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  1. "Bew" <qw@nonamewhatsover> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    If you are new to this ng (like me) you will very quickly notice that


    there

    Quoted message said:

    is a very concentrated attempt to discredit any claims made about the
    effectiveness of alternative cures or approaches to medical problems.

    Translation: There are people who do not accept the feel good approach, or
    the "try it you'll like it argument" and ask for some facts to back up
    claims.

    Quoted message said:

    The first thing you will notice is that these people always try and
    discredit any item whatsoever , in other words they just attack anything


    at

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    all . This is a direct indication of their real motives .

    Translation: I have no facts to support my allegations, but, Iwill create a
    conspiracy to make myself look like a victim to enhance my otherwise
    pathetic level of credibility.

    Quoted message said:

    The reason you have come here is to seek other points of view outside the
    mainstream medical ones . Take the time to read through the items offered
    here as there are many worthwhile links and good information to be had .

    Translation: Accept whatever shills for all altmed offer without questioning
    from a scientific and factual standpoint.

    Quoted message said:

    You will very quickly learn to do what I have done and killfile those
    annoying trolls .

    Translation: I was asked to back up my claims and when i did not, I was
    asked again. I personally find providing proof of my claims to be annoying.

    Quoted message said:

    All those genuine posters here should also take the point , the only


    reason

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    these idiots hang around is because you give them reason to . I found out
    quickly that the arguments you enter into are boring and repetitive and
    always go nowhere , so why bother guys ? . Try a no response reaction


    and

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    see how quickly they lose interest .

    Translation: You can make any argument go nowhere by not answering a direct
    question. When pressed for a response, tell the other person that they are
    boring and repetitive.

  2. "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Trolls and arguments
    From: "Bew" qw@nonamewhatsover
    Date: 3/2/2004 9:51 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    >Subject: Trolls and arguments
    >From: "Bew" qw@nonamewhatsover
    >Date: 3/2/2004 7:26 PM Pacific Standard Time
    >Message-id: <[email hidden]>
    >
    >If you are new to this ng (like me) you will very quickly notice that


    there

    Quoted message said:

    >is a very concentrated attempt to discredit any claims made about the
    >effectiveness of alternative cures or approaches to medical problems.
    >
    >The first thing you will notice is that these people always try and
    >discredit any item whatsoever , in other words they just attack


    anything

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    at

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    >all . This is a direct indication of their real motives .
    >
    >The reason you have come here is to seek other points of view outside


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >mainstream medical ones . Take the time to read through the items


    offered

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >here as there are many worthwhile links and good information to be had


    ..

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >
    >You will very quickly learn to do what I have done and killfile those
    >annoying trolls .
    >
    >All those genuine posters here should also take the point , the only


    reason

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    >these idiots hang around is because you give them reason to . I found


    out

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    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >quickly that the arguments you enter into are boring and repetitive


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >always go nowhere , so why bother guys ? . Try a no response


    reaction

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    Quoted message said:

    and

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    >see how quickly they lose interest .
    >
    >
    >
    >Bew

    While I agree with much you have to say, they don't lose interest, they


    are

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    obsessed with belittling and badgering.

    Their aim is to run off those who have used alternative medicine with


    success,

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    or yack about placebo. In reality, they know alternative mediicine is


    growing

    Quoted message said:

    and it eats their socks, because they have an insane EGO and can't


    stand

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    to be

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    wrong.

    Jan

    Cur for Richard H Jacobson to appear and start with his usual as is his


    long

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    time pattern.

    Rich is a cyberstalker and he has been stalking Jan for a long time.


    John

    Quoted message said:
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    Bain

    So you are saying we need to argue with these deadshits ?
    Bew

    NOPE. I am saying it matters not, their pattern will remain the same as


    they

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    are obsessed. That's why most of them remain in my killfile. I take them


    out

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    every once in a while to review and expose thier pattern and their lies.

    Jan forgot to criticize Beww for the nasty language. I wonder why she
    forgot?

