TREK v. RockyMountain ???

NT Sean Mutchmor said:

Hey everyone,

I'm a XC endurance race type terrain type guy looking to upgrade from
my hardtail Specialized to something a little less painful.
I have narrowed it down to two bike;

1. TREK Liquid 30
2. RockyMountain ETSX 50

I am looking for input for anyone who owns, or has ridden extensively,
either of these two... or better yet both, for some feedback.
The RM is about $1000.00 CDN more than the TREK and so far they seem
pretty comparable, with the componentry being very similar.
Of note, I am a 220 lb hockey player, thighs as thick as my head, so
I need a bike that can handle me.... hence I'm not looking at the
TREK Fuel series.

Many thanks to all that can help.

Sean

Ahhh, JD?

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NT Sean Mutchmor said:

Hey everyone,

I'm a XC endurance race type terrain type guy looking to upgrade from
my hardtail Specialized to something a little less painful.
I have narrowed it down to two bike;

1. TREK Liquid 30
2. RockyMountain ETSX 50

I am looking for input for anyone who owns, or has ridden extensively,
either of these two... or better yet both, for some feedback.
The RM is about $1000.00 CDN more than the TREK and so far they seem
pretty comparable, with the componentry being very similar.
Of note, I am a 220 lb hockey player, thighs as thick as my head, so
I need a bike that can handle me.... hence I'm not looking at the
TREK Fuel series.

Many thanks to all that can help.

Sean

Ahhh, JD?

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Cary, NC
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NT Sean Mutchmor said:

Hey everyone,

I'm a XC endurance race type terrain type guy looking to upgrade from my
hardtail Specialized to something a little less painful.
I have narrowed it down to two bike;

1. TREK Liquid 30
2. RockyMountain ETSX 50

I've been flogging a RM Slayer this year, which is very similar to the
ETSX, and it's been really fun. The pivot bolts loosen a little bit
every now and then but nothing serious; a few drops of locktite would
probably remedy the problem but I've just been too lazy.

I've used it to do just about everything, lots of xc, a couple 24 hour
races (4 person team), some low key freeriding, etc...

NT Sean Mutchmor said:

I don't follow, what does Ahhh, JD mean. I'm out of the loop as a new guy.

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NT Sean Mutchmor said:

Hey everyone,

I'm a XC endurance race type terrain type guy looking to upgrade from
my hardtail Specialized to something a little less painful.
I have narrowed it down to two bike;

1. TREK Liquid 30
2. RockyMountain ETSX 50

I am looking for input for anyone who owns, or has ridden extensively,
either of these two... or better yet both, for some feedback.
The RM is about $1000.00 CDN more than the TREK and so far they seem
pretty comparable, with the componentry being very similar.
Of note, I am a 220 lb hockey player, thighs as thick as my head, so
I need a bike that can handle me.... hence I'm not looking at the
TREK Fuel series.

Many thanks to all that can help.

Sean

Ahhh, JD?

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Oh, you'll understand soon enough. Do a google group search for JD and
Trek. Save yourself now by retitling this RM v. Ventana.

Good luck.

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NT Sean Mutchmor said:

Hey everyone,

I'm a XC endurance race type terrain type guy looking to upgrade from
my hardtail Specialized to something a little less painful.
I have narrowed it down to two bike;

1. TREK Liquid 30
2. RockyMountain ETSX 50

I am looking for input for anyone who owns, or has ridden extensively,
either of these two... or better yet both, for some feedback.
The RM is about $1000.00 CDN more than the TREK and so far they seem
pretty comparable, with the componentry being very similar.
Of note, I am a 220 lb hockey player, thighs as thick as my head, so
I need a bike that can handle me.... hence I'm not looking at the
TREK Fuel series.

Many thanks to all that can help.

Sean

Ahhh, JD?

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Cary, NC
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Quoted message said:

Hey everyone,

I'm a XC endurance race type terrain type guy looking to upgrade from my
hardtail Specialized to something a little less painful.
I have narrowed it down to two bike;

1. TREK Liquid 30
2. RockyMountain ETSX 50

I am looking for input for anyone who owns, or has ridden extensively,
either of these two... or better yet both, for some feedback.
The RM is about $1000.00 CDN more than the TREK and so far they seem

pretty

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comparable, with the componentry being very similar.
Of note, I am a 220 lb hockey player, thighs as thick as my head, so I

need

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a bike that can handle me.... hence I'm not looking at the TREK Fuel

series.

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Many thanks to all that can help.

