tri /road race???????

I'd back this up. Too many people...too dangerous... too much drafting...
too expensive. I admit that I got caught my one of these packs but what can
you do. I dropped off the back of it before they hit the roundabouts. Sure
enough there was a spill.

Came close to getting wiped on twice by guys on the hill - one guy was in
his big chain ring and top cog then dropped to the small chain ring - then
guess what happened. Chain went crunch and he almost stacked it.

Another guy was looking for the 12/11 down the hill. Chain slipped and
locked up his rear wheel right next to me doing about 60+. New pair of
undies please.

Talked to another guy who avoided a spill on the hill by crossing over the
double white line. Then he got red flagged for doiing it.

Saw plenty of footage on the news (and pics in the paper) - looks like
getting your bike in/out of transition during the race was a traffic
jam!! And a lot of people just seemed to be running around looking for
their bikes, and having no idea...

Doesn't seem like the race to do if you're looking for a PB...

Abby

On 2005-11-07, Jimbo Jones (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

Quoted message said:

Another guy was looking for the 12/11 down the hill. Chain slipped and
locked up his rear wheel right next to me doing about 60+. New pair of
undies please.

And him? Did he fair OK?

You wouldn't think the drivechain would like that kind of stress.

Quoted message said:

Talked to another guy who avoided a spill on the hill by crossing over the
double white line. Then he got red flagged for doiing it.

Of course.

--
TimC
I'm sorry, but all questions must be in the form of a question.
-- pieceoftheuniverse in RHOD

monsterman said:

Did the bike leg at Noosa in a corporate team on Sunday. I did it for
fun and as a gentle start to my comeback from surgery - before I get
into some proper training (including running😄 😄 )

What a friggin joke. 😠 Two things really p*ssed me off. First,
the amount of deliberate drafting. I was passed by any number of
pacelines, some with up to 10 riders - many on the aerobars (not just
the front-runner🙁) . As some of these grupettos went up the road,
more and more "triathletes" grabbed the wheel and jumped on (if you
cant beat em join em / cheats). No motorbike drafting nazis in sight.
On the rare occasion they appeared, they mumbled something like "spread
out" and raced up the road . Honest buggers like me were left to shake
the head and grind on un-assisted.

The other thing that got to me was the sheer number of bikes on the
course. It was often quite unsafe. Heaps of novices with heads down
on the aerobars on a wet road (yes it flogged down at times). Too many
competitors!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Unsafe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (The number of
competitors on the course did at times lead to some unavoidable
drafting - but the stuff I described above did not fit into this
category). They need to reduce numbers in this event.

To say nothing of the 45 mins I waited to get my bike out of transition
after the event. I think '05 was my last year at Noosa tri.

Was there mass carnage coming out of T1 like last year?

A awful moment described on transitions.org.au

"Saw a team rider come an absolute cropper going down the hill, speed
wobbles at about 80-90kph in the rain! Bike ended up 2m in the air and
I’d swear this guys cart wheeled for 100m and then slid for another 50
with a dozen riders swerving to miss both him and the bike. Trip in an
ambo and broken collar bone."

Noosa didn't fit my plans this year, but I intend to be back next year
to take my spot in the back of the pack, overall I think it is a good
weekend.

jh

"monsterman" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Quoted message said:

Did the bike leg at Noosa in a corporate team on Sunday. I did it for
fun and as a gentle start to my comeback from surgery - before I get
into some proper training (including running😄 😄 )

What a friggin joke. 😠 Two things really p*ssed me off. First,
the amount of deliberate drafting. I was passed by any number of
pacelines, some with up to 10 riders - many on the aerobars (not just
the front-runner🙁) . As some of these grupettos went up the road,
more and more "triathletes" grabbed the wheel and jumped on (if you
cant beat em join em / cheats). No motorbike drafting nazis in sight.
On the rare occasion they appeared, they mumbled something like "spread
out" and raced up the road . Honest buggers like me were left to shake
the head and grind on un-assisted.

The other thing that got to me was the sheer number of bikes on the
course. It was often quite unsafe. Heaps of novices with heads down
on the aerobars on a wet road (yes it flogged down at times). Too many
competitors!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Unsafe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (The number of
competitors on the course did at times lead to some unavoidable
drafting - but the stuff I described above did not fit into this
category). They need to reduce numbers in this event.