  3. "Bew" <qw@nonamewhatsover> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "DEBBEE1023" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    <<
    While I agree with much you have to say, they don't lose interest, they


    are

    Quoted message said:

    obsessed with belittling and badgering. >>

    And it gets frustrating, because you find yourself coming back at them,


    because

    Quoted message said:

    they are so disgusting, that they can make you sick. You'd like to


    ignore

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    them, however, sometimes, you wonder how many lives could be saved if


    the

    Quoted message said:

    stuff

    Quoted message said:

    discussed in here, has worked for some people, and is belittled by


    "them",

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    isn't challenged by some of us with personal experience, because can you
    imagine someone who is at wits end with a problem that perhaps


    alternative

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    Quoted message said:

    medicine could actually help? If they listened to the "garbage" that


    some

    Quoted message said:

    of

    Quoted message said:

    the anti-alts had to say, they might miss out on a therapy that might


    work

    Quoted message said:

    for

    Quoted message said:

    them.
    And really who only knows if there isn't just one or two people here


    that

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    use

    Quoted message said:

    a variety of handles to make it look like a whole mess of people are


    posting.

    Quoted message said:

    Just watch for the "gang bang" when you post something they don't like.

    << Their aim is to run off those who have used alternative medicine with
    success,
    or yack about placebo. In reality, they know alternative mediicine is


    growing

    Quoted message said:

    and it eats their socks, because they have an insane EGO and can't stand


    to be

    Quoted message said:

    wrong. >>

    Ain't that the truth. However, they want "proof", and my "proof" isn't


    any of

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    their business. I know what has worked for me (and what hasn't), and


    some

    Quoted message said:

    of

    Quoted message said:

    the (and what hasn't), was conventional medicine, and being prescribed


    drugs

    Quoted message said:

    that made me (and conventional medicine admitted to this) even


    sicker....who

    Quoted message said:

    says you cannot take your ownself off of prednisone....watch me


    doc.....and

    Quoted message said:

    "what part of this do you not get?"

    "If you're gonna walk on thin ice, you may as well dance." (Jessie


    Winchester).

    I like your response and your attitude . I feel the same way as you do ,
    thanks for your reply :-) , you sound like a very sensible and articulate
    person . You are right , the word needs to go out and it needs to be
    defended as there are people out there who need to know about the
    alternatives .

    I wonder fi you like Debbee's anti-Judaism, too?

    Quoted message said:

    Also I like your "thin ice " quote .

    It is erroneous.

    And, i expect you would not know that.

  4. [email hidden] (DEBBEE1023) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    <<
    While I agree with much you have to say, they don't lose interest, they are
    obsessed with belittling and badgering. >>

    And it gets frustrating, because you find yourself coming back at them, because
    they are so disgusting, that they can make you sick. You'd like to ignore
    them, however, sometimes, you wonder how many lives could be saved if the stuff
    discussed in here, has worked for some people, and is belittled by "them",
    isn't challenged by some of us with personal experience, because can you
    imagine someone who is at wits end with a problem that perhaps alternative
    medicine could actually help?

    Don't worry, people will continue to try anything no matter what is
    said on this NG. Immortality rings, "cleanses" for "toxins" that
    aren't specified or measured before or after the fact, zappers,
    yanking out teeth, & all sorts of other alt. ideas (good & bad) will
    be auditioned for the big show. Many people without any health
    problems will give 'em a whirl. People who should be seeking other
    treatments will too. It's going to happen & nothing said on MHA -- or
    anywhere else -- will change that. You definitely overestimate the
    importance of the opinions of people on the 'net. "Saving lives" --
    puhleeze! Nobody here is saving lives. For goodness' sake, it's a
    discussion group -- nothing else.

    Quoted message said:

    If they listened to the "garbage" that some of
    the anti-alts had to say, they might miss out on a therapy that might work for
    them.

    Geez, nobody wants to miss out on something like immortality rings!

