It’s a rolling climb to
    the entrance of the Biosphere, and then of course, rolling downhill back
    to the highway. On the second hill (around mile 11-12) I lost her. I was
    really hoping we’d stay together, as the talking had made the miles go
    by quickly. I did see her after I’d turned around, and she was probably
    too far back to catch up now. I made good time coming down, as I’d lost
    time the two miles going up.

    I don’t even remember much of the time between Biosphere and Oracle
    Junction, where the course turns southward. All I remember is long
    stretch of highway shoulder, but I was keeping my pace mostly sub-9:09.
    After the turn, there’s a slight uphill into Saddlebrooke. I was very
    happy that I kept the pace good there, in the past I’ve had trouble
    keeping a good pace here. Mile 20-21, I ran a solid 9:05. And I still
    felt fine.

    At the end of mile 22 I went through a rough patch. I just suddenly
    didn’t feel so perky anymore. Same with 23. As I came into 24, that
    feeling went away, and I actually started to pick up the pace. About
    then, of course, my right hip/ham decided they’d had enough, and started
    to crimp up. It wasn’t a Charlie horse, but it felt like someone was
    reeling in all the extra muscle, very tight. I had the feeling that if I
    didn’t slow down, it might cramp. I slowed, I threw my leg around,
    hopped, jumped, everything but stopped, and the tightness just didn’t
    want to go away. So close to the finish!!! We’d left the highway again,
    running slightly downhill eastward, now south again, flat, then westward
    and back uphill. I kept playing leapfrog with a couple of guys who
    looked like they might be experiencing some difficulties also. But
    there, up the hill was the finish chute. So I gritted and kept on, and
    turned to the right to see the line and clock, and realized I’d make it
    just in time.

    Oh, and no sign of the pace group. I wonder what happened?

    Splits:

    8:22
    8:38
    8:50
    8:57
    8:47
    8:39
    8:50
    8:44
    9:00
    8:57
    9:37 (up Biosphere)
    9:39 (ditto)
    8:28 (down Biosphere)
    8:56
    8:46
    8:57
    9:12 (don’t know)
    9:08
    9:27
    9:07
    9:05
    9:11
    9:47 (Feel like %^&😉
    9:53 (same)
    10:19
    10:15
    1:57

    Ahhh! Done at last. My husband rode his bike out and took some pictures,
    I’ll try to figure out where to put a few. I stopped walking for a bit
    afterwards and felt just horrible. Once I started walking it went away.
    Then I felt fine. I had a banana, and some recovery water. Then I got on
    the bus to take me back to the car, and chatted with the two fellows I’d
    leapfrogged with during the finish. My husband had already gotten to the
    car, so he could drive me home, though we decided to stop at La Salsa
    and have some deeelicious burritos.

    PS- Oddly, I recovered from this marathon exceptionally well. I’m
    already thinking about running tomorrow, as I feel fine. If it isn’t
    raining, again!

    Teresa in AZ

  6. On Dec 7, 4:06 pm, Teresa Bippert-Plymate <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Tucson Marathon 2007

    Where: Actually, Oracle, AZ, to Catalina, AZ
    When: Dec 2, 2007, 7:30 am
    Web: tucsonmarathon.com
    Weather: Near perfect
    Finish: 3:59:30, 7/34 AG (W 50-54); 158/403 W, 527/1027 OA

    Short Version: Since the training didn't go so well, I would be happy
    with a sub-4 finish. My chip time: 3:59:30. I'm happy.

    Long Version: I missed a lot of miles of training two weeks in a row,
    right around the peak of the training, and hadn't done much in the way
    of speedwork. So I knew I wasn't up to a PR effort this time. I saw that
    there were going to be several pace groups, and there was indeed a group
    for a 4-hour marathon, so I thought that'd be perfect, they'd keep me
    from going out too fast and pace me evenly in to a 4-hour marathon. That
    is fast enough to get me a BQ.

    I was a little worried about the weather, as it absolutely poured all
    through Friday night, and continued dribbling on Saturday. Saturday
    night it was still cloudy, though no longer raining.

