Tubulars Still?

Most of them run tubulars, they are lighter and have better roadhandling. But in the heat they can
get loose from the rim; poor Beloki

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Do most or all of the riders in Le tour still run tubulars? I assume so even though clinchers have
made in roads in many other races.

Raymo853 said:

Do most or all of the riders in Le tour still run tubulars? I assume so even though clinchers have
made in roads in many other races.

If you watch very closely, you'll notice that the tubular got off the rim when he was at right
angles to the road. I think it was a result of his skidding, and not the cause of his crash.

And a lot of teams are running on clinchers these days too. Michelin Axial Pro's (those light blue
tires) are quite common really.

After seeing it a few more times, I wonder how much Beloki's bike handling skills played a part in
his crash?

Even after the tire came off he could've tried to keep the bike straighter - especially if the field
was obviously flat - and rode into the field like Lance. Turns and skids just don't go together.

Lance also locked up his rear sideways if you noticed.

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Do most or all of the riders in Le tour still run tubulars? I assume so even though clinchers have
made in roads in many other races.

Banesto used to run clinchers for the mountain stages during the Indurain reign.

I did not see it just hear the descriptions, however if he rolled a tire and was on metal I assume
the amount of grip he had was functionally zero at those speeds. I don't think anyone regardless of
skills could handle a bike like that.

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After seeing it a few more times, I wonder how much Beloki's bike handling skills played a part in
his crash?

Even after the tire came off he could've tried to keep the bike straighter - especially if the
field was obviously flat - and rode into the field like Lance. Turns and skids just don't go
together.

Lance also locked up his rear sideways if you noticed.

I've lost a tire off-road a few times without mishap. On the road, can't you just point straight and
drag the rear wheel? Would Beloki have had to have locked up the front too to go down like that
instead of skidding straight into the field ahead?

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I did not see it just hear the descriptions, however if he rolled a tire and was on metal I assume
the amount of grip he had was functionally zero at those speeds. I don't think anyone regardless of
skills could handle a bike like that.

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Banesto used to run clinchers for the mountain stages during the Indurain reign

vittoria open pros wasnt it? mig was big jc

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Beloki would have cratered into the ditch that Lance happened to miss. I do believe Beloki would
have faired better on clinchers. He recovered well, then the tire rolled on him. As far as the
pursuit, I don't believe it was a deal with Beloki and Armstrong where Beloki decided to lead. I
believe it was Lance conserving energy and his need to not let Beloki get away with a breakaway.
Venokourov's breakaway would have only diminished with 2 top riders on his tail. Lance may have even
have had enough to jump past Beloki in the sprint to the line...we'll never know.

God speed the healing to Beloki...Geez that was a slam.

NS

Beloki could have managed mishap better, it was the rear wheel, he panicked, for a moment he was
straight! he should've released the brakes and aimed for the field. I had a similar problem but it
was on loose gravel in a turn at bottom of a hill, I skidded with brakes locked then I released
brakes and stayed upright. If it was a front wheel loosing tire, one goes down...

Lance mentioned he panicked then quickly changed sentence... <paul

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I've lost a tire off-road a few times without mishap. On the road, can't you just point straight
and drag the rear wheel? Would Beloki have had to have locked up the front too to go down like
that instead of skidding straight into the field ahead?

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I did not see it just hear the descriptions, however if he rolled a tire

and

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was on metal I assume the amount of grip he had was functionally zero at those speeds. I don't
think anyone regardless of skills could handle a

bike

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like that.

Anyone who's rolled a tubular on a fast descent knows he couldn't have done anything more, as he was
already committed to the corner when the rear locked and hopped sideways. The thing that occurred to
me was whether the notoriously-poor brake modulation of carbon rims was a factor, as I'd seen some
pics from earlier stages where Once were running them. He did in fact get it back, but then it
highsided him over the top when the rim bit. Ouch. Been there before, with a broken collarbone as a
souvenir. Happens way too fast for you to do anything about it but hope to bounce well.

A real shame for both Beloki and race fans, but that's the tour. They should call this one the
Tour de Crash.