    Your choice of the words "miss out" is interesting -- effective
    treatments don't get "missed out" on. They are endorsed by laypeople,
    medical providers, & everybody making money from them. They are
    studied & the results of the research into them are heralded in the
    media.

    Quoted message said:

    And really who only knows if there isn't just one or two people here that use
    a variety of handles to make it look like a whole mess of people are posting.

    The same could be said about those advocating anything "all natural",
    "organic", & "alternative". Maybe YOU are using multiple identities
    -- it's just as likely as anyone else doing so. And what difference
    does it make if one person expresses a particular POV or ten do? Does
    it make the opinion more accurate? Nope.

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    Just watch for the "gang bang" when you post something they don't like.

    The "gang bang" phrase, eh? Bringing sexual stuff into a non-sexual
    thread again? Weird....

    And the difference when the shoe is on the other foot? None. Even
    when discussing disgusting anti-Semetism or homophobic rhetoric, other
    posters feel free to express their bigotry in response to opinions
    they don't like. So? It's called freedom of speech. You certainly
    take advantage of it, but you have such a nagging problem with others
    doing the same. Tough.

    Quoted message said:

    << Their aim is to run off those who have used alternative medicine with
    success,
    or yack about placebo. In reality, they know alternative mediicine is growing
    and it eats their socks, because they have an insane EGO and can't stand to be
    wrong. >>

    Ain't that the truth. However, they want "proof", and my "proof" isn't any of
    their business.

    Don't expect unquestioned belief WRT what you claim, expecially in
    light of the whoppers you've related. Make an unlikely claim, people
    will call you on it. While you have the right to refuse answers about
    your claims, you don't have the right to stop the disbelief. You
    claim to be a "journalist" & give no indication through your writing
    that anyone would pay you to put pen to paper. You talk about
    "toxins" being flushed out of people & refuse to specify any
    particular toxins or their measurements. People telling the truth
    have no problem giving specifics to back up their claims -- people who
    lie can't. "My blood level of _____ was _____ as measured by the
    ______test" isn't anything embarassingly personal for someone claiming
    that they were "cured" of toxic poisoning by whatever therapy they
    claim was so helpful. Expect to be disbelieved when the claim has no
    objective findings to show its efficacy. Do YOU believe everything
    everyone tells you? I hope NOBODY does.

    Quoted message said:

    I know what has worked for me (and what hasn't), and some of
    the (and what hasn't), was conventional medicine, and being prescribed drugs
    that made me (and conventional medicine admitted to this) even sicker

    As there are alt. treatments that can make a person sicker...... No
    difference there.

    Quoted message said:

    ....who
    says you cannot take your ownself off of prednisone....watch me doc

    Where in the hell did you ever hear that nonsense? People taper off
    prednisone all the time. Doctors advise gradual reduction when the
    patient has been on HIGH doses, especially for long periods of time.
    That's good sense. You've just thrown out another statement to show
    that you don't know what you're talking about.

    Quoted message said:

    .....and "what part of this do you not get?"

    There's a lot "you do not get". You're not a radical health care
    expert -- extraordinary in any way -- or even in possession of basic
    critical thinking skills.

  5. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Trolls and arguments
    From: "Happy Dog" [email hidden]
    Date: 3/2/2004 11:37 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    "Bew" <qw@nonamewhatsover>

    Quoted message said:

    "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    >Subject: Trolls and arguments
    Rich is a cyberstalker and he has been stalking Jan for a long time.


    John

    Quoted message said:

    Bain

    If I'm not mistaken, and I'm not, John Bain politely vanished after making a
    claim that could be tested by the JREF. (www.randi.org) I'd love to hear
    different. But I won't.

    le moo

    Irrelevant diiversion.

    Rich is a cyberstalker and he has been stalking Jan for a long time.John Bain

    Is totally correct, just like he cyberstalked the others who are gone.

