Trek bikes

"Laz" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:[email hidden]:

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Just wondering, with all the high profile coverage, the money available for
R&D, how do Trek road bike frames compare to the Pinarello, re-branded
Litespeeds etc. of the peleton ?

Red bikes are the fastest.

Laz said:

Quoted message said:

Just wondering, with all the high profile coverage, the money available for
R&D, how do Trek road bike frames compare to the Pinarello, re-branded
Litespeeds etc. of the peleton ?

Tim Mullin said:

Red bikes are the fastest.

But you can match pink ones to your lipstick (what happened to the telekom
pink this year, they seem to be riding the tcr0 instead).

Laz said:

Just wondering, with all the high profile coverage, the money available for
R&D, how do Trek road bike frames compare to the Pinarello, re-branded
Litespeeds etc. of the peleton ?

Laz

They're as good as any. Probably better, given Trek has been using
(and refining) the same OCLV process for their carbon frames for many
years unlike some of those who just discovered carbon.

Laz said:

Just wondering, with all the high profile coverage, the money available for
R&D, how do Trek road bike frames compare to the Pinarello, re-branded
Litespeeds etc. of the peleton ?

Laz

They are the best. Lance rides one. You should get one too.

Not a bad ride, Lighter then most but how important is a few ounces unless
you are Lance. Horrible finish quality. I have owned three and have switched
to another brand because of poor finish on all three 5200, 5900, Madone 5.9
first production year.

On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 20:23:03 -0400, "Larry" <[email hidden]>

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Horrible finish quality.

What is "finish quality" and how does it matter for racing?

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I have owned three

Funny. Complaining about an attribute of a bike that I guess you can
see and still buying three.....

JT

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"John Forrest Tomlinson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 20:23:03 -0400, "Larry" <[email hidden]>

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Horrible finish quality.

What is "finish quality" and how does it matter for racing?

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I have owned three

Funny. Complaining about an attribute of a bike that I guess you can
see and still buying three.....

I was just down buying a part for my C-40. Nice finish but not very good
engineering for a bike this expensive. The part I bought fails enough that
it is kept in stock in Colnago shops.

There was a Trek Madone 5.2 in that shop and it looked MUCH better to my eye
than the C-40. The paint wasn't quite as fancy but the engineering was
plainly ahead of Colnago. And I don't understand what he means by "finish
quality" either.

To tell the truth I was looking for a Madone when I stumbled across the
C-40. I LIKE IT, but if I hadn't gotten a good deal on it I would have
bought a Trek without question.

Now, to repeat - my steel Basso Loto circa 1999 and 21 lbs is the best bike
I own by enough margin to be able to notice it every time I ride it. And I'm
comparing it to a ti bike, an al bike and a couple of steel bikes all high
end.

I got the Basso frame and fork for $275 on the internet and bought a used
Chorus group off of the internet as well. If I only could house one bike it
would be that Basso.

Remember that I'm a short-legged 6'4" and 195 lber riding a 62 cm. I don't
know if Basso has the little bikes figured out this well though back in the
80's short people seemed to prefer Bassos.

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Now, to repeat - my steel Basso Loto circa 1999 and 21 lbs is the best

bike

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I own by enough margin to be able to notice it every time I ride it. And

I'm

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comparing it to a ti bike, an al bike and a couple of steel bikes all high
end.

I got the Basso frame and fork for $275 on the internet and bought a used
Chorus group off of the internet as well. If I only could house one bike

it

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would be that Basso.

Remember that I'm a short-legged 6'4" and 195 lber riding a 62 cm. I don't
know if Basso has the little bikes figured out this well though back in

the

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80's short people seemed to prefer Bassos.

That's ironic; I'm a shorter guy and still mourning the passing of my Basso
steed last year. a Basso Gap. A bit heavier, but a very certain solid ride.

Laz

"Andrew F Martin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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They are the best. Lance rides one. You should get one too.

Would love to...IF I had the money....

Laz

Laz says...

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Just wondering, with all the high profile coverage, the money available for
R&D, how do Trek road bike frames compare to the Pinarello, re-branded
Litespeeds etc. of the peleton ?

