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  1. Via yesterdays Age (and few other places)

    Regarding this article, and gender issues aside for a moment, probably the most important point is made in the last two sentences.

    " .. The researchers also married hospital statistics with emergency reports over the period and found "significant under-reporting" to police.

    "There's a real gap there, showing people will go to hospital but they don't necessarily alert authorities," Dr Dent said. .. "

    ************

    Boys dominate cycling accident figures
    http://www.theage.com.au/news/National/Boys-dominate-cycling-accident-figures/2006/11/20/1163871313646.html
    November 20, 2006 - 1:10PM

    Boys riding bikes on the road and peak hour traffic make the most catastrophic combination for cycling accidents.

    A Victorian study of emergency department records has found that almost half of all cycling accident victims are aged five to 15 years old.

    And they are almost four times more likely to be male than female.

    Melbourne researchers analysed 13,157 presentations to the state's hospitals in 2004 and 2005 for a comprehensive look at who hurts themselves on bikes, when and what kind of injuries they sustain.

    Overall, almost 80 per cent of victims were male, and most were aged between five and 39 years.

    "Young men are at a far higher risk of injury," said lead researcher Dr Mark Dent, from Royal Melbourne Hospital.

    Most injuries occurred between 6am and 9am or between 3pm and 6pm during the warmer months of the year.

    "These seem to be the times that more people are likely to ride bikes so I guess it makes sense that they're more likely have accidents then too," Dr Dent said.

    More than half of accidents happened on the road, with about 15 per cent in sport and recreation areas, and 18 per cent at home.

    "That's mostly the under fives falling off their bikes in the backyard," he said.

    The study, presented as a poster at the Australasian College for Emergency Medicine conference in Sydney this week, showed just over 70 per cent of the injuries were minor.

    The rest were regarded as serious, and one per cent were fatal.

    Victims were most likely to hurt their arms, most commonly a fracture, followed by leg injuries, usually cuts and open wounds.

    The head or neck was injured in almost one in five accidents.

    The researchers also married hospital statistics with emergency reports over the period and found "significant under-reporting" to police.

    "There's a real gap there, showing people will go to hospital but they don't necessarily alert authorities," Dr Dent said.

  2. cfsmtb said:

    Via yesterdays Age (and few other places)

    ************

    Boys dominate cycling accident figures
    http://tinyurl.com/y7nvvb
    November 20, 2006 - 1:10PM

    Boys riding bikes on the road and peak hour traffic make the most
    catastrophic combination for cycling accidents.

    A Victorian study of emergency department records has found that almost
    half of all cycling accident victims are aged five to 15 years old.

    And they are almost four times more likely to be male than female.

    Good to see that we are still reinforcing gender roles, let the boys
    ride bikes while the girls are busy learning to cook and clean.

  3. Bleve said:

    Odd that they think it's odd/bad/whatever that crashes aren't reported
    - reported to whom? If I crash into a gutter and fall off and break a
    collarbone, I'm hardly going to report it to the police.....

    I wondered about that myself for the same reasons. The only time I've
    had to go to hospital after a bike crash was to get some stitches after
    fooling around on my dad's Avanti somethingorother comfort bike with
    Nexus automatic rear hub. I learned that in automatic mode, if you are
    just rolling along slowly then suddenly decide to stand up and sprint
    you can catch the electronics by surprise. When they finally catch up,
    they can return the favour...

  4. PiledHigher said:
    cfsmtb said:

    Via yesterdays Age (and few other places)

    ************

    Boys dominate cycling accident figures
    http://tinyurl.com/y7nvvb
    November 20, 2006 - 1:10PM

    Boys riding bikes on the road and peak hour traffic make the most
    catastrophic combination for cycling accidents.

    A Victorian study of emergency department records has found that almost
    half of all cycling accident victims are aged five to 15 years old.

    And they are almost four times more likely to be male than female.

    Good to see that we are still reinforcing gender roles, let the boys
    ride bikes while the girls are busy learning to cook and clean.

    Surely boys 5-15 account for 50% of all accidents not just cycling.

    DaveB

  5. Quoted message said:
    Bleve said:

    Odd that they think it's odd/bad/whatever that crashes aren't reported
    - reported to whom? If I crash into a gutter and fall off and break a
    collarbone, I'm hardly going to report it to the police.....

    I wondered about that myself for the same reasons. The only time I've
    had to go to hospital after a bike crash was to get some stitches after
    fooling around on my dad's Avanti somethingorother comfort bike with
    Nexus automatic rear hub. I learned that in automatic mode, if you are
    just rolling along slowly then suddenly decide to stand up and sprint
    you can catch the electronics by surprise. When they finally catch up,
    they can return the favour...

    Does all this merely reflect a greater bike usage by males?

    --
    Bean

    "I've got a bike
    You can ride it if you like
    It's got a basket
    A bell that rings
    And things to make it look good
    I'd give it to you if I could
    But I borrowed it" Pink Floyd

    Remove "yourfinger" before replying

  6. [email hidden said:

    "]
    I wondered about that myself for the same reasons. The only time I've
    had to go to hospital after a bike crash was to get some stitches after
    fooling around on my dad's Avanti somethingorother comfort bike with
    Nexus automatic rear hub.

    Actually presenting for medical attention may prove vital if you want to claim on health insurance etc or even provide a Medical certificate for time off work.

    Or even claim damages to your beloved bike - just like motorists are entitled too under several different insurance schemes. Unfortunately in Victoria several years ago Mr Kennett removed WorkCover on work trips and this has probably only added to the fragmented approach of dealing with insurance, what you can claim, what you can't etc. In plain terms, stiff [censored], as the system doesn't cover you.