    Jan

  6. Nicely Said Bew!

    Notice the pattern of one of the chief trolls here? Question each and every
    statement no matter how many times it has been proven or how much common
    sense their is to it. These people thrive on just questioning physics and
    sooner or later somebody cannot prove the laws of nature.

    Prove 2 + 2 = 4

    Nobody can. It is based on our set out mathematical laws and other than that
    has no meaning.

    Suck it up Richie Rich.

    "Bew" <qw@nonamewhatsover> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    <Rich.@.> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Bew' qw@nonamewhatsover said:

    If you are new to this ng (like me) you will very quickly notice that


    there

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    is a very concentrated attempt to discredit any claims made about the
    effectiveness of alternative cures or approaches to medical problems.

    This is a discussion group. Alternative treatments by their very
    nature have little objective evidence that they really work as they
    are often claimed to. So it is reasonable that if someone asserts that
    an alternative treatment really works that someone will express
    skepticism and ask for some kind of evidence for efficacy.

    Do you think that asking for evidence of efficacy is inappropriate
    especially when incredible claims are made for various alternative
    treatments. For example Hulda Clark claims that she has the cure for
    ALL cancers. Should we question this claim or just accept it.

    Quoted message said:


    The first thing you will notice is that these people always try and
    discredit any item whatsoever , in other words they just attack


    anything

    Quoted message said:

    at

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    all . This is a direct indication of their real motives .

    Attack?? Do you think asking for evidence of efficacy is attack?? Do
    you think expressing skepticism for an alternative treatment curing
    cancer when there is no evidence for it as an attack. Please explain
    what you consider an attack vs someone just expressing skepticism or
    doubt.

    Quoted message said:


    The reason you have come here is to seek other points of view outside


    the

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    Quoted message said:

    mainstream medical ones .

    The reason WHO has come here?? This is a group to discuss alternative
    medicine pro AND con.

    Quoted message said:

    Take the time to read through the items offered
    here as there are many worthwhile links and good information to be had


    ..

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Can you accept that what you consider worthwhile, someone else may
    consider not worthwhile or bogus??? Maybe you can give an example of a
    worthwhile link and why you think it worthwhile.

    Quoted message said:


    You will very quickly learn to do what I have done and killfile those
    annoying trolls .

    Define troll.

    Quoted message said:


    All those genuine posters here should also take the point , the only


    reason

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    these idiots hang around is because you give them reason to .

    Idiots?? Name calling. tsk tsk.

    Quoted message said:

    I found out
    quickly that the arguments you enter into are boring and repetitive and
    always go nowhere , so why bother guys ? . Try a no response


    reaction

    Quoted message said:

    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    see how quickly they lose interest .

    Hopefully you don't consider my response to your post to be
    inappropriate. I sincerely wanted to respond to your concerns. I am
    interested in your comments to my thoughts. Hopefully you can share
    them with me and we can have a mutually respectful discussion.

    Thanx,

    Aloha,

    Rich

    Quoted message said:

    Bew

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    The best defense to logic is ignorance

    Cool , you had your say , bye bye .

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  7. I have to disagree witha few items.

    People that come here and are inquiring are already interested in
    alternative cures.

    I do not like your signature line I think it is a stupid thing to say, only
    because of personal experiences with certain people with that attitude. I
    take this to mean, since you could get hit by a car on the road, you might
    as well walk across with your eyes closed. This is retarded thinking, but it
    did make me think. No offense intended, I like most of your stuff, other
    than that Debbee....LOL

    "Bew" <qw@nonamewhatsover> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "DEBBEE1023" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    <<
    While I agree with much you have to say, they don't lose interest, they


    are

    Quoted message said:

    obsessed with belittling and badgering. >>

    And it gets frustrating, because you find yourself coming back at them,


    because

    Quoted message said:

    they are so disgusting, that they can make you sick. You'd like to


    ignore

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    them, however, sometimes, you wonder how many lives could be saved if


    the

    Quoted message said:

    stuff

    Quoted message said:

    discussed in here, has worked for some people, and is belittled by


    "them",

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    isn't challenged by some of us with personal experience, because can you
    imagine someone who is at wits end with a problem that perhaps


    alternative

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    medicine could actually help? If they listened to the "garbage" that


    some

    Quoted message said:

    of

    Quoted message said:

    the anti-alts had to say, they might miss out on a therapy that might


    work

    Quoted message said:

    for

    Quoted message said:

    them.
    And really who only knows if there isn't just one or two people here


    that

    Quoted message said:

    use

    Quoted message said:

    a variety of handles to make it look like a whole mess of people are


    posting.