    I got up at 4:15 am, as we needed to get to the buses by 5:30, and I
    live quite a ways from the parking area. I was shocked when I was close,
    there was quite a long line of cars creeping up the hill slowly. So I
    got my little Nissan in line and waited, and eventually found a parking
    spot, actually quite a good one. Then I walked over to the long line of
    school buses, and got on the first one. After a few minutes a woman sat
    beside me and we chatted for a bit as the bus pulled out and headed
    north, then eventually we both drifted off to a quick nap. The bus
    driver got lost the first time, but found the turn the second time. As
    soon as our bus pulled in line behind the others, I jumped out to get
    into the Porta-Potty line, and took care of that. I also was slightly
    thirsty (after partially eating a Clif bar on the way) and so walked
    over and got a cup of water. It was just starting to get light, and I
    suddenly realized that though we were starting in the same place as all
    the previous years, we were going to be starting going the other way!!
    And not a cloud in sight.

    I went to the drop-off bus and took off my sweats and put them into the
    drop bag. Then I found the 4:00 pace group, and said hi to the folks. I
    think I was the only local except for the leader. We walked over to the
    start area and got ready. I didn't do any warm-up this year, as the
    leader said we'd be running 9:09-9:10 miles, probably even slower at
    first. Good, I thought.

    The race started. Of course, we walked until the chip mat, as everyone
    was all bunched up and you couldn't run anyways. The guy next to me was
    from North Carolina and this was his first marathon. I told him to wait
    to start his watch until we were over the mat. Finally, we were past the
    mat and started to run. And run. I started to realize we were going WAY
    too fast. The guy next to me was worried; I told him we were going too
    fast. He seemed relieved, as he didn't think he could keep up that pace.
    I missed the one-mile mark, but a woman two over, in our group saw it
    and yelped that the first mile was 8:22. Yikes. No wonder it felt too
    fast, it was way way too fast. She ran up to the leader, who was
    surrounded by several people saying "too fast!" Despite this, however,
    the second mile was 8:38, still too fast. I started to drop back some,
    as I really didn't want to burn out from going too fast at the start. (I
    mean, that's the whole reason I joined the group!)
    Another woman from the group joined me, and we throttled back some, but
    still kept the group in sight. We were still going sub-9, but it was now
    in the 8:50's, so slightly fast, but much better. Somewhere around
    either 4 or 5, she and I grabbed cups at an aid station and the 4:00
    group stopped. We kept going and passed them.

    We had nice conversation for many miles. She was from the Silicon Valley
    area, and oddly we never told each other our names! This year, the
    course turned off of the highway onto Biosphere Road to make up for
    miles at the end due to some road construction. It's a rolling climb to
    the entrance of the Biosphere, and then of course, rolling downhill back
    to the highway. On the second hill (around mile 11-12) I lost her. I was
    really hoping we'd stay together, as the talking had made the miles go
    by quickly. I did see her after I'd turned around, and she was probably
    too far back to catch up now. I made good time coming down, as I'd lost
    time the two miles going up.

    I don't even remember much of the time between Biosphere and Oracle
    Junction, where the course turns southward. All I remember is long
    stretch of highway shoulder, but I was keeping my pace mostly sub-9:09.
    After the turn, there's a slight uphill into Saddlebrooke. I was very
    happy that I kept the pace good there, in the past I've had trouble
    keeping a good pace here. Mile 20-21, I ran a solid 9:05. And I still
    felt fine.

    At the end of mile 22 I went through a rough patch. I just suddenly
    didn't feel so perky anymore. Same with 23. As I came into 24, that
    feeling went away, and I actually started to pick up the pace. About
    then, of course, my right hip/ham decided they'd had enough, and started
    to crimp up. It wasn't a Charlie horse, but it felt like someone was
    reeling in all the extra muscle, very tight. I had the feeling that if I
    didn't slow down, it might cramp. I slowed, I threw my leg around,
    hopped, jumped, everything but stopped, and the tightness just didn't
    want to go away. So close to the finish!!! We'd left the highway again,
    running slightly downhill eastward, now south again, flat, then westward
    and back uphill. I kept playing leapfrog with a couple of guys who
    looked like they might be experiencing some difficulties also. But
    there, up the hill was the finish chute. So I gritted and kept on, and
    turned to the right to see the line and clock, and realized I'd make it
    just in time.