To say nothing of the 45 mins I waited to get my bike out of transition
after the event. I think '05 was my last year at Noosa tri.

--
monsterman

The two constants that you'll always come across at Noosa:

1. there will be drafting
2. there will be enough people on the roads to make it dangerous

Unfortunately with so many cyclists out on the course, the draft busters
can't do their job efficiently, which leads to large packs going unchecked.

If you listen to Tamyka, the devil puts on this race and in some ways I
agree with her. It seems to the casual observer that the almighty dollar is
more important than safety, which is incredible in this day and age.

Absent Husband said:

Saw plenty of footage on the news (and pics in the paper) - looks like
getting your bike in/out of transition during the race was a traffic
jam!! And a lot of people just seemed to be running around looking for
their bikes, and having no idea...

Doesn't seem like the race to do if you're looking for a PB...

Abby

Done Noosa 3 times, I have to say I love this race, fantastic place and I think we are very lucky, to be able to host an event that attracts such huge numbers, every year I see the drafting and just laugh.

short answer is dont worry about it, you are there to better your own time, those w**kers are just cheating themselves, I have never had a problem getting in and out of transition, the only time I have is because it has been my own fault.

The way they deal with drafting is stupid anyway, the idea of a penalty box is garbage, it is too dangerous to pull a group over, so this is my solution.

People on bikes have video camera, they video the groups, get each number after the race and either add XX minutes to their time or just disqualification, stuff them, they are making the race dangerous for everybody else. They have no argument, because they can be shown the video. And the rules clearly state if you are passed, you have to drop back from the bike that just passed you, with a video camera, they can easily determine if someone is in the process of dropping back and does not get disqaulified.

other than that dont worry about it, but dont not go, its an awesome event, just a bummer I could not get up this year for it.

monsterman said:

What a friggin joke. 😠 Two things really p*ssed me off. First,
the amount of deliberate drafting. I was passed by any number of
pacelines, some with up to 10 riders - many on the aerobars (not just
the front-runner🙁) . As some of these grupettos went up the road,
more and more "triathletes" grabbed the wheel and jumped on (if you
cant beat em join em / cheats). No motorbike drafting nazis in sight.
On the rare occasion they appeared, they mumbled something like "spread
out" and raced up the road . Honest buggers like me were left to shake
the head and grind on un-assisted.

Haven't done Noosa but what [censored] me in the Melbourne tri's is when
packs go past and you can tell by the way they are talking they know
each other which to me sounds like they have planned to ride together. I
can undestand grabbing a wheel when the opportunity presents, I've been
sorely tempted to on occasion but resisted, but to go into a race with
that as a plan is a joke.

DaveB

<snip>

other than that dont worry about it, but dont not go, its an awesome event, just a bummer I could not get up this year for it.[/QUOTE]
I agree Noosa is a fantastic event. Great location, great event / carnival atmosphere etc etc. The bike course is my all-time favourite tri course. It's got everything and is very fast.

But I can't see myself doing it again unless they make some big changes. It's just not worth throwing your bike/self down the road for. Might be time to step up to 1/2 IM events where there the fields are smaller and the course is twice as long - therefore much more spread out.

Quoted message said:

And him? Did he fair OK?

He was fine - he managed to slide it to a nice halt without wiping out himself
or anyone else.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Talked to another guy who avoided a spill on the hill by crossing over the
double white line. Then he got red flagged for doiing it.

Quoted message said:

Of course.

What sort of rules go in crits/road races for this sort of thing? I'd be very
interested. I don't think he mad much option at 80 kph but to go on to the other
side of the road. It is quite safe to do it there - no traffic coming the other
way. (He could have course ollied it, which would have been more spectacular)

It makes me wonder why they can't come up with a route off the Noosa-Tewantin
road that links back to noosa heads without having to head down the hill. I know
for a fat there is a road that links back that way somewhere near the
turnaround. It would give the draft busters more room to ping cheats and avoid
the inevitable spills on the hill.

I enjoy the race, but I think USM are putting pepole at risk with their ever
increasing quota.

My 2c

monsterman said:

<snip>

other than that dont worry about it, but dont not go, its an awesome event, just a bummer I could not get up this year for it.