    Quoted message said:

    Just watch for the "gang bang" when you post something they don't like.

    << Their aim is to run off those who have used alternative medicine with
    success,
    or yack about placebo. In reality, they know alternative mediicine is


    growing

    Quoted message said:

    and it eats their socks, because they have an insane EGO and can't stand


    to be

    Quoted message said:

    wrong. >>

    Ain't that the truth. However, they want "proof", and my "proof" isn't


    any of

    Quoted message said:

    their business. I know what has worked for me (and what hasn't), and


    some

    Quoted message said:

    of

    Quoted message said:

    the (and what hasn't), was conventional medicine, and being prescribed


    drugs

    Quoted message said:

    that made me (and conventional medicine admitted to this) even


    sicker....who

    Quoted message said:

    says you cannot take your ownself off of prednisone....watch me


    doc.....and

    Quoted message said:

    "what part of this do you not get?"

    "If you're gonna walk on thin ice, you may as well dance." (Jessie


    Winchester).

    I like your response and your attitude . I feel the same way as you do ,
    thanks for your reply :-) , you sound like a very sensible and articulate
    person . You are right , the word needs to go out and it needs to be
    defended as there are people out there who need to know about the
    alternatives .

    Also I like your "thin ice " quote .

    Bew

    ---

    Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
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  8. In article <[email hidden]>, "Bew" <qw@nonamewhatsover>

    Quoted message said:

    If you are new to this ng (like me) you will very quickly notice that there
    is a very concentrated attempt to discredit any claims made about the
    effectiveness of alternative cures or approaches to medical problems.

    TRANSLATION: This is not the warm, fuzzy, environment that I was
    expecting when I discovered this newsgroup. I had expected an
    environment where everyone reinforces my altie beliefs, without any
    scientists or skeptics around to question them.

    Quoted message said:

    The first thing you will notice is that these people always try and
    discredit any item whatsoever , in other words they just attack anything at
    all . This is a direct indication of their real motives .

    TRANSLATION: They're asking for evidence that these altie therapies
    actually do what they are claimed to do!!! How dare they?

    Quoted message said:

    The reason you have come here is to seek other points of view outside the
    mainstream medical ones . Take the time to read through the items offered
    here as there are many worthwhile links and good information to be had .

    You will very quickly learn to do what I have done and killfile those
    annoying trolls .

    TRANSLATION: Just stick your fingers in your ear, rock back and forth,
    and go "lalalalalalala," and maybe you won't hear anything contrary to
    your beliefs.

    Quoted message said:

    All those genuine posters here should also take the point , the only reason
    these idiots hang around is because you give them reason to . I found out
    quickly that the arguments you enter into are boring and repetitive and
    always go nowhere , so why bother guys ? . Try a no response reaction and
    see how quickly they lose interest .

    TRANSLATION: I can't deal with discussions where actual objective
    evidence is debated; so I ignore them.

    --
    Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
    |
    |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
    | inconvenience me with questions?"

  9. In article said:

    On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 11:26:02 +0800, "Bew" <qw@nonamewhatsover> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    The first thing you will notice is that these people always try and
    discredit any item whatsoever , in other words they just attack anything at
    all . This is a direct indication of their real motives .

    Attack?? Do you think asking for evidence of efficacy is attack?? Do
    you think expressing skepticism for an alternative treatment curing
    cancer when there is no evidence for it as an attack. Please explain
    what you consider an attack vs someone just expressing skepticism or
    doubt.