    Oh, and no sign of the pace group. I wonder what happened?

    Splits:

    8:22
    8:38
    8:50
    8:57
    8:47
    8:39
    8:50
    8:44
    9:00
    8:57
    9:37 (up Biosphere)
    9:39 (ditto)
    8:28 (down Biosphere)
    8:56
    8:46
    8:57
    9:12 (don't know)
    9:08
    9:27
    9:07
    9:05
    9:11
    9:47 (Feel like %^&😉
    9:53 (same)
    10:19
    10:15
    1:57

    Ahhh! Done at last. My husband rode his bike out and took some pictures,
    I'll try to figure out where to put a few. I stopped walking for a bit
    afterwards and felt just horrible. Once I started walking it went away.
    Then I felt fine. I had a banana, and some recovery water. Then I got on
    the bus to take me back to the car, and chatted with the two fellows I'd
    leapfrogged with during the finish. My husband had already gotten to the
    car, so he could drive me home, though we decided to stop at La Salsa
    and have some deeelicious burritos.

    PS- Oddly, I recovered from this marathon exceptionally well. I'm
    already thinking about running tomorrow, as I feel fine. If it isn't
    raining, again!

    Teresa in AZ

    Teresa: Nice race and a fine report. Thanks and congratulations.

    I'm with Dan on the cost of starting out hot. I did it once and it
    cost me my goal. It was almost identical to what happened to you, and
    I knew I had trained sufficiently for a sub-4, but it didn't happen.
    You toughed out a difficlut situation. Good work.

    brianj

  7. On Dec 7, 4:06 pm, Teresa Bippert-Plymate <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Tucson Marathon 2007

    Where: Actually, Oracle, AZ, to Catalina, AZ
    When: Dec 2, 2007, 7:30 am
    Web: tucsonmarathon.com
    Weather: Near perfect
    Finish: 3:59:30, 7/34 AG (W 50-54); 158/403 W, 527/1027 OA

    Short Version: Since the training didn't go so well, I would be happy
    with a sub-4 finish. My chip time: 3:59:30. I'm happy.

    Long Version: I missed a lot of miles of training two weeks in a row,
    right around the peak of the training, and hadn't done much in the way
    of speedwork. So I knew I wasn't up to a PR effort this time. I saw that
    there were going to be several pace groups, and there was indeed a group
    for a 4-hour marathon, so I thought that'd be perfect, they'd keep me
    from going out too fast and pace me evenly in to a 4-hour marathon. That
    is fast enough to get me a BQ.

    I was a little worried about the weather, as it absolutely poured all
    through Friday night, and continued dribbling on Saturday. Saturday
    night it was still cloudy, though no longer raining.

    I got up at 4:15 am, as we needed to get to the buses by 5:30, and I
    live quite a ways from the parking area. I was shocked when I was close,
    there was quite a long line of cars creeping up the hill slowly. So I
    got my little Nissan in line and waited, and eventually found a parking
    spot, actually quite a good one. Then I walked over to the long line of
    school buses, and got on the first one. After a few minutes a woman sat
    beside me and we chatted for a bit as the bus pulled out and headed
    north, then eventually we both drifted off to a quick nap. The bus
    driver got lost the first time, but found the turn the second time. As
    soon as our bus pulled in line behind the others, I jumped out to get
    into the Porta-Potty line, and took care of that. I also was slightly
    thirsty (after partially eating a Clif bar on the way) and so walked
    over and got a cup of water. It was just starting to get light, and I
    suddenly realized that though we were starting in the same place as all
    the previous years, we were going to be starting going the other way!!
    And not a cloud in sight.