Paul said:

Beloki could have managed mishap better, it was the rear wheel, he panicked, for a moment he was
straight! he should've released the brakes and aimed for the field. I had a similar problem but it
was on loose gravel in a turn at bottom of a hill, I skidded with brakes locked then I released
brakes and stayed upright. If it was a front wheel loosing tire, one goes down...

At what speed?

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Lance mentioned he panicked then quickly changed sentence... <paul

Steve Blankenship said:

The thing that occurred to me was whether the notoriously-poor brake modulation of carbon rims was
a factor, as I'd seen some pics from earlier stages where Once were running them.

There's a pic of his bike from yesterday near the bottom of this page:
olntv.comtech2.htmlOpen ↗

And during the crash: velonews.comview full.phpOpen ↗. jpg

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Steve Blankenship said:

The thing that occurred to me was whether the notoriously-poor brake modulation of carbon rims
was a factor, as I'd

seen

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some pics from earlier stages where Once were running them.

There's a pic of his bike from yesterday near the bottom of this page:
olntv.comtech2.htmlOpen ↗

And during the crash: velonews.comview full.phpOpen ↗. jpg

Yup; carbon rims. But the latest reports are that the tire blew, which is what caused the
skid/crash. Armstrong said he heard the bang of the exploding tire, then Beloki went flying. Damned
shame; they're saying he has a broken femur.

velonews.comview full.phpOpen ↗

corrected link.

According to the spanish sports diary "Diario As", Beloki has suffered a fracture of the right
Trochanter, and fracture of the right arm Radius (open) and Cubit (clean).

Ouch!!! Poor guy. He was in the best shape of his life!

Does anyone know how to address a card to send to Beloki? Maybe ONCE's address?

Thanks, Mark Janeba

Alex Beascoechea said:

According to the spanish sports diary "Diario As", Beloki has suffered a fracture of the right
Trochanter, and fracture of the right arm Radius (open) and Cubit (clean).

Ouch!!! Poor guy. He was in the best shape of his life!

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Does anyone know how to address a card to send to Beloki? Maybe ONCE's address?

212.0.101.166default.aspOpen ↗

212.0.101.166imagenes.aspOpen ↗ tanda=21

These are pages for the ONCE team for this year. The first is the index page and the second is a
barch of photos from the accident. I think there is a link to contact the team.

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Thanks, Mark Janeba

Alex Beascoechea said:

According to the spanish sports diary "Diario As", Beloki has suffered a fracture of the right
Trochanter, and fracture of the right arm Radius (open) and Cubit (clean).

Ouch!!! Poor guy. He was in the best shape of his life!

Nick Burns said:

"Mark Janeba" wrote

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Does anyone know how to address a card to send to Beloki? Maybe ONCE's address?

212.0.101.166default.aspOpen ↗
212.0.101.166imagenes.aspOpen ↗ tanda=21 These are
pages for the ONCE team for this year. The first is the index page and the second is a barch of
photos from the accident. I think there is a link to contact the team.

Thanks, but I had already found those, and I don't see a link (after much hunting). They *do* give
the address and phone number of the hotel in France where (I assume) the team is staying for the
next few days, but there is no permanent address (email or snail) that I could find there.

Can anybody find a contact link on these pages or have any other ideas?

Thanks,

Mark Janeba

their website: ciclista.once.esciclista.once.esOpen ↗

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ie "ride fast, take chances"

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Nick Burns said:

"Mark Janeba" wrote

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Does anyone know how to address a card to send to Beloki? Maybe ONCE's address?

212.0.101.166default.aspOpen ↗

212.0.101.166imagenes.aspOpen ↗

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tanda=21 These are pages for the ONCE team for this year. The first is the index

page

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and the second is a barch of photos from the accident. I think there is

a

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link to contact the team.

Thanks, but I had already found those, and I don't see a link (after much hunting). They *do* give
the address and phone number of the hotel in France where (I assume) the team is staying for the
next few days, but there is no permanent address (email or snail) that I could find

there.

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Can anybody find a contact link on these pages or have any other ideas?

Thanks,

Mark Janeba