Sean

You don't want the Liquid 30..you'd want either the 25 or 50.
I ride a Trek Liquid 25 and weigh just under 200 pounds ( but was 237 when I
bought it). The bike is tough enough for the weight, and the suspension
prevents very much wasted energy from the extra inertial mass a big muscular
rider has to control --not an issue for stickman types like JD.
Dan V

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You don't want the Liquid 30..you'd want either the 25 or 50.
I ride a Trek Liquid 25 and weigh just under 200 pounds ( but was 237 when
I
bought it). The bike is tough enough for the weight, and the suspension
prevents very much wasted energy from the extra inertial mass a big
muscular
rider has to control --not an issue for stickman types like JD.
Dan V

JD who? you mean the AMB Nazi??

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You don't want the Liquid 30..you'd want either the 25 or 50.
I ride a Trek Liquid 25 and weigh just under 200 pounds ( but was 237

when

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I
bought it). The bike is tough enough for the weight, and the suspension
prevents very much wasted energy from the extra inertial mass a big
muscular
rider has to control --not an issue for stickman types like JD.
Dan V

JD who? you mean the AMB Nazi??

That would seem to be his dream. Luckily only a handful of losers with "JD
envy" seem to follow his goosesteps.

Dan V

Dan Volker said:

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>
You don't want the Liquid 30..you'd want either the 25 or 50.
I ride a Trek Liquid 25 and weigh just under 200 pounds ( but was
237 when I
bought it). The bike is tough enough for the weight, and the
suspension prevents very much wasted energy from the extra inertial
mass a big muscular
rider has to control --not an issue for stickman types like JD.
Dan V

JD who? you mean the AMB Nazi??

That would seem to be his dream. Luckily only a handful of losers
with "JD envy" seem to follow his goosesteps.

Dan V

You're funny. Your absolute obsession with the guy is hysterical. You had
your ass handed too you months ago in the SS thread, but still keep taking
the bait. Oviously you are incapable of just putting him in your KF, so it
seems you derive something from your usenet masochism.

I'n not sure why you do it. Frankly I don't care, but it's sure fun to
watch. Over to you Dan....

Tom

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Dan Vo2lker said:

That would seem to be his dream. Luckily only a handful of losers
with "JD envy" seem to follow his goosesteps.

Dan V

You're funny. Your absolute obsession with the guy is hysterical. You had
your ass handed too you months ago in the SS thread, but still keep taking
the bait. Oviously you are incapable of just putting him in your KF, so it
seems you derive something from your usenet masochism.

I'n not sure why you do it. Frankly I don't care, but it's sure fun to
watch. Over to you Dan....

Tom

Funny, but Vo2lker's obsessions just might be based on envy. However,
I do agree that it's fun to watch.

JD

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>>
> You don't want the Liquid 30..you'd want either the 25 or 50.
> I ride a Trek Liquid 25 and weigh just under 200 pounds ( but was
> 237 when I
> bought it). The bike is tough enough for the weight, and the
> suspension prevents very much wasted energy from the extra inertial
> mass a big muscular
> rider has to control --not an issue for stickman types like JD.
> Dan V
>
>

JD who? you mean the AMB Nazi??

That would seem to be his dream. Luckily only a handful of losers
with "JD envy" seem to follow his goosesteps.

Dan V

You're funny. Your absolute obsession with the guy is hysterical. You

had

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your ass handed too you months ago in the SS thread, but still keep taking
the bait. Oviously you are incapable of just putting him in your KF, so

it

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seems you derive something from your usenet masochism.

I'n not sure why you do it. Frankly I don't care, but it's sure fun to
watch. Over to you Dan....

Tom

Tommy boy,
I don't see agreeing that some guy who lives and trains at altitude, is
going to be better suited to high altitude hill climbing than I am, is
having my ass handed to me. Physically JD is still a wimp, as I expect you
are ( as one of his butt sniffers). To me, mountain biking is about having
fun, and I would not want to be a pencil necked geek, just so that I could
out-ride a few people on a SS or any other bike.

JD and his butt sniffing followers can make all the bold posts they want on
the NG, where it does not mean a thing. In person, where it would mean
something, the talk would be very different. You can make all the big, bold
posts that you want about how you would talk the same, but deep down you
know this is [censored].
I enjoyed over a decade of discussions on rec.scuba , followed by many
actual meetings in person, and this proved the point with a much more
diverse, and much larger newsgroup than AMB. You and the other little butt
sniffers can pretend to be anything and anyone you want with your Internet
posts, but when you meet people in real life, the tendency is to revert to
real life roles and behaviors.

Dan V

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Dan Volker <[email hidden]> wrote:
> "TBF" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>>
>>
>>>>
>>> You don't want the Liquid 30..you'd want either the 25 or 50.
>>> I ride a Trek Liquid 25 and weigh just under 200 pounds ( but was
>>> 237 when I
>>> bought it). The bike is tough enough for the weight, and the
>>> suspension prevents very much wasted energy from the extra
>>> inertial mass a big muscular
>>> rider has to control --not an issue for stickman types like JD.
>>> Dan V
>>>
>>>
>>
>> JD who? you mean the AMB Nazi??
>
> That would seem to be his dream. Luckily only a handful of losers
> with "JD envy" seem to follow his goosesteps.
>
> Dan V

You're funny. Your absolute obsession with the guy is hysterical.
You had your ass handed too you months ago in the SS thread, but
still keep taking the bait. Oviously you are incapable of just
putting him in your KF, so it seems you derive something from your
usenet masochism.

