TT tomorrow - Tuesday

SuzieB said:

I've got the day off tomorrow to catch the TT and I'm wondering if others are going down to watch and if so, where. I thought I would head to Black Rock as I rather suspect there will be a large Kathy Watt support group there!

I hope BV isn't running the "timing"... no chance of them getting any membership money from me in the next while....

Also thinking of heading down for a look, unable to go to the road race on Sunday, so this is the consolation prize. Not sure where will be the best vantage point, I am sure black rock will have a good crowd

SuzieB said:

I've got the day off tomorrow to catch the TT and I'm wondering if others are going down to watch and if so, where. I thought I would head to Black Rock as I rather suspect there will be a large Kathy Watt support group there!

gplama said:

I hope BV isn't running the "timing"... no chance of them getting any membership money from me in the next while....

Yep, I'm still desperately looking each day for some evidence that they have results. $10 wasted? I hope not. 🙁

LOL, I'm picturing a whole lot of athletes including Kathy hitting the refresh button in vain hope of finding out what times they posted and the medals being presented some time next month.

SuzieB said:

Yep, I'm still desperately looking each day for some evidence that they have results. $10 wasted? I hope not. 🙁

LOL, I'm picturing a whole lot of athletes including Kathy hitting the refresh button in vain hope of finding out what times they posted and the medals being presented some time next month.

Sure you're not talking about CSV instead??????

including my Kathy
Suzie. I absolutely cannot get tomorrow off but am going anyway.
Ians coming as well

Dave

percrime said:

including my Kathy
Suzie. I absolutely cannot get tomorrow off but am going anyway.
Ians coming as well

Dave

LOL good man! Black Rock then? I will have my mobile with me. I'll be there from about 9.30am onwards. 😄

OK Suzie. Done deal. mail me your mobile and I will put it in the
phone.
We will get their on a Ian devised schedule.... alas.

Dave

SuzieB said:

I've got the day off tomorrow to catch the TT and I'm wondering if others are going down to watch and if so, where. I thought I would head to Black Rock as I rather suspect there will be a large Kathy Watt support group there!

Yeah I've taken the day off to watch it. I'll probably try and get as close as I can to the Start/Finish in St Kilda, at least for the ladies race, then head down to Cafe Racer later.

SuzieB said:

gplama said:

I hope BV isn't running the "timing"... no chance of them getting any
membership money from me in the next while....

Yep, I'm still desperately looking each day for some evidence that they
have results. $10 wasted? I hope not. 🙁

Why is it wasted? Didn't you have a good day doing it?

Somewhat counter-intuitavely, timing for an ITT is very hard to get
right. If everyone started on time it'd be easy ...

Bleve said:

Why is it wasted? Didn't you have a good day doing it?

Somewhat counter-intuitavely, timing for an ITT is very hard to get
right. If everyone started on time it'd be easy ...

BV's idea of an ITT: A race against the clock, without a clock....

If I gave more of a s*it I'd be screaming for my $10 back...

quote='Bleve'SuzieB said:

gplama said:

I hope BV isn't running the "timing"... no chance of them getting any
membership money from me in the next while....

Yep, I'm still desperately looking each day for some evidence that they
have results. $10 wasted? I hope not. 🙁

Why is it wasted? Didn't you have a good day doing it?

Somewhat counter-intuitavely, timing for an ITT is very hard to get
right. If everyone started on time it'd be easy ...[/QUOTE]

Yes, I had a great time but it is a little disappointing to not have a result yet. I had zeroed my bike computer so have a fair idea of my time anyway.

It was chaos at the startline as a lot of people had missed their start times, however, it is a little hard to be on time when you don't know until you get there what your start time is. It was only luck that Euan and I woke up early and got there in time for my start because I assumed (wrongly) that I could turn up whenever and I would just be sent off. I am certain that a few lessons have been learnt by BV and indeed, me, and hopefully there will be another opportunity to do the ITT. I would certainly do it again but there may be others who wont bother next time due to what has happened this time.

SuzieB said:

It was only luck that Euan and I woke up early and got there in time for my start because I assumed (wrongly) that I could turn up whenever and I would just be sent off.