    I went to the drop-off bus and took off my sweats and put them into the
    drop bag. Then I found the 4:00 pace group, and said hi to the folks. I
    think I was the only local except for the leader. We walked over to the
    start area and got ready. I didn't do any warm-up this year, as the
    leader said we'd be running 9:09-9:10 miles, probably even slower at
    first. Good, I thought.

    The race started. Of course, we walked until the chip mat, as everyone
    was all bunched up and you couldn't run anyways. The guy next to me was
    from North Carolina and this was his first marathon. I told him to wait
    to start his watch until we were over the mat. Finally, we were past the
    mat and started to run. And run. I started to realize we were going WAY
    too fast. The guy next to me was worried; I told him we were going too
    fast. He seemed relieved, as he didn't think he could keep up that pace.
    I missed the one-mile mark, but a woman two over, in our group saw it
    and yelped that the first mile was 8:22. Yikes. No wonder it felt too
    fast, it was way way too fast. She ran up to the leader, who was
    surrounded by several people saying "too fast!" Despite this, however,
    the second mile was 8:38, still too fast. I started to drop back some,
    as I really didn't want to burn out from going too fast at the start. (I
    mean, that's the whole reason I joined the group!)
    Another woman from the group joined me, and we throttled back some, but
    still kept the group in sight. We were still going sub-9, but it was now
    in the 8:50's, so slightly fast, but much better. Somewhere around
    either 4 or 5, she and I grabbed cups at an aid station and the 4:00
    group stopped. We kept going and passed them.

    We had nice conversation for many miles. She was from the Silicon Valley
    area, and oddly we never told each other our names! This year, the
    course turned off of the highway onto Biosphere Road to make up for
    miles at the end due to some road construction. It's a rolling climb to
    the entrance of the Biosphere, and then of course, rolling downhill back
    to the highway. On the second hill (around mile 11-12) I lost her. I was
    really hoping we'd stay together, as the talking had made the miles go
    by quickly. I did see her after I'd turned around, and she was probably
    too far back to catch up now. I made good time coming down, as I'd lost
    time the two miles going up.

    I don't even remember much of the time between Biosphere and Oracle
    Junction, where the course turns southward. All I remember is long
    stretch of highway shoulder, but I was keeping my pace mostly sub-9:09.
    After the turn, there's a slight uphill into Saddlebrooke. I was very
    happy that I kept the pace good there, in the past I've had trouble
    keeping a good pace here. Mile 20-21, I ran a solid 9:05. And I still
    felt fine.

    At the end of mile 22 I went through a rough patch. I just suddenly
    didn't feel so perky anymore. Same with 23. As I came into 24, that
    feeling went away, and I actually started to pick up the pace. About
    then, of course, my right hip/ham decided they'd had enough, and started
    to crimp up. It wasn't a Charlie horse, but it felt like someone was
    reeling in all the extra muscle, very tight. I had the feeling that if I
    didn't slow down, it might cramp. I slowed, I threw my leg around,
    hopped, jumped, everything but stopped, and the tightness just didn't
    want to go away. So close to the finish!!! We'd left the highway again,
    running slightly downhill eastward, now south again, flat, then westward
    and back uphill. I kept playing leapfrog with a couple of guys who
    looked like they might be experiencing some difficulties also. But
    there, up the hill was the finish chute. So I gritted and kept on, and
    turned to the right to see the line and clock, and realized I'd make it
    just in time.

    Oh, and no sign of the pace group. I wonder what happened?