I agree Noosa is a fantastic event. Great location, great event / carnival atmosphere etc etc. The bike course is my all-time favourite tri course. It's got everything and is very fast.

But I can't see myself doing it again unless they make some big changes. It's just not worth throwing your bike/self down the road for. Might be time to step up to 1/2 IM events where there the fields are smaller and the course is twice as long - therefore much more spread out.[/QUOTE]

You want to try the Canberra half-IM. It has a quite hilly cycle leg - four reasonably challenging climbs wrecks drafters...

Ritch

monsterman said:

Did the bike leg at Noosa in a corporate team on Sunday. I did it for
fun and as a gentle start to my comeback from surgery - before I get
into some proper training (including running😄 😄 )

What a friggin joke. 😠 Two things really p*ssed me off. First,
the amount of deliberate drafting. I was passed by any number of

<snip>

Quoted message said:

The other thing that got to me was the sheer number of bikes on the
course. It was often quite unsafe. Heaps of novices with heads down
on the aerobars on a wet road (yes it flogged down at times). Too many
competitors!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Unsafe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (The number of
competitors on the course did at times lead to some unavoidable
drafting - but the stuff I described above did not fit into this
category). They need to reduce numbers in this event.

To say nothing of the 45 mins I waited to get my bike out of transition
after the event. I think '05 was my last year at Noosa tri.

Welcome to United Sports Marketing, a.k.a. the fsckers who accused me of
theft, after I was the one reporting the "wetsuit exchange" before
transition closed, not a few days later after realising it was a dodgy
deal. Oh and a.k.a. the fsckers who year after year increase the cost of
racing, while giving nothing back to the association, nothing to the tech
officials (be kind to the draft busters, they're doing it at their own
expense, at Coomera they got a sandwich for a change) while putting lots
back into their own pockets and sucking up to the rich pr!cks in the
corporate area. Oh and a.k.a. the fsckers who seem to be incapable of
briefing their volunteers as to what constitutes a reasonable effort.

It is nice to see that someone else has noticed that USM is more about
marketing than about sports. Spread the word and hopefully we can up the
interest in the good groups that run low cost events such as GAR, TWP and
BRRC. (I know LotteBum has a gripe with Two Wheel Promotions but they fsck
up a hell of a lot less than USM and charge a third of the price and
actually provide a service)

There's a reason it rained at Noosa. Someone isn't happy with USM...

Tam

MikeyOz said:

Absent Husband said:

Saw plenty of footage on the news (and pics in the paper) - looks like
getting your bike in/out of transition during the race was a traffic
jam!! And a lot of people just seemed to be running around looking for
their bikes, and having no idea...

Doesn't seem like the race to do if you're looking for a PB...

Abby

Done Noosa 3 times, I have to say I love this race, fantastic place
and I think we are very lucky, to be able to host an event that
attracts such huge numbers, every year I see the drafting and just
laugh.

short answer is dont worry about it, you are there to better your own
time, those w**kers are just cheating themselves, I have never had a
problem getting in and out of transition, the only time I have is
because it has been my own fault.

The way they deal with drafting is stupid anyway, the idea of a penalty
box is garbage, it is too dangerous to pull a group over, so this is my
solution.

People on bikes have video camera, they video the groups, get each
number after the race and either add XX minutes to their time or just
disqualification, stuff them, they are making the race dangerous for
everybody else. They have no argument, because they can be shown the
video. And the rules clearly state if you are passed, you have to drop
back from the bike that just passed you, with a video camera, they can
easily determine if someone is in the process of dropping back and does
not get disqaulified.

other than that dont worry about it, but dont not go, its an awesome
event, just a bummer I could not get up this year for it.

--
MikeyOz

If you think Noosa is awesome, try the Cairns or Port Macquarie race next
year. That'll smarten ya.

Tam

DaveB said:

Haven't done Noosa but what [censored] me in the Melbourne tri's is when packs go
past and you can tell by the way they are talking they know each other which
to me sounds like they have planned to ride together. I can undestand
grabbing a wheel when the opportunity presents, I've been sorely tempted to
on occasion but resisted, but to go into a race with that as a plan is a
joke.