I've been patiently shopping for a frame that will do everything well, with
emphasis on climbing and descending. Therefore, I expect to give up some
comfort due to stiffness. My current bike is an 11 year old Look KG176. This
is the frame Lemond rode on his last Tour win, so it's heavier by about 1.5
pounds or so compared to current bikes and is less stiff. I love it and plan to
keep it - I upgraded to a HSC-3 fork and that helped the handling on downhills
significantly. Alas, I digress.

I've test-ridden quite a few bikes over the last year and have liked many of
them in the context of getting better climbing performance. I could easily live
with the Scott CR1 Team, the Lightspeed Gisallo, the Look 585 and many of the
others of that price range. It's trivial to feel the benefits of the stiffness.
My everyday wheels are about a half pound lighter than those I'm test riding and
my carbon wheels are over a pound lighter. The new frames perform so well that
they partially bridge the gap on my current bike, even with its lighter wheels.
And my current bike is just a fraction of a pound heavier than the new bikes, so
total bike weight isn't a huge factor.

I've been test riding Treks on and off for many years and never felt all that
motivated to buy one till this year. I can't remember what it's called, but
their top of the line road bike (Madone 5900 SL?) is a really fine ride. It
might not feel quite as stiff as bikes like the Look 585 in the total ride
picture, but when you stand up on the Trek, it has a great, stiff-feeling drive
train. It's a tough choice to make, because for a few more ounces and another
thousand or so, you can get a custom-fitted Ottrott ST... I spent a too-short
bit of test ride on one of those puppies and it was my favorite of the Ti frames
I've been on (yes, I know it has lots of carbon). So the bottom line to me is
to figure out how much to spend and which fit I like best. But I'm salivating
to think of knocking off a pound-plus of frame weight and having the additional
stiffness. I'll probably knock off a second per thousand vertical! Look out,
Lance, you're toast.

The reason I bought 3 was because I could not believe a company like Trek
could continue to produce such a poor finish. I believed the dealer that the
problems were behind them. The original post was aksing for a comparison,
there was no question about race quality. By poor finish I mean dirt under
the paint, stickers put on poorly, clear coat peeling off, bumps not gound
down. It's not just me, read road bike review for the Madone about half the
posts complain about finish. I know that has noting to do with ride quality
but a $5000.00 and up bike should have no problems.

On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 19:47:46 -0400, "Larry" <[email hidden]>

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The reason I bought 3 was because I could not believe a company like Trek
could continue to produce such a poor finish. I believed the dealer that the
problems were behind them. The original post was aksing for a comparison,
there was no question about race quality. By poor finish I mean dirt under
the paint, stickers put on poorly, clear coat peeling off, bumps not gound
down.

Why did you take the product home if it had such problems?

JT

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John Forrest Tomlinson said:

On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 19:47:46 -0400, "Larry" <[email hidden]>

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The reason I bought 3 was because I could not believe a company like Trek
could continue to produce such a poor finish. I believed the dealer that the
problems were behind them. The original post was aksing for a comparison,
there was no question about race quality. By poor finish I mean dirt under
the paint, stickers put on poorly, clear coat peeling off, bumps not gound
down.

Why did you take the product home if it had such problems?

JT

Justin Lewis is his cousin?

"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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The reason I bought 3 was because I could not believe a company like Trek
could continue to produce such a poor finish. I believed the dealer that

the

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problems were behind them. The original post was aksing for a comparison,
there was no question about race quality. By poor finish I mean dirt under
the paint, stickers put on poorly, clear coat peeling off, bumps not gound
down. It's not just me, read road bike review for the Madone about half

the

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posts complain about finish. I know that has noting to do with ride

quality

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but a $5000.00 and up bike should have no problems.

you are 100% correct on that Larry. I am soooooo finicky about my bikes- I
couriered for 4 years and every night I would spend and hour or two wiping
grime etc. from my bike and when I took it out in the morning, it was
sparkling. My bikes were the most expensive things I owned and the most
beautiful things too.

A bike needs it's beauty to inspire

Laz

I am 100% Sure. Just go to read this.
http://roadbikereview.com/cat/latest-bikes/road-bike/Trek/PRD_290758_5668crx.aspx

I took delivery of the bike because I am good friends with the shop owner
and ride with the group twice a week. I also only keep bikes for about 2
years so it's not the end of the world in my case.