    Splits:

    8:22
    8:38
    8:50
    8:57
    8:47
    8:39
    8:50
    8:44
    9:00
    8:57
    9:37 (up Biosphere)
    9:39 (ditto)
    8:28 (down Biosphere)
    8:56
    8:46
    8:57
    9:12 (don't know)
    9:08
    9:27
    9:07
    9:05
    9:11
    9:47 (Feel like %^&😉
    9:53 (same)
    10:19
    10:15
    1:57

    Ahhh! Done at last. My husband rode his bike out and took some pictures,
    I'll try to figure out where to put a few. I stopped walking for a bit
    afterwards and felt just horrible. Once I started walking it went away.
    Then I felt fine. I had a banana, and some recovery water. Then I got on
    the bus to take me back to the car, and chatted with the two fellows I'd
    leapfrogged with during the finish. My husband had already gotten to the
    car, so he could drive me home, though we decided to stop at La Salsa
    and have some deeelicious burritos.

    PS- Oddly, I recovered from this marathon exceptionally well. I'm
    already thinking about running tomorrow, as I feel fine. If it isn't
    raining, again!

    Teresa in AZ

    Teresa: Nice race and a fine report. Thanks and congratulations.

    I'm with Dan on the cost of starting out hot. I did it once and it
    cost me my goal. It was almost identical to what happened to you, and
    I knew I had trained sufficiently for a sub-4, but it didn't happen.
    You toughed out a difficlut situation. Good work.

    brianj

  8. Teresa Bippert-Plymate said:

    Tucson Marathon 2007

    Where: Actually, Oracle, AZ, to Catalina, AZ
    When: Dec 2, 2007, 7:30 am
    Web: tucsonmarathon.com
    Weather: Near perfect
    Finish: 3:59:30, 7/34 AG (W 50-54); 158/403 W, 527/1027 OA

    Short Version: Since the training didn’t go so well, I would be happy
    with a sub-4 finish. My chip time: 3:59:30. I’m happy.
    ....

    Nice Report. When did they change the course? 5 years ago while
    visiting Tucson I ran the 1/2M. I think both finished at the El
    Conquistador Hotel. Where in Catalina was the finish?
    You proabably came within a couple of miles of my new house!

    --
    Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

  9. "Teresa Bippert-Plymate" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Tucson Marathon 2007

    Where: Actually, Oracle, AZ, to Catalina, AZ
    When: Dec 2, 2007, 7:30 am
    Web: tucsonmarathon.com
    Weather: Near perfect
    Finish: 3:59:30, 7/34 AG (W 50-54); 158/403 W, 527/1027 OA


    ....

    Quoted message said:

    PS- Oddly, I recovered from this marathon exceptionally well. I’m already
    thinking about running tomorrow, as I feel fine. If it isn’t raining,
    again!

    Teresa in AZ

    Congrats on another fine race Teresa! Nice job choosing your own pace. Any
    more trail races in the works? Heck if I recovered as well as you do after
    long runs/races I'd probably do more ultras because it's fun being out
    there - but not if it affects your running for 6 months.

    -Tony

  10. Michael/Michelle has made its triumphant return to RRing. The question is:
    where was he? Pre-op exams? Hormonal level tests? Getting measured for his
    new vagina? Please speak Michael/Michelle.

  11. Good tough race Teresa! Thanks for the report.

    I'm with all the others on problems that pacers can cause,
    and the too-fast start costing you many times over at the
    back end. I wouldn't deliberately run with a pacer, but in the one
    major race I've run (London 2005), the sub-3 pacer started
    way too fast, and seeing him ahead of me caused me to speed up and
    start too fast...

    Congrats on the BQ!

    Anthony.

  12. I'll try posting this for a second time.

    Quoted message said:

    Tucson Marathon 2007

    Where: Actually, Oracle, AZ, to Catalina, AZ
    When: Dec 2, 2007, 7:30 am
    Web: tucsonmarathon.com
    Weather: Near perfect
    Finish: 3:59:30, 7/34 AG (W 50-54); 158/403 W, 527/1027 OA

    Short Version: Since the training didn’t go so well, I would be happy
    with a sub-4 finish. My chip time: 3:59:30. I’m happy.
    ....

    Nice Report. When did they change the course? 5 years ago while
    visiting Tucson I ran the 1/2M. I think both finished at the El
    Conquistador Hotel. Where in Catalina was the finish?
    You proabably came within a couple of miles of my new house!

    --
    Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

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