Tubeless Tires

Scott Anderson said:

Well I drifted down to a shop today, being the first day
above 15C this year. I was checking out the Michelin tires
and was quite shocked to see the pricing. The Comp S
tubeless tire was $94. Does that seem odd to anyone? The
Comp S tube tire was $74. Does THAT seem odd to anyone??
Not sure what the big deal is with tubeless, but you pay
$20 extra not including different rims. And to me, $94 for
a bicycle tire seems a bit much. My last motorcycle front
was $124.

If you take your bicycling seriously, cost is not an
issue,... at least not one the modern bicyclist mentions.
It's like the owner of a huge SUV complaining about the
price of gasoline.

Don't buy that stuff. Admit it, the stuff is way out of line
in price and utility. When are we going to see the demise of
all this extravagance? By the way, my truck is bigger than
yours, has more expensive and larger wheels and has eight
exhaust pipes. I can afford it, but maybe you can't. Ho Ho.

Get tubeless tire$ now!

Jobst Brandt [email hidden]

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Quoted message said:

Well I drifted down to a shop today, being the first day
above 15C this year. I was checking out the Michelin tires
and was quite shocked to see the pricing. The Comp S
tubeless tire was $94. Does that seem odd to anyone? The
Comp S tube tire was $74. Does THAT seem odd to anyone??

Not

Quoted message said:

sure what the big deal is with tubeless, but you pay $20
extra not

including

Quoted message said:

different rims. And to me, $94 for a bicycle tire seems a
bit much. My last motorcycle front was $124.

Cheers,

Scott..

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Scott Anderson

ICBM: 43.41 N 79.38 W

I see you've already heard from Jobst. On his recco a few
years back I started riding Avocet Fasgrip TT 30 tires.
They were awesome. Had to have my LBS special order them,
but it was worth it since they cost at least $15 less than
what other tires were going for at the time. But alas ...
Avocet got on the marketing glitz bandwagon and now all
their stuff is sky high. I can't get the Fasgrip TT 30s
here in rural SC anymore.

So I buy up closeouts from the catalogs. My recent favorites
have been Paribas ... made by Vredestein. Nashbar has them
in their catalog for $25 but they're only $15 on the
website. They're awesome little tires. Oh ... you've gotta
be willing to live with yellow. Still, nice tires --
especially for the price.

I'm a high mileage rider and I'm into having good equipment
and all. I'm not a retro grouch or anything. But paying $50
for a tire, IMHO, is just stupid.

Oh ... and if anyone is buying those new Giro helmets that
cost $189 ... forget it ... you've apparently already fallen
on your head and it's too late for you.

Bob C.

On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 00:08:38 GMT, [email hidden], in

a rare moment of humorous intent said:

Don't buy that stuff. Admit it, the stuff is way out of
line in price and utility. When are we going to see the
demise of all this extravagance? By the way, my truck is
bigger than yours, has more expensive and larger wheels and
has eight exhaust pipes. I can afford it, but maybe you
can't. Ho Ho.

Get tubeless tire$ now!

At least no one has yet marketed a bike wheel with a free-
spinning decorative disc between the spoke rows.

Of course, having mentioned the concept, I'm sure some style-
driven marketing fool will be on the phone to a manufacturer
in China to get the process rolling before Monday...if it
hasn't already begun.

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On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 20:44:40 -0400, "psycholist"

may have said:

Oh ... and if anyone is buying those new Giro helmets that
cost $189 ... forget it ... you've apparently already
fallen on your head and it's too late for you.

Oh, but the merely $189 helmets are so "last week", there's
an even pricier one now.

nashbar.comresults.cfmOpen ↗
1045&storetype=&estoreid=&init=y&pagename=

The "Lone Star Special Edition" is just $225!

Doesn't that just inspire you to grab one immediately? (As
for the question of "one what?", we'll leave that to
individual choice.)

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On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 20:44:40 -0400, "psycholist"
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<snip>

Quoted message said:

Oh ... and if anyone is buying those new Giro helmets that
cost $189 ... forget it ... you've apparently already
fallen on your head and it's too late for you.

Amusing to see how the rhetoric has changed over time.

Miscatonic said:

Quoted message said:

Oh... and if anyone is buying those new Giro helmets that
cost $189... forget it... you've apparently already
fallen on your head and it's too late for you.

Quoted message said:

Oh, but the merely $189 helmets are so "last week",
there's an even pricier one now.

tinyurl.com25l6nOpen ↗

Quoted message said:

The "Lone Star Special Edition" is just $225! Doesn't that
just inspire you to grab one immediately? (As for the
question of "one what?", we'll leave that to individual
choice.)

From that page:

| The latest statement of Texas pride (or Lance envy) on the
| lightest thing to come out of the wizard works of Giro
| Helmets, yet. A huge lone star adorns this bright red,
| white and blue brain cage. Featuring 26 wind tunnel vents,
| new carbon reinforced shell, interior strap anchors and
| RocLoc 4 fit system topped off with a 5 piece in mold
| shell. Helmet Pod included.

It's nice to see we have returned to the pre 1970
"hairnet" helmet or its equivalent. I thought there was
some test these things had to pass but that must be a drop
test, one in which you drop the helmet on the lawn to see
if it falls apart.

tinyurl.com3cp5cOpen ↗

Jobst Brandt [email hidden]

On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 03:57:34 GMT, [email hidden] may

have said:

Miscatonic said:

Quoted message said:

Oh... and if anyone is buying those new Giro helmets
that cost $189... forget it... you've apparently already
fallen on your head and it's too late for you.

