Tubular Base tape replacement

emory-<< I have a set of tubular tire that when they were removed from the wheels the base tape was
pulled off the tire in one intance and in the other the base tape was torn. I would like to use
these tires again but am unclear how to fix them. Putting new base tape on seems the best solutionn
but where to get it and what to glue it on with.

Send it to 'Tire Alert', they can replace the base tape correctly.

<< One person told me just to skip the base tape (that it was really just to protect the threads so
that you could repair the tire) this solution seems questionable.

Yep, those pesky threads...yes, ignore this advice.

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Quoted message said:

Send it to 'Tire Alert', they can replace the base tape correctly.

Hi Peter, I don't know about your experience w/Tire Alert, but mine was disappointing.

I sent them 2 Conti Competitions and TA returned them witha very thin tape applied. Additionally,
the adhesive was all over the sidewalls in many spots and threads from the tape werecoming off
the edges.

A tire that once fit very snugly to the rim now fit pretty loosely. When I called them, they just
told me to make sure that I firmly glued the tire. They never offered an explanation for the sloppy
workmanship.

When I removed one of the TA-repaired tires from a rim, the entire TA base tape stayed on the rim.
The adhesive that TA uses never really fully cures.

End of tire.

For $20/tire, which includes ripping open the tubbie, replacing the tube with a standard butyl tube,
restitching the tire, and return postage paid, there isn't much room for profit. I would much rather
pay the extra $$ for them to either just open the tire and mend the original tube, or use factory
quality base tape.

Comments from others?

Jan Pinkowish Bristol, CT

My experience with TA was the opposite, very good repair job. I can't speak for all of their work
but I wouldn't hesitiate to send my highest quality tires with simple punctures to them again.

Brook

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Quoted message said:

Send it to 'Tire Alert', they can replace the base tape correctly.

Hi Peter, I don't know about your experience w/Tire Alert, but mine was disappointing.

I sent them 2 Conti Competitions and TA returned them witha very thin tape applied. Additionally,
the adhesive was all over the sidewalls in many spots and threads from the tape werecoming off
the edges.

A tire that once fit very snugly to the rim now fit pretty loosely. When I called them, they just
told me to make sure that I firmly glued the tire. They never offered an explanation for the
sloppy workmanship.

When I removed one of the TA-repaired tires from a rim, the entire TA base tape stayed on the rim.
The adhesive that TA uses never really fully cures.

End of tire.

For $20/tire, which includes ripping open the tubbie, replacing the tube with a standard butyl
tube, restitching the tire, and return postage paid, there isn't much room for profit. I would
much rather pay the extra $$ for them to either just open the tire and mend the original tube, or
use factory quality base tape.

Comments from others?

Jan Pinkowish Bristol, CT

Emory Ball said:

I have a set of tubular tire that when they were removed from the wheels the base tape was pulled
off the tire in one intance and in the other the base tape was torn. I would like to use these
tires again but am unclear how to fix them. Putting new base tape on seems the best solutionn but
where to get it and what to glue it on with. One person told me just to skip the base tape (that
it was really just to protect the threads so that you could repair the tire) this solution seems
questionable.

If you are going to ride tubular tires, today even more than when they were the mainstream, you
should become proficient in their repair. This is both for cost and reliability reasons, the second
may be more important than the first. If your base tapes are not worn through, even if they have
tears in them, can be glued back in place with latex rubber emulsion.

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Quoted message said:

emory-<< I have a set of tubular tire that when they were removed from the wheels the base tape
was pulled off the tire in one intance and in the other the base tape was torn. I would like to
use these tires again but am unclear how to fix them. Putting new base tape on seems the best
solutionn but where to get it and what to glue it on with.

Send it to 'Tire Alert', they can replace the base tape correctly.

<< One person told me just to skip the base tape (that it was really just to protect the threads
so that you could repair the tire) this solution seems questionable.

Yep, those pesky threads...yes, ignore this advice.

Peter Chisholm Vecchio's Bicicletteria 1833 Pearl St. Boulder, CO, 80302
(303)440-3535 vecchios.comvecchios.comOpen ↗ "Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"

Thanks that was the trick and pretty cheap too. Emory

Jan Pinkowish said:

Quoted message said:

Send it to 'Tire Alert', they can replace the base tape correctly.

Quoted message said:

I don't know about your experience w/Tire Alert, but mine was disappointing. I sent them 2 Conti
Competitions and TA returned them with a very thin tape applied. Additionally, the adhesive was
all over the sidewalls in many spots and threads from the tape were coming off the edges.

Quoted message said:

A tire that once fit very snugly to the rim now fit pretty loosely. When I called them, they just
told me to make sure that I firmly glued the tire. They never offered an explanation for the
sloppy workmanship.

Quoted message said:

When I removed one of the TA-repaired tires from a rim, the entire TA base tape stayed on the rim.
The adhesive that TA uses never really fully cures.

Quoted message said:

End of tire.

Quoted message said:

For $20/tire, which includes ripping open the tubbie, replacing the tube with a standard butyl
tube, re-stitching the tire, and return postage paid, there isn't much room for profit. I would
much rather pay the extra $$ for them to either just open the tire and mend the original tube, or
use factory quality base tape.