I'n not sure why you do it. Frankly I don't care, but it's sure fun
to watch. Over to you Dan....

Tom

Tommy boy,
I don't see agreeing that some guy who lives and trains at altitude,
is going to be better suited to high altitude hill climbing than I
am, is having my ass handed to me. Physically JD is still a wimp, as
I expect you are ( as one of his butt sniffers). To me, mountain
biking is about having fun, and I would not want to be a pencil
necked geek, just so that I could out-ride a few people on a SS or
any other bike.

JD and his butt sniffing followers can make all the bold posts they
want on the NG, where it does not mean a thing. In person, where it
would mean something, the talk would be very different. You can make
all the big, bold posts that you want about how you would talk the
same, but deep down you know this is [censored].
I enjoyed over a decade of discussions on rec.scuba , followed by many
actual meetings in person, and this proved the point with a much more
diverse, and much larger newsgroup than AMB. You and the other
little butt sniffers can pretend to be anything and anyone you want
with your Internet posts, but when you meet people in real life, the
tendency is to revert to real life roles and behaviors.

Dan V

so why are you here?

I like mountain biking as my favorite sport. I think the majority of people
who read AMB are most likely pretty good people---and as with most NG's on
usenet, a small minority does a great deal of the posting ( while the
majority does a lot of reading). AMB has a few butt sniffing jerks that
think they can dictate what's cool and what's not----I'm not here for these
wimps to like me.
Dan V

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>
>>>
>> You don't want the Liquid 30..you'd want either the 25 or 50.
>> I ride a Trek Liquid 25 and weigh just under 200 pounds ( but was
>> 237 when I
>> bought it). The bike is tough enough for the weight, and the
>> suspension prevents very much wasted energy from the extra
>> inertial mass a big muscular
>> rider has to control --not an issue for stickman types like JD.
>> Dan V
>>
>>
>
> JD who? you mean the AMB Nazi??

That would seem to be his dream. Luckily only a handful of losers
with "JD envy" seem to follow his goosesteps.

Dan V

You're funny. Your absolute obsession with the guy is hysterical.
You had your ass handed too you months ago in the SS thread, but
still keep taking the bait. Oviously you are incapable of just
putting him in your KF, so it seems you derive something from your
usenet masochism.

I'n not sure why you do it. Frankly I don't care, but it's sure fun
to watch. Over to you Dan....

Tom

Tommy boy,
I don't see agreeing that some guy who lives and trains at altitude,
is going to be better suited to high altitude hill climbing than I
am, is having my ass handed to me. Physically JD is still a wimp, as
I expect you are ( as one of his butt sniffers). To me, mountain
biking is about having fun, and I would not want to be a pencil
necked geek, just so that I could out-ride a few people on a SS or
any other bike.

JD and his butt sniffing followers can make all the bold posts they
want on the NG, where it does not mean a thing. In person, where it
would mean something, the talk would be very different. You can make
all the big, bold posts that you want about how you would talk the
same, but deep down you know this is [censored].
I enjoyed over a decade of discussions on rec.scuba , followed by many
actual meetings in person, and this proved the point with a much more
diverse, and much larger newsgroup than AMB. You and the other
little butt sniffers can pretend to be anything and anyone you want
with your Internet posts, but when you meet people in real life, the
tendency is to revert to real life roles and behaviors.

Dan V

so why are you here?

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Tommy boy,
I don't see agreeing that some guy who lives and trains at altitude, is
going to be better suited to high altitude hill climbing than I am, is
having my ass handed to me. Physically JD is still a wimp, as I expect you
are ( as one of his butt sniffers). To me, mountain biking is about
having
fun, and I would not want to be a pencil necked geek, just so that I
could
out-ride a few people on a SS or any other bike.

JD and his butt sniffing followers can make all the bold posts they want
on
the NG, where it does not mean a thing. In person, where it would mean
something, the talk would be very different. You can make all the big,
bold
posts that you want about how you would talk the same, but deep down you
know this is [censored].
I enjoyed over a decade of discussions on rec.scuba , followed by many
actual meetings in person, and this proved the point with a much more
diverse, and much larger newsgroup than AMB. You and the other little
butt
sniffers can pretend to be anything and anyone you want with your Internet
posts, but when you meet people in real life, the tendency is to revert to
real life roles and behaviors.

Dan V

Alright, can't we all just get along now?