    Bew seems unable to distinguish legitimate skepticism from "attacks." To
    her, any questioning of her pet alt-med therapies or ideas is seen as an
    attack.

    [Snip]

    --
    Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
    |
    |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
    | inconvenience me with questions?"

  10. In article <[email hidden]>, "Bew" <qw@nonamewhatsover>

    Quoted message said:

    Cool , you had your say , bye bye .

    And one can't help but note that you are unable or unwilling to answer a
    single one of Rich's points, all of which were legitimate.

    --
    Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
    |
    |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
    | inconvenience me with questions?"

  11. In article
    <[email hidden]>,

    carabelli said:

    "Bew" <qw@nonamewhatsover> wrote................

    Quoted message said:

    Cool , you had your say , bye bye .

    Why does this remind me of a political discussion?

    I think the majority of alties here expect and would prefer discussion among
    themselves without confrontation.

    The problem is, too many alties view any skepticism voiced about their
    favorite therapies or ideas as "confrontation" and respond accordingly.

    --
    Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
    |
    |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
    | inconvenience me with questions?"

  12. Orac said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, "Bew" <qw@nonamewhatsover>

    Quoted message said:

    Cool , you had your say , bye bye .

    And one can't help but note that you are unable or unwilling to answer a
    single one of Rich's points, all of which were legitimate.

    Cue Jan to cowardly attack me from behind her imaginary kill file.

    Aloha,

    Rich

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    The best defense to logic is ignorance

  13. In article <[email hidden]>,

    (DEBBEE1023) said:

    Ain't that the truth. However, they want "proof", and my "proof" isn't any
    of
    their business.

    Sure it is. If you bring up a topic on this newsgroup, it becomes the
    business of anyone on the newsgroup who shows an interest. If you truly
    think it's nobody's business but your own, then don't bring it up.

    [Snip]

    --
    Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
    |
    |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
    | inconvenience me with questions?"

  14. In article said:
    Bew' qw@nonamewhatsover said:


    "DEBBEE1023" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    I feel the same way as you do ,
    thanks for your reply :-) , you sound like a very sensible and articulate
    person .

    <Choking>

    You owe me a new keyboard. Now this is a real keeper.

    Someone describing Debbee as "very sensible" and
    "articulate". Lord have mercy.

    Indeed, given that this is the same DEBBEE who about a year ago blamed a
    "certain ethnic group" (Jews) for "suppressing" alt med and openly
    wondered if [censored] might have been right about the Jews.

    --
    Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
    |
    |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
    | inconvenience me with questions?"

  15. In article <[email hidden]>,
    "Mark Probert-March 3, 2004" <Mark [email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Trolls and arguments
    From: "Bew" qw@nonamewhatsover
    Date: 3/2/2004 9:51 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    So you are saying we need to argue with these deadshits ?
    Bew

    NOPE. I am saying it matters not, their pattern will remain the same as


    they

    Quoted message said:

    are obsessed. That's why most of them remain in my killfile. I take them


    out

    Quoted message said:

    every once in a while to review and expose thier pattern and their lies.

    Jan forgot to criticize Beww for the nasty language. I wonder why she
    forgot?

    Indeed. If you or I used bad language, Jan would be all over us.

    --
    Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
    |
    |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
    | inconvenience me with questions?"

  16. Orac said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    "Mark Probert-March 3, 2004" <Mark [email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >So you are saying we need to argue with these deadshits ?
    >Bew

    NOPE. I am saying it matters not, their pattern will remain the same as


    they

    Quoted message said:

    are obsessed.


    Jan forgot to criticize Beww for the nasty language. I wonder why she
    forgot?

    Indeed. If you or I used bad language, Jan would be all over us.

    Not only that. Jan would save that reply (deadshit) and repost it
    whenever she wanted to discredit that person. But when one of her
    buddies says it she gives them a free pass. And Jan accuses others of
    being selective and have a ye ole boys club. Lord have mercy.