I can't understand grabbing a wheel when the opportunity presents. It's
drafting and it's against the rules. Therefore you're cheating, so you
have no idea if you've done a PB or not. I told a girl off at Coomera for
drafting. When I caught her in the run, she apologised and said she did it
because she got angry at a girl who had drafted her then ditched her. I
said, "Hope you can still be happy with your finish." Nice girl, hope she
felt sick at her sh!t performance.

Tam

On Mon, 7 Nov 2005, monsterman wrote:

<snip>

Quoted message said:

It's just not worth throwing your bike/self down the road for. Might be
time to step up to 1/2 IM events where there the fields are smaller and
the course is twice as long - therefore much more spread out.

Except that you end up doing 2 or more laps of the cycle course. Fewer
people, shorter distance, same skill range... it can still get ugly. Just
don't do Coomera and you should be fine.

Tam

Jimbo Jones said:

Quoted message said:

And him? Did he fair OK?

He was fine - he managed to slide it to a nice halt without wiping out himself
or anyone else.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Talked to another guy who avoided a spill on the hill by crossing over the
double white line. Then he got red flagged for doiing it.

Quoted message said:

Of course.

What sort of rules go in crits/road races for this sort of thing? I'd be very
interested. I don't think he mad much option at 80 kph but to go on to the other
side of the road. It is quite safe to do it there - no traffic coming the other
way. (He could have course ollied it, which would have been more spectacular)

The old white line rule ... in theory anyone crossing the lines in a
road race or crit deliberatly (this is remarkably easy to tell ...)
should get DQ'd and/or fined. *if* a commisaire sees it and *if* the
commisaire chooses to enforce the rules.

It's remarkably inconsistant re its enforcement.

Bleve said:

Jimbo Jones said:

Quoted message said:

And him? Did he fair OK?

He was fine - he managed to slide it to a nice halt without wiping out himself
or anyone else.

Quoted message said:

> Talked to another guy who avoided a spill on the hill by crossing over the
> double white line. Then he got red flagged for doiing it.

Quoted message said:

Of course.

What sort of rules go in crits/road races for this sort of thing? I'd be very
interested. I don't think he mad much option at 80 kph but to go on to the other
side of the road. It is quite safe to do it there - no traffic coming the other
way. (He could have course ollied it, which would have been more spectacular)

The old white line rule ... in theory anyone crossing the lines in a
road race or crit deliberatly (this is remarkably easy to tell ...)
should get DQ'd and/or fined. *if* a commisaire sees it and *if* the
commisaire chooses to enforce the rules.

It's remarkably inconsistant re its enforcement.

I'm pretty sure the TA rules, like the road rules, say it's okay to
cross the lines if it's to avoid an accident.

Tam

monsterman said:

<snip>

Quoted message said:

But I can't see myself doing it again unless they make some big changes.

Monsterman

People have been bailing out of Noosa (and triathlons) for these
reasons and more for years - welcome! There are plenty more to take our
place, so don't feel you have to go back. There's lots great about it,
but it just doesn't suit everyone, and that's fine.

Donga

Donga said:

monsterman said:

<snip>

Quoted message said:

But I can't see myself doing it again unless they make some big changes.

Monsterman

People have been bailing out of Noosa (and triathlons) for these
reasons and more for years - welcome! There are plenty more to take our
place, so don't feel you have to go back. There's lots great about it,
but it just doesn't suit everyone, and that's fine.

Donga

Damn. You said that so much better than I did.

Tam

monsterman said:

<snip>

other than that dont worry about it, but dont not go, its an awesome
event, just a bummer I could not get up this year for it.
I agree Noosa is a fantastic event. Great location, great event /
carnival atmosphere etc etc. The bike course is my all-time favourite
tri course. It's got everything and is very fast.

But I can't see myself doing it again unless they make some big changes.
It's just not worth throwing your bike/self down the road for. Might be
time to step up to 1/2 IM events where there the fields are smaller and
the course is twice as long - therefore much more spread out.

Have a look at www.hellofthewest.com at Goondiwindi, it is 2/80/20 not
too far from Brisbane, great laid back atmosphere (except during the
race of course), dead flat course but that doesn't mean it is easy. It
is well organised and the local community really gets behind the event.
I hope to line up again next February. Oh, and I only saw one drafting
triathcheat.

jh