Dan Volker said:

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so why are you here?

I like mountain biking as my favorite sport. I think the majority of
people who read AMB are most likely pretty good people---and as with
most NG's on usenet, a small minority does a great deal of the
posting ( while the majority does a lot of reading). AMB has a few
butt sniffing jerks that think they can dictate what's cool and
what's not----I'm not here for these wimps to like me.

And you're succeeding!

Bill "Dan, Dan, Dan..." S.

Dan Volker said:

Tommy boy,
I don't see agreeing that some guy who lives and trains at altitude, is
going to be better suited to high altitude hill climbing than I am, is
having my ass handed to me. Physically JD is still a wimp, as I expect you
are ( as one of his butt sniffers). To me, mountain biking is about having
fun, and I would not want to be a pencil necked geek, just so that I could
out-ride a few people on a SS or any other bike.

JD and his butt sniffing followers can make all the bold posts they want on
the NG, where it does not mean a thing. In person, where it would mean
something, the talk would be very different. You can make all the big, bold
posts that you want about how you would talk the same, but deep down you
know this is [censored].

What cracks me up is Dan's repeated behavior when
his idiocy, inconsistencies, assumptions, lack of
MTB experience, and downright goofiness is held up
in front of him.

He always resorts to the "if this were real life,
you wouldn't say that to me because I would kick
your ass" lameness.

It's hilarious!

Almost as hilarious as his assumptions about JD's
size/appearance/ability to defend himself if Danny
ever tried to kick his ass, because JD has hurt
his feelings so badly.

Danny, you need to get some help for your
overwhelming feelings of inadequacy.

Perhaps after you've completed a few rounds/years
of therapy you'll feel good enough about yourself
to look back and laugh at your posts.

Like so many people in AMB are doing right now.

Dan Volker said:

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Tommy boy,

(snip rantings of Dan "the hooked mackeral" V)

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Dan V

Man, that was almost *too* easy!

Tom

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Dan Volker said:

Tommy boy,
I don't see agreeing that some guy who lives and trains at altitude, is
going to be better suited to high altitude hill climbing than I am, is
having my ass handed to me. Physically JD is still a wimp, as I expect

you

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are ( as one of his butt sniffers). To me, mountain biking is about

having

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fun, and I would not want to be a pencil necked geek, just so that I

could

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out-ride a few people on a SS or any other bike.

JD and his butt sniffing followers can make all the bold posts they want

on

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the NG, where it does not mean a thing. In person, where it would mean
something, the talk would be very different. You can make all the big,

bold

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posts that you want about how you would talk the same, but deep down you
know this is [censored].

What cracks me up is Dan's repeated behavior when
his idiocy, inconsistencies, assumptions, lack of
MTB experience, and downright goofiness is held up
in front of him.

He always resorts to the "if this were real life,
you wouldn't say that to me because I would kick
your ass" lameness.

It's hilarious!

Almost as hilarious as his assumptions about JD's
size/appearance/ability to defend himself if Danny
ever tried to kick his ass, because JD has hurt
his feelings so badly.

Danny, you need to get some help for your
overwhelming feelings of inadequacy.

Perhaps after you've completed a few rounds/years
of therapy you'll feel good enough about yourself
to look back and laugh at your posts.

Like so many people in AMB are doing right now.

Pete, while butt sniffers like you can pretend anything you want online, it
amazes me you really can't admit the difference between posting here and
how people act in real life. I can't wait till the day comes when I get the
big laugh off of actually meeting one of you butt sniffers in real life,
and enjoying the polite and reserved behavior, that would be absolutely
certain to follow from you :-)

Dan V

Dan Volker said:

"p e t e f a g e r l i n" <[email hidden]> wrote

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What cracks me up is Dan's repeated behavior when
his idiocy, inconsistencies, assumptions, lack of
MTB experience, and downright goofiness is held up
in front of him.

He always resorts to the "if this were real life,
you wouldn't say that to me because I would kick
your ass" lameness.

It's hilarious!

Almost as hilarious as his assumptions about JD's
size/appearance/ability to defend himself if Danny
ever tried to kick his ass, because JD has hurt
his feelings so badly.

Danny, you need to get some help for your
overwhelming feelings of inadequacy.

Perhaps after you've completed a few rounds/years
of therapy you'll feel good enough about yourself
to look back and laugh at your posts.

Like so many people in AMB are doing right now.

Pete, while butt sniffers like you can pretend anything you want online, it
amazes me you really can't admit the difference between posting here and
how people act in real life. I can't wait till the day comes when I get the
big laugh off of actually meeting one of you butt sniffers in real life,
and enjoying the polite and reserved behavior, that would be absolutely
certain to follow from you :-)

See the bit about "assumptions" above Danny. You
certainly are consistent.

I'm even more irreverent in person. Especially
around buffoons like you.