    Aloha,

    Rich

    -------------------------------------------------
    -------------------------------------------------

    The best defense to logic is ignorance

  17. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Trolls and arguments
    From: Orac [email hidden]
    Date: 3/3/04 8:24 PM Eastern Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, "Bew" <qw@nonamewhatsover>

    Quoted message said:

    If you are new to this ng (like me) you will very quickly notice that there
    is a very concentrated attempt to discredit any claims made about the
    effectiveness of alternative cures or approaches to medical problems.

    TRANSLATION: This is not the warm, fuzzy, environment that I

    Quoted message said:

    TRANSLATION: This is not the warm, fuzzy, environment that I was
    expecting when I discovered this newsgroup. I had expected an
    environment where everyone reinforces my altie beliefs, without any
    scientists or skeptics around to question them.


    Explanation: The so called scientists or skeptics that abound here do not
    question in fairness. Their goal is to insult, demean, degrade, and otherwise
    cause mayhem such that the medical monopoly continues unabated with its goals
    of extracting as much money and power as it can from the supplicants called
    patients.

    I am a scientist.

    I am not a member of the church of modern medicine.

    I will not encourage you to try and cut-burn-poison yourself into health.

    Those that encourage you to do so by discouraging any rational discussion of
    alternative procedures need to be scourged and crucified as in the Passion.

    DrC PhD

  18. Quoted message said:

    "Bew" <qw@nonamewhatsover>

    Quoted message said:

    "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    >Subject: Trolls and arguments
    Rich is a cyberstalker and he has been stalking Jan for a long time.


    John

    Quoted message said:

    Bain

    If I'm not mistaken, and I'm not, John Bain politely vanished after making a
    claim that could be tested by the JREF. (www.randi.org) I'd love to hear
    different. But I won't.

    I predict that someone will soon post Bain's randy application for the Randi
    foundation prize.

    Quoted message said:

    le moo

  19. Their actions here prove their dishonesty and deceit. This is a prime
    example of modern medicine on the loose behind a computer anonymously.

    "DRCEEPHD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Trolls and arguments
    From: Orac [email hidden]
    Date: 3/3/04 8:24 PM Eastern Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, "Bew" <qw@nonamewhatsover>

    Quoted message said:

    If you are new to this ng (like me) you will very quickly notice that


    there

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    is a very concentrated attempt to discredit any claims made about the
    effectiveness of alternative cures or approaches to medical problems.

    TRANSLATION: This is not the warm, fuzzy, environment that I

    Quoted message said:

    TRANSLATION: This is not the warm, fuzzy, environment that I was
    expecting when I discovered this newsgroup. I had expected an
    environment where everyone reinforces my altie beliefs, without any
    scientists or skeptics around to question them.


    Explanation: The so called scientists or skeptics that abound here do not
    question in fairness. Their goal is to insult, demean, degrade, and


    otherwise

    Quoted message said:

    cause mayhem such that the medical monopoly continues unabated with its


    goals

    Quoted message said:

    of extracting as much money and power as it can from the supplicants


    called

    Quoted message said:

    patients.

    I am a scientist.

    I am not a member of the church of modern medicine.

    I will not encourage you to try and cut-burn-poison yourself into health.

    Those that encourage you to do so by discouraging any rational discussion


    of

    Quoted message said:

    alternative procedures need to be scourged and crucified as in the


    Passion.

    Quoted message said:


    DrC PhD

  20. Quoted message said:
    Bew' qw@nonamewhatsover said:


    "DEBBEE1023" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    I feel the same way as you do ,
    thanks for your reply :-) , you sound like a very sensible and articulate
    person .

    <Choking>

    You owe me a new keyboard. Now this is a real keeper.

    Someone describing Debbee as "very sensible" and
    "articulate". Lord have mercy.

    Aloha,

    Rich

    Nobody is more delusional than one of Jan or Debbee's Co-Dependent enablers.

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