Quoted message said:

Oh, but the merely $189 helmets are so "last week",
there's an even pricier one now.

tinyurl.com25l6nOpen ↗

Quoted message said:

The "Lone Star Special Edition" is just $225! Doesn't
that just inspire you to grab one immediately? (As for
the question of "one what?", we'll leave that to
individual choice.)

From that page:

| The latest statement of Texas pride (or Lance envy) on
| the lightest thing to come out of the wizard works of
| Giro Helmets, yet. A huge lone star adorns this bright
| red, white and blue brain cage. Featuring 26 wind tunnel
| vents, new carbon reinforced shell, interior strap
| anchors and RocLoc 4 fit system topped off with a 5 piece
| in mold shell. Helmet Pod included.

It's nice to see we have returned to the pre 1970
"hairnet" helmet or its equivalent. I thought there was
some test these things had to pass but that must be a drop
test, one in which you drop the helmet on the lawn to see
if it falls apart.

tinyurl.com3cp5cOpen ↗

I have begun to hope that perhaps the reasoning behind the
pricing is that in a case where the purchaser is willing to
pay the price for the helmet, the likelihood is smaller that
there's anything to protect. (I think somebody else had a
similar observation.)

As for the testing, I think it's restricted to this:

If dropped, will it achieve these two results:

1. Hit the ground.
2. Not break.

I didn't go out and watch the start of the MS150 this
morning, but it might have been amusing to see if there were
any of the subject item atop riders.

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Quoted message said:

On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 03:57:34 GMT,

may have said:

Miscatonic said:

> Oh... and if anyone is buying those new Giro helmets
> that cost $189... forget it... you've apparently
> already fallen on your head and it's too late for you.

Quoted message said:

Oh, but the merely $189 helmets are so "last week",
there's an even pricier one now.

tinyurl.com25l6nOpen ↗

Quoted message said:

The "Lone Star Special Edition" is just $225! Doesn't
that just inspire you to grab one immediately? (As for
the question of "one what?", we'll leave that to
individual choice.)

From that page:

| The latest statement of Texas pride (or Lance envy) on
| the lightest thing to come out of the wizard works of
| Giro Helmets, yet. A huge lone star adorns this bright
| red, white and blue brain cage. Featuring 26 wind
| tunnel vents, new carbon reinforced shell, interior
| strap anchors and RocLoc 4 fit system topped off with a
| 5 piece in mold shell. Helmet Pod included.

It's nice to see we have returned to the pre 1970
"hairnet" helmet or its equivalent. I thought there was
some test these things had to pass but that must be a
drop test, one in which you drop the helmet on the lawn
to see if it falls apart.

tinyurl.com3cp5cOpen ↗

I have begun to hope that perhaps the reasoning behind the
pricing is that in a case where the purchaser is willing
to pay the price for the helmet, the likelihood is smaller
that there's anything to protect. (I think somebody else
had a similar observation.)

As for the testing, I think it's restricted to this:

If dropped, will it achieve these two results:

1. Hit the ground.
2. Not break.

It's not hard to search for info. Try this URL for a bit of
info on helmet testing.
cpsc.govregsumbicyclehelmets.pdfOpen ↗

Marty

Quoted message said:

I didn't go out and watch the start of the MS150 this
morning, but it might have been amusing to see if there
were any of the subject item atop riders.

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S. Anderson said:

Well I drifted down to a shop today, being the first day
above 15C this year. I was checking out the Michelin tires
and was quite shocked to see the pricing. The Comp S
tubeless tire was $94. Does that seem odd to anyone? The
Comp S tube tire was $74. Does THAT seem odd to anyone??
Not sure what the big deal is with tubeless, but you pay
$20 extra not including different rims. And to me, $94 for
a bicycle tire seems a bit much. My last motorcycle front
was $124.

I've had both of those tires, and neither one cost nearly
that much. ($25 and $38 respectively) I think that shop's
got too much markup.

As for tubeless tires costing more money, I look at it this
way... I rode my first pair of tubeless mountain bike tires
for two years before getting a flat. In the previous two
years, riding the same places and mileage, I probably went
through at least eight tubes on each tire.

8 x $4.50 = $36

That $36 savings in tubes per tire justifies the usual $15-
$30 difference in price between the tubeless and tubed
version of most tires.

--Kevin

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Quoted message said:

I've had both of those tires, and neither one cost nearly
that much. ($25 and $38 respectively) I think that shop's
got too much markup.

Perhaps..those are CDN dollars as well by the way. Still, a
chunk of change for a tire I'll wear out in one year. And
I'm sure that's MSRP, not street price. However, MSRP on one
tire for my car is $96CDN, installed!

Quoted message said:

As for tubeless tires costing more money, I look at it
this way... I rode my first pair of tubeless mountain bike
tires for two years before getting a flat. In the previous
two years, riding the same places and mileage, I probably
went through at least eight tubes on each tire.

I haven't flatted in 3 years. I've worn out 1 front and 3
rears in that time. And you can always patch a tube. Seems
like big bucks for a problem that doesn't need solving in my
mind. Are they any lighter overall?? Tire seemed
significantly heavier.

Cheers,

Scott..