Personally I think the wording on the website was to blame for this. It implied you could start any time you wanted, rather than having a set time.

Bleve said:

Organiser's nightmare. ITTs are just about impossible when start times
are all over the place.

It shouldn't be if they've got the right equipment, which can be as simple
as a couple of stopwatches, paper and a pen. I used to time canoe slaloms
and we had a rather fancy centralised timing unit (loaned out by the
national canoeing body) that allowed for more or less random starts and
stops triggered by people at different locations. We usually had a backup
of just a stopwatch at the start and finish (using the "lap time" button)
which was more than adequate, just subtract the start time from the finish
time and you've got the total time.

Graeme

SuzieB said:

I've got the day off tomorrow to catch the TT and I'm wondering if
others are going down to watch and if so, where. I thought I would head
to Black Rock as I rather suspect there will be a large Kathy Watt
support group there!

I understand the area around GlenHuntly Rd will be a hopeless place to
watch from and everyone should avoid that area. 😉

DaveB the volunteer ensuring minimum crowd control issues.

Bleve said:

Organiser's nightmare. ITTs are just about impossible when start times
are all over the place.

Maybe cycle racing ITTs are a bit different - don't really know enough about
it.

However MTBO and regular orienteering events are nearly always a time trial
format start. Riders even choose their own start times on the day, front up
ahead of time (if you're late, your bad luck) and then complete the course
to get an individual finish time. Two synchronised clocks are used. Time
details are all on the one card, simple calculation to get the time. Very
rare for there to be any confusion about your time. Maybe confusion over the
controls you've got , but not over time.

It seems pretty straight forward. What extra things complicate it for an
ITT?

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Peter

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DaveB said:

SuzieB said:

I've got the day off tomorrow to catch the TT and I'm wondering if
others are going down to watch and if so, where. I thought I would head
to Black Rock as I rather suspect there will be a large Kathy Watt
support group there!

I understand the area around GlenHuntly Rd will be a hopeless place to
watch from and everyone should avoid that area. 😉

DaveB the volunteer ensuring minimum crowd control issues.

Thats allright. No coffee shop there. You will have to settle for non
cyclists

Tim, we will probably ride up torronga and down Hawthorn south and
bluff or something to get to black rock cos beach rd wont be a goer.
Maybe we should rondevous either here or on the way?

Dave

On 2006-03-20, Peter Signorini (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

Quoted message said:

However MTBO and regular orienteering events are nearly always a time trial
format start. Riders even choose their own start times on the day, front up
ahead of time (if you're late, your bad luck) and then complete the course
to get an individual finish time. Two synchronised clocks are used.

Do the organisers take care of special relativity when separating the
clocks in space (I assume the clocks are at the start and finish).

--
TimC
A debugged program is one for which you have not yet found the
conditions that make it fail. -- Jerry Ogdin

Peter Signorini said:

Bleve said:

Organiser's nightmare. ITTs are just about impossible when start times
are all over the place.

Maybe cycle racing ITTs are a bit different - don't really know enough about
it.

However MTBO and regular orienteering events are nearly always a time trial
format start. Riders even choose their own start times on the day, front up
ahead of time (if you're late, your bad luck) and then complete the course
to get an individual finish time. Two synchronised clocks are used. Time
details are all on the one card, simple calculation to get the time. Very
rare for there to be any confusion about your time. Maybe confusion over the
controls you've got , but not over time.

It seems pretty straight forward. What extra things complicate it for an
ITT?

Riders starting out of order, riders arriving at the finish at the same
time as eachother (sometimes in groups of 4 or more, not drafting, of
course ...). Lack of manpower to record start and finish times as well
as hold riders, count them in, marshall them etc.

All these things are solvable, but require more people than you'd
expect. Using RFID would be great (I'm a little bit involved in the
current Mike Clarke/David Braendler system, so know a bit about it),
but it's not quite ready yet.

TimC said:

Do the organisers take care of special relativity when separating the
clocks in space (I assume the clocks are at the start and finish).

Maybe a bit beyond them. But probably unecessary given the start was within a few metres of the finish.

Maybe the clocks should be given to the cyclists to carry with them over the course to ensure we record their time, rather than our perception of it.