Replacing a tube does not require opening the entire seam. How to do this in the privacy f your own
home is explained in the FAQ:

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As I said, for reliability reasons, you should repair your own tubular tires. By the way, if you
regularly ride tubulars, there will be tires that are slashed or otherwise irreparable and from
these, tubes and base tapes can be salvaged for repairs.

Jobst Brandt [email hidden] Palo Alto CA

Jpinkowish said:

When I removed one of the TA-repaired tires from a rim, the entire TA base tape stayed on the rim.
The adhesive that TA uses never really fully cures.

That is nonsense. What did they use to glue the tape on?

In all my years of repairng tubular tires (thankfully behind me), I never had to replace a base
tape. The tape outlasts the rest of the tire. I also never replaced a tube -- well, I did throw away
the tire if the valve went, though.

Quoted message said:

For $20/tire, which includes ripping open the tubbie, replacing the tube with a standard butyl
tube, restitching the tire, and return postage paid, there isn't much room for profit.

Why on Earth replace the tube? Have they never heard of patches? Have they never thought that
re-stitching the whole casing weakens it (from occasional damge done to the cords by the needle)?
And they replace your super-light latex tube with a $2 butyl tube. How nice.

Quoted message said:

I would much rather pay the extra $$ for them to either just open the tire and mend the original
tube, or use factory quality base tape.

Comments from others?

If you are going to bother with tubulars, then own the entire experience, including flat repair. If
you can't be bothered, do what the rest of us do; get clinchers. But this is nonsense. Paying
someone to repair a tire is one thing, paying good money for base tape that is improperly glued and
unnecessary replacement of the tube is another.

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David L. Johnson said:

Quoted message said:

When I removed one of the TA-repaired tires from a rim, the entire TA base tape stayed on the
rim. The adhesive that TA uses never really fully cures.

Quoted message said:

That is nonsense. What did they use to glue the tape on?

I concur. Unless someone unskilled in the art did the job, the base tape was most likely secured
with latex solution. Of course with cheap labor it is always possible that some jerk used rubber
patching solution, who knows.

Quoted message said:

In all my years of repairing tubular tires (thankfully behind me), I never had to replace a base
tape. The tape outlasts the rest of the tire. I also never replaced a tube -- well, I did throw
away the tire if the valve went, though.

That's probably because you didn't descend "hot rim" braking mountains enough. My base tapes barely
lasted the life of the tire and on occasion, wore through. That's what the two dark grey strips are
on the tape, aluminum oxide.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

For $20/tire, which includes ripping open the tubbie, replacing the tube with a standard butyl
tube, re-stitching the tire, and return postage paid, there isn't much room for profit.

Quoted message said:

Why on Earth replace the tube? Have they never heard of patches? Have they never thought that
re-stitching the whole casing weakens it (from occasional damage done to the cords by the needle)?
And they replace your super-light latex tube with a $2 butyl tube. How nice.

There are several occasions where a tube replacement is needed but I don't know that this was one of
them. As I suggested, read the tubular repair item in the FAQ where tube replacement is explained.
It does not require opening any more tire than a patch and boot requires.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I would much rather pay the extra $$ for them to either just open the tire and mend the original
tube, or use factory quality base tape.

Quoted message said:

If you are going to bother with tubulars, then own the entire experience, including flat repair.
If you can't be bothered, do what the rest of us do; get clinchers. But this is nonsense. Paying
someone to repair a tire is one thing, paying good money for base tape that is improperly glued
and unnecessary replacement of the tube is another.

Amen!

Jobst Brandt [email hidden] Palo Alto CA

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Quoted message said:

If you are going to ride tubular tires, today even more than when they were the mainstream, you
should become proficient in their repair. This is both for cost and reliability reasons, the
second may be more important than the first. If your base tapes are not worn through, even if they
have tears in them, can be glued back in place with latex rubber emulsion.

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Jobst Brandt [email hidden] Palo Alto CA

Ok I'm game but the base tape has the worst case of gunked up glue all over it where someone went
over board gluing. I managed to get the excess off the rims but thought it might be easier to just
the replace the base tape since it was torn on one tire and lose on another. I don't have any old
tubies or spare base tape so I though I might send it to someone who did. Any ides there.

As far as learning to repair what you use I agree. Tubulars are bit more work, that is why I only
race on them and only certian wheels. I won't argue if they are any better or worse that clinchers
that point has been done to death.

Thanks for your time. Emory Ball

Emory Ball writes:

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OK I'm game but the base tape has the worst case of gunked up glue all over it where someone went
over board gluing. I managed to get the excess off the rims but thought it might be easier to just
the replace the base tape since it was torn on one tire and lose on another. I don't have any old
tubies or spare base tape so I though I might send it to someone who did. Any ideas there.

Lay the tire aside and put on a new one. It can't take all that long to develop a worn out tubular
whose base tape you can steal to repair this one. Get some latex solution and become proficient in
the art... and read that FAQ item.

Jobst Brandt [email hidden] Palo Alto CA

jobst.brand said:

this one. Get some latex solution and become proficient in the art... and read that FAQ item.

As a follow-up to those who don't know what the "latex solution" that Jobst refers to is: Go to a
carpet supply house. No one else will have
it. Ask specifically for latex emulsion, and if that draws a blank ask for seam sealer and read the
label. I got a quart of it for $9 -- which is more than a lifetime supply -- and it works
perfectly.

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