    The article doesn't even attempt (surprise) to hint at what is a main problem - cycling isn't taken seriously enough to warrant be seen as a mainstream activity. Hence simplistic articles like this in the media.

  7. This article suspiciously reeks with the same sort of 'page filler' smell that tends to come about every 3 or so months when a 'new' study has found exactly the same thing that previous studies have, none of them actually have any meaning in real life... of course young men make up the bulk of cycling accidents, and of course they happen around the times that they go to and from school... 95% of the young people i see on bikes every day are boys, get the same amount of girls on bikes and im sure you would see the figures squaring up.
    This article is just filler... *yawn*

  8. This is a bit tangential, but it's an interesting anecdote. A cycling
    friend who is a nurse told me on the weekend that she used to work in
    Emergency. Every Sunday, she would get 2-4 motorcyclists in for
    attention - smashed up in their sport ride. In all the time she worked
    there, only one cyclist came in.

    Donga

  9. I'll fess up: last night my chain slipped off while I was sprinting. I
    stomped on the pedal and met no resistence, promptly lost my balance
    and hit the road at about 45km/h.

    The bars will need to be retaped, I smashed a bottle cage and bent a
    spoke (it didn't snap...)

    And I lost most of the skin from the fingers of my right hand, plus
    extensive grazes on my right shoulder and leg. They're all bloody, raw
    and oozing a clear yellow substance... ;-)

    So I guess I've thrown down the gauntlet to Tim here... Crash Bandicoot
    2006... its ON bro!

    :-)

    Travis

  10. Travis said:

    I'll fess up: last night my chain slipped off while I was sprinting. I
    stomped on the pedal and met no resistence, promptly lost my balance
    and hit the road at about 45km/h.

    The bars will need to be retaped, I smashed a bottle cage and bent a
    spoke (it didn't snap...)

    And I lost most of the skin from the fingers of my right hand, plus
    extensive grazes on my right shoulder and leg. They're all bloody, raw
    and oozing a clear yellow substance... ;-)

    http://www.aboc.com.au/tips-and-hints/how-to-treat-roadrash/

  11. cfsmtb said:

    Actually presenting for medical attention may prove vital if you want
    to claim on health insurance etc or even provide a Medical certificate
    for time off work.

    Or even claim damages to your beloved bike - just like motorists are
    entitled too under several different insurance schemes. Unfortunately
    in Victoria several years ago Mr Kennett removed WorkCover on work
    trips and this has probably only added to the fragmented approach of
    dealing with insurance, what you can claim, what you can't etc. In
    plain terms, stiff [censored], as the system doesn't cover you.

    The article doesn't even attempt (surprise) to hint at what is a main
    problem - cycling isn't taken seriously enough to warrant be seen as a
    mainstream activity. Hence simplistic articles like this in the media.

    --
    cfsmtb

    In my capacity as workplace BUG convenor, I got a visit the other day
    from our new OH&S rep concerning cycling safety. He said he had data
    that cycling injuries in commuting were costing Workcover money and
    hence he wanted to develop initiatives to enhance cycling safety. I
    started out extremely cagey and defensive, but he wasn't patronising as
    I expected. He is well aware that the fatties who don't ride cost the
    organisation plenty and cycling is worth doing in spite of the
    occasional injury. I'm impressed that he's treating it constructively
    rather than like Mr Kennett. Personally, I'm rather glad to have this
    insurance for my commuting that doubles as recreation - a good lurk and
    another reason to promote cycling to work!

    Donga

  12. Richard Sherratt said:

    The facts as reported do not support this conclusion. Where are the
    numbers of male and female cyclists overall? Numbers of trips per
    gender? Km per gender?

    Sloppy pseudo science.

    You need science to tell you that boys take more risks, have more accidents,
    scrapes and injuries? Geezus Christ!

    Theo

  13. Theo Bekkers said:
    Richard Sherratt said:

    The facts as reported do not support this conclusion. Where are the
    numbers of male and female cyclists overall? Numbers of trips per
    gender? Km per gender?

    Sloppy pseudo science.

    You need science to tell you that boys take more risks, have more accidents,
    scrapes and injuries? Geezus Christ!

    Theo


    Irish research:
    "to be sure, to be sure"

    Moike

  14. On 2006-11-21, Theo Bekkers (aka Bruce)
    was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

    Quoted message said:

    You need science to tell you that boys take more risks, have more accidents,
    scrapes and injuries? Geezus Christ!

    You mispelled Jebus H Christ.

    HTH, HAND!

    --
    TimC
    ``Here, sanity ... niiiiiice sanity, come to daddy ... okay, that's a
    good sanity ... {*THWONK!*} _Got_ the [censored].'' -- Anthony de Boer in ASR

  15. Theo Bekkers said:
    Richard Sherratt said:

    The facts as reported do not support this conclusion. Where are the
    numbers of male and female cyclists overall? Numbers of trips per
    gender? Km per gender?

    Sloppy pseudo science.

    You need science to tell you that boys take more risks, have more accidents,
    scrapes and injuries? Geezus Christ!

    No. He is claiming that "Young men are at a far higher risk of injury"
    based on some numbers that don't support his claim. The fact that more
    young men than any other group have accidents that result in
    presentation at casualty does not prove that young men are at far
    higher risk of having an accident. It just means that more young men
    have accidents requiring medical help than any other group. You need
    to know the injuries per trip or per km travelled, not just in total,
    to assess risk.

    --
    Regards.
    Richard.

  16. TimC said:

    Theo wrote

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    You need science to tell you that boys take more risks, have more
    accidents, scrapes and injuries? Geezus Christ!

    You mispelled Jebus H Christ.

    You misspelled misspelled. :-)

    Theo

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