Triglycerides - Symptoms

"Kamalakar Pasupuleti" <[email hidden]> wrote
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The protien intake is mostly from pulses and dairy
products . The incidence of diabetes and heart disease
are much lower compared to US .

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As is obesity I would imagine, which would explain the
lack of diabetes and heart disease.

-Chad

With respect, the rate, and climbing, of diabetes and
related heart disease etc. is twice that of the US in India;
12% compared to 6%. This change has occured within the last
generation and is most obvious in urban areas, including
those who move from a rural to urban setting. The proportion
of vegetarian food sources has not changed. There is an
association with obesity and less physical activity and a
possible connection with greater access to even more less
expensive refined vegetable oils.

Triglycerides don't have direct symptoms, it is a measure of
certain lipid levels in the blood, which are mainly produced
in the liver by converting glucose products. They have
inderect symptoms over time in more fat storage in the belly
area, a lower hdl lipid level, the good lipid, and are a
risk factor for metabolic syndrom and diabetes. Insulin
resistence causes higher glucose levels for prolonged
periods and contribute to the levels of trigs. The principle
cause is over consumption of carbs and the related sedentary
lifestyle with minimal physical activity. Once the self
promoting process of the metabolic syndrom has started, over
eating of carbs only adds to the problem. At that point one
is left with trying to control it by diet and exercise which
helps glucose levels by reducing carb intake to a level less
then before and/or increasing physical activity. The other
choice is medication, but this tends to be a stop gap
measure which only slows but not stops the progression of
the disorder. In the diabetic this often leads to using
insulin as the final solution. Even then there are major
problems if diet and exercise are not a central every day
major part of the overall approach to making the insulin
work best.

Those who limit use of animal protein have a tough choice
if they elect to decrease carbs and increase protein in
replacement. Losing weight and increasing exercise helps as
they decrease overall calorie requirments and/or use more
carbs in activity. There are many high protein non animal
and/or milk based food products such as those from soy or
wheat glutin and whey from cheese making. They can be used
to maintain calorie level when one's best weight has been
reached and adding monosaturated vegetable fats for the
same purpose.

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What are the general symptoms associated with increased
triglycerides ? In India more than 50 percent are pure
vegeterians , some of them donot even take eggs and 70 - 80
percent of diet consists of rice and wheat .

The protien intake is mostly from pulses and dairy
products . The incidence of diabetes and heart disease are
much lower compared to US .

- kp

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Many thanks Mark .

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On finding my triglycerides were high my doctor

gave me a diet chart which recommend taking egg whites
freely . Is that OK for protien suppliment if I consume 3
egg whites a day and low fat mozarella cheese .I am not
obese and my total cholesterol and ldl are fine , my hdl is
32 . How about almonds and peanuts ?

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> On finding my triglycerides were high my doctor

gave me a diet chart which recommend taking egg whites
freely . Is that OK for protien suppliment if I consume
3 egg whites a day and low fat mozarella cheese .I am
not obese and my total cholesterol and ldl are fine , my
hdl is 32 .

With TC and LDL low you should not be afraid of saturated or
monounsaturated fat or egg yolks - they in fact might
benefit you. Fat generally increases HDL and lowers TG.

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How about almonds and peanuts ?

Almonds are benefical. Walnuts even better 🙂

Opinions are somewhat mixed about peanuts.

Mirek

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I agree to some extent that urbanisation and sedentary

habits have contributed to the increased number of diabetic
cases in India . People are reluctant to walk even small
distances .

BTW , does broccoli has some effect on
triglycerides ?

Another soy product commonly available in India and also
Indian groceries in US is known as ' Soy Wadi ' it is made
of dried soy beens soaked and ground to thick batter and sun
dried as small round balls . It goes well with most of the
vegetables and the poor add it to increase the volume of
meat . Some brands are known as ' nutri nuggets '

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Many thanks Mark .

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> On finding my triglycerides were high my doctor

gave me a diet chart which recommend taking egg whites
freely . Is that OK for protien suppliment if I consume 3
egg whites a day and low fat mozarella cheese .I am not
obese and my total cholesterol and ldl are fine , my hdl
is 32 . How about almonds and peanuts ?

HDL is an independent risk factor (not dependent on TC or
LDL) and it is less than 40 which is not good. Elevated
triglycerides and you haven't mentioned your level is
probably not extremely high otherwise your HDL would be much
lower than that. Extremely high levels can cause
pancreatitis and vis versa.

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HDL is an independent risk factor (not dependent on TC or
LDL) and it is less than 40 which is not good. Elevated
triglycerides and you haven't mentioned your level is
probably not extremely high otherwise your HDL would be
much lower than that. Extremely high levels can cause
pancreatitis and vis versa.

Does it mean elevated TC decrease HDL . Last year my
HDL was 38

and TC 140 , this year HDL 32 and TC 192 .

My doctor says he cannot do anything to increase
HDL as it is a genetic factor , not convincing .

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Eggs are fine, as is cheese as long as one tests after
eating as mentioned before to see the effect on glucose,
cheese has some lactose which is converted into glucose.
Nuts are an excellent source, they also have other nutrient
benefits for a diabetic; also test for glucose impact. By
weight they are higher in calories then egg white and can
make up in part for calorie reduction when replacing carbs.
Any fat source has about twice the calories of carbs and
protein. These foods do little or nothing on trig levels,
except that in substituting them for carbs they might be
less. Carbs are the most direct source of trig levels and
glucose after eating.

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> On finding my triglycerides were high my doctor

gave me a diet chart which recommend taking egg whites
freely . Is that OK for protien suppliment if I consume 3
egg whites a day and low fat mozarella cheese .I am not
obese and my total cholesterol and ldl are fine , my hdl is
32 . How about almonds and peanuts ?

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Do you live in the US? In many grocery stores one finds many
soy based products, some made to simulate common meat
products,ex. some which look like the paddy in a hamburger.
I forgot to mention in the ways to raise hdl, eating fewer
carbs improves hdl usually as trigs are reduced. In your
case from last yyear to this, your trigs went up and your
hdl went down; the usual pattern.

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Another soy product commonly available in India and also
Indian groceries in US is known as ' Soy Wadi ' it is made
of dried soy beens soaked and ground to thick batter and
sun dried as small round balls . It goes well with most of
the vegetables and the poor add it to increase the volume
of meat . Some brands are known as ' nutri nuggets '

Regards ,
- kp

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I have read of some of them, one from a week ago or so in
the news. A couple of months ago there was a news article
about some docs now putting hdl on the second teir of risk
factors, going with ldl as their guide, based on their
clinical experience in their practices. I'm sure you know
the lipid risk factors were defined based on large long term
population studies and correlations assed for each x percent
of lipid the mortality rate for cvd was y. Hopefully, with
some years of statin use under our belts the question can be
asked more directly about intervention.

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Agree with that but there are newer drugs out there that
raise HDL dramatically that he may not be aware of and it
gets back to the original argument of even with the use of
drugs given in raising or lowering lipids, do they reduce
the risk. Are they simply markers which are valid for use
in assessment or can they be manipulated to reduce that
risk? The doctor might be reflecting his own beliefs that
genetics is far more important than simply changing the
numbers. There is evidence for both as would be expected
when many factors are involved and not just lipids. The
lipids are the building blocks used in repair when
something goes wrong within the arteries. If you avoid the
initial lesion it doesn't matter how much lipid is in the
blood. Older individuals who have high lipids and found
without heart disease is a good example or the higher the
lipids the longer the longevity in the elderly is another.
Specifics are hard to come by and for now there is a lot of
generalizations that do have exceptions.